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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 08:33 AM
In addition to the ABB, most folks here have been big fans of The Mule and/or the DTB. It's hard not to be a big fan and to appreciate the artistry of Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks.

As both The Mule and the DTB went on "hiatus" there was (and still is in the case of Mule) lots of discussion as to whether they will rejoin. Of course, there is also lots of discussion about their new projects: The Warren Haynes Band and the Tedeschi Trucks Band.

I see near unanimous support by Warren fans for the WHB, but very divided opinions on the part of Derek fans for the TTB. It's kind of surprising, since this site tends to be highly positive about everything the ABB and its members do.

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 08:35 AM
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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 09:01 AM
And then there are those Warren fans who have expressed positive feedback on his new album who like it more than Gov't Mule.

The situation with the dTb vs. TTB is more akin to a favorite band changing lead singers which invariably changes their style somewhat (or at least it used to before the concept of the song-alike lead singer came along). So of course, not everyone is going to be on board. I've loved the TTB shows I've seen and I was a big dTb fan.

I'm also in the camp of liking Warren's new solo album more than Govt Mule, and I've seen most every incarnation of Mule since 1994.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 09:51 AM
One problem with the TTB is that I am not a fan of Susan Tedeschi. In fact, musically, I can't stand her. She is what I hate about modern blues: lots of shouting and histronics but no, as I hear it, substance.

So, off the bat, TTB is flawed for me.

As for Warren, the man is brilliant and I'll follow him down any road. At times, there's a little too much Warren for me to take, so I'll let him be for a while. But his projects are consistently great.

Besides, the Mule was Warren, Woody and Matt. The spirit of that has been gone since the Deep End era, so I'm fine with laying that band to rest for a while.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 10:16 AM
I saw TTB a few weeks ago here in Charlotte. They were fantastic - big thumbs up! I can't imagine how anyone would not consider it a very good night seeing one of their shows.

One of the things I enjoyed most vs DTB was a more balanced show. Derek carried most every tune in DTB, and you expected one amazing solo after another. TTB has such a balance of talent that others can be showcased, offering more texture and options during the night.

Some may relish a Derek solo in every tune, but the balance with this band makes the ones he takes stand out all the more. To have a horn players that he can share solos with, do call and response with, makes for a more enjoyable night, IMHO.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 10:24 AM
I support both of these new ventures and I've supported past ventures these 2 have been involved in. I will be live-in-person supporting WHB in a week and wish TTB was headed to Middle Earth so I could do some live-in-person support of that venture, too. I still love the Mule and DTB but I'm really enjoying what I've heard so far of WHB and TTB, too, and wish them all well.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 10:35 AM
I have tickets to see TTB this summer, having seen DTB in the past. My respect for Warren has grown by leaps and bounds over the years. I like the Mule, although it is near the "jamming" edge of my musical tastes. I will certainly check out his new venture, also.
 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 11:04 AM
I think the answer here is that although the Warren Haynes Band is playing different material with a new band, it's still going to feature Warren's unmistakable mark as a singer and guitarist. Derek's group is more of a departure from his previous work since, as Tim mentioned, it's a new lead singer, and for Allman fans who are probably more geared towards the guitar work, less giant epic guitar explosions by Derek means less interest for some people (and more interest for others).
 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 11:09 AM
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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 11:20 AM
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I think the answer here is that although the Warren Haynes Band is playing different material with a new band, it's still going to feature Warren's unmistakable mark as a singer and guitarist. Derek's group is more of a departure from his previous work since, as Tim mentioned, it's a new lead singer, and for Allman fans who are probably more geared towards the guitar work, less giant epic guitar explosions by Derek means less interest for some people (and more interest for others).


