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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 11:33 AM
I was having this discussion with my friend the other day. We are both huge fans, I more so then he is, however he made a comment how ABB shows have become too predictable the past few years and if he had a choice to see the ABB or Mule 10 times he would choose Mule all 10 times.
I agree that these days I prefer a Mule show but definitely wouldn’t take Mule 10 out of 10 times over the ABB.
I also agree with him that an Allmans show has become sort of predictable, granted during the Beacon run you hear a few obscure tunes here and there but it’s clear they aren’t trying to think outside of their comfort zones all too often. I even sort of feel that the solo jam structure to the tunes have turned sort of predictable.
Just want to see what other people have to say. I went to the show on Saturday night and have to admit I was kind of, well bored… and it really got me thinking about my friends comment.
I have seen the ABB now over 100 times, the majority of the shows being with the most recent line up. They are easily my favorite band of all time, but with ticket prices increasing year after year I am starting to wonder myself if the shows are really worth going to anymore.
I went to the Jaimoe’s Jazzzs band show at the Iridium after the ABB finished Saturday night and have to admit I enjoyed that show much more then the Beacon show…. And it was only $25!
Between Mule, Jaimoe’s Jazz band, Greggs solo stuff DTB and now ST+DT these guys clearly have the new creative music spark in them… I just wonder why that isn’t being reflected with the Allman Brothers music more.

This in no means is a bash towards the band, I love the Allman’s… always have and always will. Just curious to see what other people think about this topic.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:13 PM
If a show gets too jammy, it loses it's luster, I love to see musicians strut their stuff, I do not need the lyrical magic as much as others, but when the overall crowd buzz loses it's "bu", it will bleed the room. Other than the guests I always felt if you caught the right 3 beacon shows, you caught the run, I like to see everyone solo. Gregg can go deeper into the Laidback/One More Try material as all can focus on their individual cuts, I'd love to see the band go deeper and crank out Just Ain't Easy among others or bring a little more solo stuff up from the archives. I've been listening to Derek's '92 tape demo and it's got some good stuff there. I've been concert preppin', Going to see Gregg, Derek & Susan, Magic Slim, & John Mayall in the next 2 months, My car rides seem quick no matter the distance.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:39 PM
actually,i think this year has been one of the best runs in recent history...great choice of songs...spirited playing and a great vibe all around.....
 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:40 PM
Everyone has different tastes. For me I would go to the Allman Brothers show 10 of 10, mule is ok but they just do not excite me. I have heard every Allman Brothers show over 1,000 they still do it for me they are tight and magical. They could play twinkle twinkle little star and I would love it. I certainly do not find them predictable. My one big drawback with them is that they do not dig deeper into their previously recorded and released material so in that they are lazy and staying in somewhat of a comfort zone. Win, Lose, or Draw, Temptation is A Gun, Get on With Your Life, Loaded Dice, Bad Rain, Knobody Knows, Pegasus, Just Ain't Easy the list goes on and on. Every year I hope they dust a few off were lucky if we get one.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:44 PM
Predictable?……I personally don’t think so. This is the show I went to last week. If this is predictable, I will take it every time and twice on Sundays.

1. You Don't Love Me

2. Midnight Rider

3. Who to Believe

4. Woman Across The River

5. Old Before My Time

6. River's Gonna Rise

7. Kind Of Bird

8. Down Along The Cove

with Donald Fagan, keyboards
9. Shake Down Street

with Donald Fagan, keys; Lincoln Schleifer, bass
Set II
10. Ain't Wastin' Time No More

11. Statesboro Blues

12. Desdemona

13. Born Under a Bad Sign

with Brad Whitford, guitar; Chad Smith drums & Bobby Allende percussion
14. The Same Thing

with Brad Whitford, guitar; Chad Smith drums
15. No One To Run With

Encore
16. Southbound

with Leo Nocentelli, guitar; Brad Whitford, guitar & Lincoln Schleifer, bass


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikhn1_wsOGc

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:48 PM
I can predict (with great accuracy) that I will enjoy any ABB show that I attend!

