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  posted on 5/11/2011 at 10:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, Saddam's family and Bin Laden had it coming. But when I think back about how this all played out, it seems as though the assassinations are more symbolic, rather than strategic. Were the deaths of Saddam and his sons meaningful in the strategy of winning the war in Iraq? Yes and no, but it sure as hell sent a message to the world that we're not messing around. Then the video of Saddam's hanging came out. Am I crazy for thinking that it wasn't necessary to see the guy being hung? Or maybe it was necessary to show the world to send the right message. I guess my point is, do we assassinate these criminals because it's necessary to win the "war on terror", or are we just sending messages to not mess with us?
 
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  posted on 5/11/2011 at 10:27 PM
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Don't get me wrong, Saddam's family and Bin Laden had it coming. But when I think back about how this all played out, it seems as though the assassinations are more symbolic, rather than strategic. Were the deaths of Saddam and his sons meaningful in the strategy of winning the war in Iraq? Yes and no, but it sure as hell sent a message to the world that we're not messing around. Then the video of Saddam's hanging came out. Am I crazy for thinking that it wasn't necessary to see the guy being hung? Or maybe it was necessary to show the world to send the right message. I guess my point is, do we assassinate these criminals because it's necessary to win the "war on terror", or are we just sending messages to not mess with us?


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  posted on 5/11/2011 at 11:04 PM
Agree or not, I think what Obama did sent a message that needed to be sent....you can run, but you can't hide!

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 07:39 AM
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Agree or not, I think what Obama did sent a message that needed to be sent....you can run, but you can't hide!


No actually that message was sent by George Bush I know your favorite guy, not mine either but he did send that message before Obama... and the intell on Osama started 4 years ago on GB's watch so it was pretty much a joint effort.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 11:36 AM
As much as people want to give credit to Bush....all that fool did was walk hard and carry a little stick.....Obama got the job done. Bush could have done it had he not been so focused on proving he was better than his daddy in Iraq. And by the way....torture had nothing to do with the intel that ultimately led to the information as to where bin Laden was hiding.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 11:56 AM

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 12:46 PM
LMAO!!! Love the Tom Tomorrow! I've long suspected that GWB had some secret super powers ...

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:04 PM
I'm not sure about the whole "send a message that we will hunt them down and kill them" thing. Aren't radical Islamists ready to die for the cause anyway?

That doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be hunted down, just not sure on the deterrent part.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:14 PM
In "W"'s defense ... you accept that Bin Laden is dead without any proof ... but you need no proof to believe that the Bush administation had anything to do with intelligence gathered than might have helped to find Bin Laden?

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 01:46 PM
Personally I've listened to the rhetoric on both sides and I'm still of the opinion that torture had nothing to do with the intelligence ultimately leading to bin Laden. Since the people I've been listening to are not the ones trying to convince us torture is good, I tend to believe them. I'm not falling for any attempts at revisionist history. As for believing bin Laden is dead......so far he hasn't shown up to prove he's not and his son is mighty ticked off about his death so I figure his son might know.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:12 PM
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Personally I've listened to the rhetoric on both sides and I'm still of the opinion that torture had nothing to do with the intelligence ultimately leading to bin Laden. Since the people I've been listening to are not the ones trying to convince us torture is good, I tend to believe them. I'm not falling for any attempts at revisionist history. As for believing bin Laden is dead......so far he hasn't shown up to prove he's not and his son is mighty ticked off about his death so I figure his son might know.


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A former head of counterterrorism at the CIA, who was investigated last year by the Justice Department for the destruction of videos showing senior al-Qaeda officials being interrogated, says the harsh questioning of terrorism suspects produced the information that eventually led to Osama bin Laden’s death.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden /#ixzz1MANDpXpt

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:49 PM
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Personally I've listened to the rhetoric on both sides and I'm still of the opinion that torture had nothing to do with the intelligence ultimately leading to bin Laden. Since the people I've been listening to are not the ones trying to convince us torture is good, I tend to believe them. I'm not falling for any attempts at revisionist history. As for believing bin Laden is dead......so far he hasn't shown up to prove he's not and his son is mighty ticked off about his death so I figure his son might know.