Bingo. The WHB is still Warren Haynes on lead vocals and guitar. Just the style is a bit different than the Mule and of course they are not going to do the same kind of cover songs. I do think most of the Haynesians I know strongly desire the Mule to come back as soon as possible. But most of us are highly supportive of this album. The TTB is really quite different from the DTB so it is easier to understand why those fans might feel differently. Plus there is I think more of a sense that this is a one off project with Warren while DTB fans are getting the feeling that the DTB is not coming back anytime soon.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 12:05 PM
I saw Tedeschi Trucks Band at the Highline Ballroom last month and they blew me away! Will see Warren's new band tonight and I am sure they will blow me away too. I love their new album and can't wait for the new TTB album. It's all good to me, lots of new top notch music.

Alan, I think the difference between the fan bases is that Warren fans know the Mule will be back better than ever next year. DTB fans have no reassurance that they will ever reform although I think after a few years both Derek and Susan will yearn to revisit their old situations. If Gov't Mule fans thought the WHB was replacing Mule for good I think there would be a similar response.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 12:26 PM
I support both but not having DTB around is tough! I thought they were working so hard and hitting their stride when they took this break. As a fan of the band its just hard to change gears like that when u r riding the wave with them. Love the Mule too but I really like the WHB as well. I guess DTB and the Tedeshi/Trucks thing is just very different and I really like the DTB.

All and all I will support whatever these guys do.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 12:36 PM
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it's a new lead singer, and for Allman fans who are probably more geared towards the guitar work, less giant epic guitar explosions by Derek means less interest for some people (and more interest for others).



Totally disagree with that. The fact is that more ABB fans would prefer the music played by the TTb than DTB. It is rather obvious given that the TTB is much more blues based than the DTB. Also the shows that I have seen have had plenty of epic guitar explosions by Derek so the packed houses sure seemed interested to me. Plus everyone on stage sure seems to be having fun. Just Oteil and Kofi together are worth price of admission. The TTB is much more accessible musically to the masses and will do very well both from album sales and concert attendance numbers. Seeing as both Susan and Derek were nominated for a Grammy, it is a no brainer to assume the combined efforts will rule the genre. People got mad at me and told me that i was dead wrong and the DTB would return. How's that going?

The same has been debated here with me about Warren and the Mule. The Mule's return and the timeline of that will depend on Warren's success with the WHB. It is simple business. Warren is both bands. If he sells better as the WHB both from a disc sale and attendance standpoint then he makes more money and plays to more people doing the same thing. Why some are so resistant and argue that logic is beyond me? If you created two entities doing the same thing and one was much more lucrative, which would you do? I will laugh at those saying he would walk away from himself. Warren may end up selling only to his current fan base so it may make no difference. But from conversation with him and for all the obvious reasons, that is not what he is hoping for. People think it is scratching an itch because of interviews and statements. Warren has no reason to state anything about the Mule and is smart enough to leave all options open. He can resurrect the Mule at any time so if he has success, don't get upset when that year passes by. He could have scratched that itch within the Mule. It didn't stop the reggae flow that turned many of us off. The truth is that it was time for a break and to give the career boost another try. Not like the Mule hasn't been varied musically and shared the stage with many artists. That is not what he chose to do.

Try telling your wife that you are going to go sleep with another woman for a year because you have an urge to scratch an itch. See how that works for you.

The Mule will return when Warren wants it to and that will depend on his success level. Personally I think he deserves all that he gets as he has always been kind and friendly to me and has provided me with hours of musical pleasure.

I could comment of things about how the Mule would ensure a return of the lineup after the hiatus but really is Warren and Matt's business. Just ask yourself if the others are still on the payroll and whether or not you think they need an income.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 12:54 PM
Saw TTB News Years eve at the Florida Theater. All I can say is run fast, don't walk to get your tickets when they are at a venue near you. They are about as smoking hot of a band as i have ever seen, truly amazing.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:26 PM
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I saw Tedeschi Trucks Band at the Highline Ballroom last month and they blew me away! Will see Warren's new band tonight and I am sure they will blow me away too. I love their new album and can't wait for the new TTB album. It's all good to me, lots of new top notch music.

Alan, I think the difference between the fan bases is that Warren fans know the Mule will be back better than ever next year. DTB fans have no reassurance that they will ever reform although I think after a few years both Derek and Susan will yearn to revisit their old situations. If Gov't Mule fans thought the WHB was replacing Mule for good I think there would be a similar response.