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 12:50 PM
Nope. This a a seven piece band that gets together for short periods annually and all things considered they do an amazing job with the time they have to rehearse. I went to both shows on the weekend and outside of Dreams being played twice, and the country cowboys they were two of the best shows that I have ever seen. Would I like to hear Pegasus and a few deeper cuts, sure but this guy will not complain. Its a miricle they still play together at all. My 2 cents

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:04 PM
Guess the Beacon run is a bad time to have asked the question. I would have to agree with a previous poster that you catch the 3 right Beacon shows you basically saw the entire run.

The discussion came up after the 3/12 show and that show was supposed to be predictable one.
I think i started wondering after Saturday's show. Wasn't a big fan of it, and I seem to enjoy the ABB subgroups shows a lot more these days (Mule/Jamoe/DTB) etc.

I do like seeing other people's points of view.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:06 PM
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I went to the show on Saturday night and have to admit I was kind of, well bored


Can't say I've ever been bored at an ABB show.

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I have seen the ABB now over 100 times


Whoa..A hundred times? You might be suffering from burnout (too much time spent
focusing on one band).. Hopefully you listen to a wide variety of music and not just
a steady diet of the ABB and no one else.. What keeps the ABB fresh for me is that
I listen to a large, diverse amount of music (jazz, country, blues, reggae, punk,
soul, metal, you name it) in addition to the ABB.

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Jaimoe’s Jazzzs band


Love those guys. Being in the Northeast, where they play most of their
gigs, I get to see them quite a bit. Seeing Jaimoe perform in a different
context outside the ABB has been a real treat.

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:14 PM
Bring back "Gambler's Roll" !!!
MULE!!!

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:19 PM
Hmmn. How about some new material to shake things up?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:24 PM
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Bring back "Gambler's Roll" !!!



Didn't they just do this last week?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:27 PM
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Hmmn. How about some new material to shake things up?


Where's that .gif of the guy beating the expired horse?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:34 PM
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Bring back "Gambler's Roll" !!!



Didn't they just do this last week?


I think that is kind of the predictablity problem. You have songs being played in this Beacon run like Gamblers Roll, Good Clean fun, please call home, Sailin across or End of the line and they will play those songs maybe twice a year total. So if you happened to be at one of those shows where one of those gems were played you are lucky.
I just wish those kind of songs are in their rotation more often and replacing your midnight rider, melissa, statesboro, one way out, woman across, the same thing, type songs.

I think thats the beauty of Mule. You have absolutely no idea what you are going to get on any night.
Looking at a ABB set I can see they didnt play Whippin post or dreams or Melissa or Woman across the River in 3 nights so I am definitely getting that tonight and so on and so fourth.

and I dont think "new material" is the issue, they have a ton of songs that they can bring back and they choose not to. I can't believe familiarity is the issue because if they can play it once a year they can bring it out more often... and lets be serious none of those guys on stage need many rehearsals. They are all musical savants.

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:35 PM
Dam missed it! going tom. and sat. maybe they will do it again? Gambler's roll on the 15th.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:36 PM
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Hmmn. How about some new material to shake things up?


not exactly new "new" material, but how many times have you seen them play Down Along the Cove or River's Gonna Rise or Spanish Key or Shakedown Street or Bag End (this one actually might be new)?

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:48 PM
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I think that is kind of the predictablity problem. You have songs being played in this Beacon run like Gamblers Roll, Good Clean fun, please call home, Sailin across or End of the line and they will play those songs maybe twice a year total. So if you happened to be at one of those shows where one of those gems were played you are lucky.
I just wish those kind of songs are in their rotation more often and replacing your midnight rider, melissa, statesboro, one way out, woman across, the same thing, type songs.

I think thats the beauty of Mule. You have absolutely no idea what you are going to get on any night.
Looking at a ABB set I can see they didnt play Whippin post or dreams or Melissa or Woman across the River in 3 nights so I am definitely getting that tonight and so on and so fourth.

and I dont think "new material" is the issue, they have a ton of songs that they can bring back and they choose not to. I can't believe familiarity is the issue because if they can play it once a year they can bring it out more often... and lets be serious none of those guys on stage need many rehearsals. They are all musical savants.