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A former head of counterterrorism at the CIA, who was investigated last year by the Justice Department for the destruction of videos showing senior al-Qaeda officials being interrogated, says the harsh questioning of terrorism suspects produced the information that eventually led to Osama bin Laden’s death.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden /#ixzz1MANDpXpt


Oh yes. That settles that! LOL

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 02:53 PM
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Personally I've listened to the rhetoric on both sides and I'm still of the opinion that torture had nothing to do with the intelligence ultimately leading to bin Laden. Since the people I've been listening to are not the ones trying to convince us torture is good, I tend to believe them. I'm not falling for any attempts at revisionist history. As for believing bin Laden is dead......so far he hasn't shown up to prove he's not and his son is mighty ticked off about his death so I figure his son might know.


Meanwhile;


A former head of counterterrorism at the CIA, who was investigated last year by the Justice Department for the destruction of videos showing senior al-Qaeda officials being interrogated, says the harsh questioning of terrorism suspects produced the information that eventually led to Osama bin Laden’s death.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden /#ixzz1MANDpXpt


Oh yes. That settles that! LOL


Who said it settled anything but there is contradictory evidence out there by people who were a lot closer to the situation, sorry if it's wrong to point that out. It comes down to who you choose to believe.

 

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Personally I've listened to the rhetoric on both sides and I'm still of the opinion that torture had nothing to do with the intelligence ultimately leading to bin Laden. Since the people I've been listening to are not the ones trying to convince us torture is good, I tend to believe them. I'm not falling for any attempts at revisionist history. As for believing bin Laden is dead......so far he hasn't shown up to prove he's not and his son is mighty ticked off about his death so I figure his son might know.


Meanwhile;


A former head of counterterrorism at the CIA, who was investigated last year by the Justice Department for the destruction of videos showing senior al-Qaeda officials being interrogated, says the harsh questioning of terrorism suspects produced the information that eventually led to Osama bin Laden’s death.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden /#ixzz1MANDpXpt


Oh yes. That settles that! LOL


Who said it settled anything but there is contradictory evidence out there by people who were a lot closer to the situation, sorry if it's wrong to point that out. It comes down to who you choose to believe.



It's not wrong to point it out, never said it was. Sheesus. Chillax.

Since you posted this in two places I'll respond further in the other thread since it is specifically about torture.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 03:26 PM
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Agree or not, I think what Obama did sent a message that needed to be sent....you can run, but you can't hide!


No actually that message was sent by George Bush I know your favorite guy, not mine either but he did send that message before Obama... and the intell on Osama started 4 years ago on GB's watch so it was pretty much a joint effort.


And around and around we go!!

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Bailouts? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Economy? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Domestic affairs? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Foreign affairs? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

"Seriously? How long are you liberals going to blame everything on Bush? Obama is the President now! When is he going to start acting like one?"

Wars? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Military actions? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Budgets and deficits? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

The killing of Osama Bin Laden? "We must give President Bush credit for the fine work he did during his Administration. He deserves credit, for his efforts in this area clearly set the stage for and directly impacted future events."


 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 06:28 PM
I think that says it all. I've never seen so many people rush to the podium to take credit for something they couldn't do when they had the chance.....anyone with half an ounce of intelligence can see right through it....how funny.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2011 at 07:35 PM
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Bailouts? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Bush started it, Obama continued it.

Economy? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Bush’s policies played their part in adding to the problems, what have Obama’s policies done to help?

Domestic affairs? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Well that kinda is how the game is played, Bush did his part but it's Obama's baby now.

Foreign affairs? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Again, Bush played his part, so what has Obama done to help the stuation….

"Seriously? How long are you liberals going to blame everything on Bush? Obama is the President now! When is he going to start acting like one?"

Blaming everything on Bush is/was the standard line in Obama‘s speeches for the first two years (yes there is some sarcasm there). As for the rest you know you have to do something rather then just give speeches, (example) remember that laser like focus on unemployment Obama spoke of after the Nov. elections and 10 or more times prior to that? Just saying the man isn’t doing a whole lot to change that perception.

Wars? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"


Do I really need to elaborate on this one………


Military actions? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"

Again, do I really need to elaborate on this one………

Budgets and deficits? "That's on Obama, he's the President now, Bush is gone, it's all on Obama!"


Bush certainly added to our woes, but i'd say Obama has had a bigger negitive, By the way how long has it been since we had a budget in place?


The killing of Osama Bin Laden? "We must give President Bush credit for the fine work he did during his Administration. He deserves credit, for his efforts in this area clearly set the stage for and directly impacted future events."


Yes we should, because just like everything that has been listed they both have played their parts, like it or not



 

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