I agree though as I said above we are getting the same Warren dominance in this band as in the Mule. Of course we want the sound, style and setlists of the Mule back but at least this way we are still seeing the full Warren. It seems some of the real DTB miss the stretching he did with the DTB. I agree that I very much liked the TTB and I already love the WHB and the new album.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:33 PM
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Totally disagree with that. The fact is that more ABB fans would prefer the music played by the TTb than DTB. It is rather obvious given that the TTB is much more blues based than the DTB. Also the shows that I have seen have had plenty of epic guitar explosions by Derek so the packed houses sure seemed interested to me. Plus everyone on stage sure seems to be having fun. Just Oteil and Kofi together are worth price of admission. The TTB is much more accessible musically to the masses and will do very well both from album sales and concert attendance numbers. Seeing as both Susan and Derek were nominated for a Grammy, it is a no brainer to assume the combined efforts will rule the genre. People got mad at me and told me that i was dead wrong and the DTB would return. How's that going?

The same has been debated here with me about Warren and the Mule. The Mule's return and the timeline of that will depend on Warren's success with the WHB. It is simple business. Warren is both bands. If he sells better as the WHB both from a disc sale and attendance standpoint then he makes more money and plays to more people doing the same thing. Why some are so resistant and argue that logic is beyond me? If you created two entities doing the same thing and one was much more lucrative, which would you do? I will laugh at those saying he would walk away from himself. Warren may end up selling only to his current fan base so it may make no difference. But from conversation with him and for all the obvious reasons, that is not what he is hoping for. People think it is scratching an itch because of interviews and statements. Warren has no reason to state anything about the Mule and is smart enough to leave all options open. He can resurrect the Mule at any time so if he has success, don't get upset when that year passes by. He could have scratched that itch within the Mule. It didn't stop the reggae flow that turned many of us off. The truth is that it was time for a break and to give the career boost another try. Not like the Mule hasn't been varied musically and shared the stage with many artists. That is not what he chose to do.

Try telling your wife that you are going to go sleep with another woman for a year because you have an urge to scratch an itch. See how that works for you.

The Mule will return when Warren wants it to and that will depend on his success level. Personally I think he deserves all that he gets as he has always been kind and friendly to me and has provided me with hours of musical pleasure.

I could comment of things about how the Mule would ensure a return of the lineup after the hiatus but really is Warren and Matt's business. Just ask yourself if the others are still on the payroll and whether or not you think they need an income.


I am not going to dispute what you are saying but I have a question for you. Why exactly do you think this current band has more potential for commercial success than Gov't Mule? Frankly, in my opinion, there is not such a big audience for this kind of music. ANd there is just as big a market for the kind of hard rock the Mule does, which is to say neither genre is likely to spawn major commercial hits. Warren doesn't have the sort of looks or image that will appeal to teenage girls (my daughter aside) Yes if somehow Warren became a household name and his income shot up massively from this venture I doubt he would throw it over in a single year to return to the Mule. But the only point I was making and I still think its true is that the PURPOSE of this venture was not to see if a different setup could make Warren more commercially succesful. And Frankly more could be done, much more, to market the Mule to a wider audience of rock fans. This album may sell a bit better than some of the Mule albums because it is on Stax and is getting a lot of publicity. But in the end I see Warren basically playing to the same audience. Possibly this venture may get him some new fans who will stay with him when he goes back to the Mule. Just my opinion. We all have them.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:38 PM
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Of course we want the sound, style and setlists of the Mule back


But which era would that be?

The sound, style and setlists changed a few times with the Mule. I see the Mule having 3.5 or 4 different eras or stages.

Original Mule
New School with Chuck and rotating bassists
The Louis/Hess era
The Louis/Jorgen era

The last two are fairly similar which is where I would give it perhaps only a .5 difference.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:16 PM
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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:26 PM
Let's enjoy everything these 2 guys do...we are absolutely spoiled to have such great guitar players in my favorite band (ABB) I have liked everything they have done..enjoy the ride .

