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  posted on 12/23/2003 at 03:43 PM
before we even get into it, this isn't a dickey must get back with the band thing. i was just curious on how mr. betts makes out on the allman brothers band. this has been a banner year for the group and does dickey see any of it?
i would expect that he doesn't get anything from hittin the note, but how about the stoney brook or atlanta discs?
he tours alot and from what i understand he does well there but should the allmans play
pegasus or high falls, does mr.betts recieve any compensation?
another question is while ramblin' man is played alot on classic radio, does dickey get a pie of the royalty pie or was there a management screwing back in the seventies?

it has been a great year for the band and i hope that it carries on into the coming yrs.

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  posted on 12/23/2003 at 03:48 PM
Dickey gets paid. I am not going into all kinds of details though...

 

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  posted on 12/23/2003 at 04:53 PM
From what I hear, Dickey gets paid everytime Gregg or Butch fart, play live, or record...as long as they call themselves, "The Allman Brothers Band".

And on this one I think the judge has," hit the note", sort of speak.

Without Dickey Betts the ABB would have ceased to exist after the tragedies of 1971-1972.

 

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  posted on 12/23/2003 at 05:03 PM
...and does the reverse hold true? Do the ABB get something everytime Dickey plays Jessica?
 

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  posted on 12/23/2003 at 05:53 PM
Interesting point Jonesy, maybe the royalties depend on who wrote the song...(?)
I know there were some lawsuits tossed around a few years back but I've heard nothing lately, both the ABB and DB&GS are doing quite well on their own and each have their own loyal following, with both websites coexisting here, looking for good things from both bands in 2004

 

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  posted on 12/24/2003 at 12:40 AM
I'm not sure it is true but as I understand it the owners of ABB are Gregg, Dickey, Jaimoe & Butch. I would assume that Duane and Berry's estate also receive income. If so then the final decision regarding Dickey's involvement rested on the other three. Assuming this is true and they did not buy him out then he gets his share of just about everything. Again if true then Warren, Oteil, Derek, Marc, Jack, Jimmy etc are technically employees and get paid a salary for the live shows. I would imagine there are bonus's based on reaching certain concert dollars. I heard how much Derek made his first year with the band but would rather not say since I can't confirm. If so it was pretty good for the first year.

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  posted on 12/24/2003 at 02:06 AM
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Interesting point Jonesy, maybe the royalties depend on who wrote the song...(?)


Nope. It is who owns the rights. Be careful about what you sign. Ask John Fogerty.

 

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  posted on 12/24/2003 at 04:38 PM
Dickey's been bought out of the ABB itself I think, they were in court for a while and that was probably the settlement, But he's getting compensation, or has been compensated. And yes, it's totally fair that he gets paid money from a band he's not in. Wish I could arrange that.

 

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  posted on 12/24/2003 at 04:46 PM
My lawyer has advised me not to comment on that matter at this time.

 

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  posted on 12/25/2003 at 09:57 AM
nolo contendo....ala my boy spiro??
 

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  posted on 12/25/2003 at 10:21 AM
Warren is now an equal partner from what I understand...so from the point he signed on going forward he would be given a partners share of record sales, DVD sales, concert profits and so forth. The band obviously needed to make it worth while for Warren to remain in the band. He really does deserve it as well, I mean the guy has poured his blood and guts into The ABB for almost 12 years now. That doesn't mean he would "necessarily" get a cut from album sales recorded prior to him joining the ABB...And as Marley pointed out most-likely Dickey has already been compensated or bought-out so to speak, so he might be out of the loop now on some things that would generate profits. Dickey certainly is not gonna get paid if The ABB "plays" Liz Reed at a gig as someone suggested...that is not how it works.

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  posted on 12/25/2003 at 12:37 PM
The question still remains as to what Dickey thinks of Hittin the Note. I remember when Pink Floyd released Momentary Lapse of Reason and Roger Waters cut it up in the periodicals. Knowing that Dickey is better than that I still can't help but wonder what he thinks of HTN.
 

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  posted on 12/25/2003 at 12:48 PM
I'd bet Warren's a partner too, probably getting percentages from HTN and the DVD and upcoming new material and from tours... given the amount of the workload he takes (and also given his billing on CDs and stuff, just after Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe), he's definitely earning his keep.