I would say there is some truth to this. However, they are playing at such a level, that they could play the same song every night and I would not care. They are just smoking right now.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 01:58 PM
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I went to the show on Saturday night and have to admit I was kind of, well bored… and it really got me thinking about my friends comment.
I had a similar conversation with someone outside the Beacon on Saturday night. Perhaps that was you.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 02:09 PM
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I went to the show on Saturday night and have to admit I was kind of, well bored… and it really got me thinking about my friends comment.
I had a similar conversation with someone outside the Beacon on Saturday night. Perhaps that was you.


unfortunately not Brendan. I jolted pretty quickly to get to the Iridium... didn't speak with anybody after the show.
Good to see I wasn't alone on the opinion. For a second I thought I was starting to lose it.

 

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I went to the show on Saturday night and have to admit I was kind of, well bored… and it really got me thinking about my friends comment.
I had a similar conversation with someone outside the Beacon on Saturday night. Perhaps that was you.


unfortunately not Brendan. I jolted pretty quickly to get to the Iridium... didn't speak with anybody after the show.
Good to see I wasn't alone on the opinion. For a second I thought I was starting to lose it.
It was actually during the show, out back. I thought there were some absolutely smoking moments and some really sleepy moments. Still, ABB at the Beacon. Makes me happy!

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 03:06 PM
The ABB is under intense scrutiny by its fans, no?
This is a band that has been around for over 40 years -- with a hiatus or two, and various change in personnel. Many fans attend multiple shows each year -- and at Beacon-time, see numerous shows back-to-back, and now with Moogis, e-v-er-y show is available, not just for one-time viewing, but repeated watching via VOD.

This site offers a forum for discussion and dissection …. opinions and reviews. No detail goes unnoticed, accounts are kept: shows, songs, solos, guests, guitars, etc. All good, but with such exhaustive analysis and attention, one could easily diminish the 'freshness' of a much newer band.

These guys play a huge repertoire of songs each season and it is necessary for them to include the tried and true as well as the less familiar, of course. The core group of fans who are serial attendees are not all/the only the folks who go to see their shows.

And, as has been mentioned numerous times … almost to a man they have other bands, which means in recent years they spend much less time together as a unit and all have other musical outlets for their energy and creativity, as well. So -- it is not surprising that new material is rare.

That said, I cannot imagine another band playing as well as they do, still able to thrill an audience with their musicianship and their intensity and the emotion they evoke after 42 years on the road -- still selling out shows to an audience not limited to those who are of the age of the founding members. Someone pointed out to me -- that would be like a band formed in 1929 filling the Beacon for 3 weeks in 1971, the year of the Fillmore concerts. It is easy to get jaded and yes, I suppose bored when you see soooooo many shows by the same group, especially if you are a long time fan. Who knows how many more years they will continue … probably not that many. My guess is, that once the ABB is no longer playing, even the 'slow', 'dull' nights will be sorely missed.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 03:15 PM
I think it is great what they have done on this Beacon run..bringing back tunes like sailin,kind of bird,,worried down,old before my time,high cost,egypt and bag end..and they are even playing warrens rivers gonna rise..not many bands out their are going to have different setlists every night but jbpats0823 I can side with you on this one if they would just play 1 or 2 new originals it would be awesome..I personally don't care to listen to a setlist that was played on the LAFE night,I have heard these songs so much.How hard for these guys to rehearse a couple of new originals in a week and play them?..I know butch does not want to make another album...but if gregg wants to he has earned the right to work on another album with the brothers he does not need butchs consent..I wish derek,warren ,oteil and gregg would lock themselves up in a studio for 1 month and let the magic flow.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 03:39 PM
And ... I'm not saying I wouldn't LIKE new material ....
 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 03:40 PM
Are the Allman's becoming too predictable?

I don't think so, this is what happens when any band plays as many shows in just so many nights at the same venue. Your experiences are too close together....so quit whinning, geez...what we fans here in SoCal wouldn't give for back to back nights in an awesome little theater like the beacon..

You guys are spoiled, plain and simple.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2011 at 03:44 PM
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,kind of bird,


This tune is off the map good. They played it the other night when I went. They tore it apart. I haven't heard it played live in a very long time. I was psyched to hear it.

 
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