 

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Of course we want the sound, style and setlists of the Mule back


But which era would that be?

The sound, style and setlists changed a few times with the Mule. I see the Mule having 3.5 or 4 different eras or stages.

Original Mule
New School with Chuck and rotating bassists
The Louis/Hess era
The Louis/Jorgen era

The last two are fairly similar which is where I would give it perhaps only a .5 difference.


Even though the sound is a little different than in the Woody era, they are still playing that music which is what I meant.

 

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Of course we want the sound, style and setlists of the Mule back


But which era would that be?

The sound, style and setlists changed a few times with the Mule. I see the Mule having 3.5 or 4 different eras or stages.

Original Mule
New School with Chuck and rotating bassists
The Louis/Hess era
The Louis/Jorgen era

The last two are fairly similar which is where I would give it perhaps only a .5 difference.


Even though the sound is a little different than in the Woody era, they are still playing that music which is what I meant.


I would argue that it was a lot different...... just saying

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:38 PM
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One problem with the TTB is that I am not a fan of Susan Tedeschi. In fact, musically, I can't stand her. She is what I hate about modern blues: lots of shouting and histronics but no, as I hear it, substance.


Lots of shouting and histronics from Susan? I don't hear that at all. She's not Beth Hart or Dana Fuchs who are in your face singers.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:44 PM
Susan Tedeschi is great,one of the great female singers out their!!!
 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 03:36 PM
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Why exactly do you think this current band has more potential for commercial success than Gov't Mule?


Easy question.

The first being that it focuses on vocals which appeals to far more people on the planet than 1/2 hour solos. Govt Mule backing vocals have been about who is willing to go near a mic. The WHB has many with awesome vocal skills. Doesn't mean better than the Mule, just different.

Second for the above mentioned reason it is much more female friendly. I have been to countless Mule shows and all the women combined from all those shows would not even fill one single night. In fact the Mule has the ability to drive women to the concession area and parking lots because they don't fully know what they are going to see. Many friends have brought their wives or girlfriends along against my advice and to date only one stayed for the full show and said they were OK but too loud. Would not come next time. This is no knock on all the beautiful Mule loving women here or at shows but they are obviously a rarity. Your numbers have increased over the years but still a tiny minority at shows.

Third - Warren has been saving some material obviously.

Fourth - There is a much higher possibility for some radio play with this sound, band and the way they are marketing it as R&B. R&B stations add new material. The Mule although not old falls under classic rock and classic rock adds little. The artists that they play to death don't get a chance for new music to be played. If they don't get added by programmers than a band like Govt Mule does not stand a chance and is the reason they have never cracked radio even though they have tried repeatedly.

I'll let you add a couple.

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This album may sell a bit better than some of the Mule albums because it is on Stax and is getting a lot of publicity.


Pretty big one and kind of answers your own question, doesn't it? The Mule has a hard time even getting a deal and the record companies have progressively gotten smaller and no one re-news. The reason being that they don't sell at that well and sales are not increasing with newer releases..

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Frankly more could be done, much more, to market the Mule to a wider audience of rock fans


Another good reason and I agree. But they have tried. Couldn't crack radio for above reason. Used ABB connections and reputation which got them going but also put them in that classic rock category. Warren has played with the ABB, Lesh, The Dead and pretty well every band he could. That reached a large audience and the Mule picked up slightly at the gate but not what they hoped for. If after all that exposure, the "rock" audience didn't leap then it won't. Warren also ran the risk of over exposure and we see some mention that they are suffering from Warren over kill. Sometimes it is good to go back to the drawing board and see what might happen. Some would call it an itch.

I could go on but believe I proved my point. Will it happen? We'll see but I guarentee that Warren hopes it does and so do I. We will see a version of the Mule again so don't worry. Just don't line up for tickets tomorrow. Who knows, maybe the next time we see the Mule maybe there will be some ldies there?

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 03:40 PM
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