I think when people ask Dickey what he thinks of anything the ABB is doing, he usually says he doesn't pay attention.

 

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  posted on 12/26/2003 at 10:08 AM
I read an interview with him (can't recall where) and the interviewer asked his opinion of HTN. He said he hadn't listened to it, which doesn't surprise me.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2003 at 10:23 AM
Right, I do believe that may have been in a Relix mag Lee.
It would seem that if common sense were a part of things (which it often isn't in the legal system), Dickey, and Duane's and Berry's estates would receive income from the archive releases -- I too would be curious if Dickey was bought out -- and I agree with EddieP, Warren deserves to be a full partner, he's been as indispensable in recent years as Dickey was after 1971 and 72 (Gregg, Berry Butch & Jaimoe were equally indispensable in this time period, needless to say).
Beyond that, like Marley I blame Cliff -- and am also looking forward hugely to GS's New Year's radio show in Syracuse -- and wondering, like SariC if that Temple of Rock Show is ever going to air again...and hoping that both bands (especially Dickey's, GS deserves ABB-like props, they're both so awesome) have a beautiful new year of hittin' the note.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2003 at 11:12 AM
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From what I hear, Dickey gets paid everytime Gregg or Butch fart, play live, or record...as long as they call themselves, "The Allman Brothers Band".

And on this one I think the judge has," hit the note", sort of speak.

Without Dickey Betts the ABB would have ceased to exist after the tragedies of 1971-1972.


Apologize to Butch, that was waaaaay outa line.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2003 at 05:25 PM
There are two types of royalties, a performance one and a publishing rights one, and depending who owns the rights to the publishing, is whether or not the actual writer gets paid, while the performance is tied to contracts. Michael Jackson made a pretty penny on the Beatles number one, while the boys did okay with their performance royalty. The Brothers according to a Butch post, do not have much control over the performances of their early recorded music, but Dickey & Gregg own the rights to the music itself . So when Red lobster used the music of Revival, you can bet your lobster bib that Dickey or his legal beagles gave permission. While the use of Jessica in field of Dreams was surprise even to Butch when he saw the movie- but I'm sure his performance royalty of 1 fourth of 12.5% of what ever the producers of that movie paid, made it to his accountand dickey recieved money for writing it. Also the writers are protected with ASCAP or BMI and each published work is given a rating like a stock value, it can be changed by different factors which are based on use. All published writers get a share of the overall pie(fees from radio, venues etc) So the more I.E Liz Reed does get played(radio concerts etc) the more Dickey could benefit from it- especially if his publishing company were to renegotiate the terms with ASCAP or BMI.

I think the continuance of the Brothers as a group helps sell the old catalog which in turn benefits ex embers such as Dickey and estates of the Late Duane and Berry. With the new found acceptance by the critics ,hopefully sales of their extensive catalog will come around again and get to the million a year statues that LS enjoyed for sometime. A win-win for everyone- Im sure.

I have no idea of the Warren deal, but its clear he gets a fair share of the writing credit(again publishing is where the real money is) and now producing credit as well(producers have their own performance arrangement) Warren is on Nine of the HTN songs for writing royalties!!.. It appears he has some control and in some cases royalities for writers are up to 10% of sales and as much or if not more than the performance royality, reason everyone hated Don Henley for hogging the songs, the writers can make twice what the Band makes for the record.

I really doubt well see a another Betts composition getting on a newly recorded release from this band, which should say it say it loud and clear what the new deal is with him.
Is there a Betts composition on the Beacon dvd.?..















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  posted on 1/3/2004 at 10:38 AM
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I really doubt well see a another Betts composition getting on a newly recorded release from this band, which should say it say it loud and clear what the new deal is with him.
Is there a Betts composition on the Beacon dvd.?..


Not certain how this makes a definitive statement about any deal. Obviously Dickey no longer has or wants any artistic input but this is different then the financials.

According to Relix there are 3 partners in the ABB and one of them is not Warren Haynes. This is the status as of the release of HTN. Still Warren, as noted, is getting substantial royalties.

As to song inclusion it is interesting that the NYT this week critiqued Warren for doing too many covers and on the DVD he does I think only one. There are 3 covers all together. What may be more illuminating is if they do the live deal with CC and those cds really sell what the new song lists will look like.

 

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