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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 10:34 AM
I mean come on guys, let's step into the 21st century shall we? Everything is on the internet. There is no justification for keeping your shows off. You have rightfully monetized your music in every way possible, but the tapes are out there, you allowed them to be made, so it's silly to erect barriers that prevent them from getting into the hands of dedicated fans who just want to enjoy the music. It's not like you guys are actively making new albums or putting out new DVD's or having trouble selling out the limited number of dates the band plays these days.

Not everyone has the time, the inclination or the contacts to engage in a 1:1 hard copy exchange through the mail. I mean, what is the major issue here? Are you afraid that too many people might be exposed to your music and become fans? So, as a dedicated fan who has seen probably 30 shows over the last 5 years and will continue for as long as the train keeps rolling, I am begging you to reconsider this onerous, outdated policy.

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

 
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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 06:24 PM
cmon folks, 100 views and not one response pro or con? does anyone out there agree with me on this, or am i just nuts?
 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 06:35 PM
8-track tapes?
 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 06:51 PM
OK, the major issue is the band sells live recordings on the Hittin' the Note website.
Those folks have bills and want to make a living as well, and they do a helluva job supporting the ABB.

Why would they want to dilute that by giving the okey doke to torrenting, because you don't feel like posting a couple e-mails on a section of the band's own trading Forum?

2 e-mails (1 minute, 2 minutes tops) going to the post office (or walking to the mailbox) and sending a B&P, thats about a 5-10 minute effort....

I dunno man, doesn't seem to onerous to me for an ABB show that someone elsed taped.


 

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ALOT of bands sell live recordings of every show, and STILL allow you to download their AUD recordings online for free!

This one thing I hate about the ABB!

 

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OK, the major issue is the band sells live recordings on the Hittin' the Note website.
Those folks have bills and want to make a living as well, and they do a helluva job supporting the ABB.

Why would they want to dilute that by giving the okey doke to torrenting, because you don't feel like posting a couple e-mails on a section of the band's own trading Forum?

2 e-mails (1 minute, 2 minutes tops) going to the post office (or walking to the mailbox) and sending a B&P, thats about a 5-10 minute effort....

I dunno man, doesn't seem to onerous to me for an ABB show that someone elsed taped.


First off, I don't understand why any fan would defend this policy, or what those who are against electronic trading of audience recordings think they're accomplishing. Warren's Mule Tracks business model seems to be working well, coexisting with electronic show trading. Is there any reason to think that a similar setup for ABB wouldn't be just as successful, if not more?

And what's with this obsession with burning CD's and sending them thru the mails? CD's??? This is the internet age baby. Crazy as it sounds to folks who grew up on 8 tracks and vinyl, CD's are a dying technology. Just ask the record companies. Waiting 4 weeks for a CD to be delivered in the mail is silly when you should be able to download a show in 10 minutes. I haven't listened to a CD in years... I just bought a stereo that doesn't even have a CD player.

And it's more than two emails back and forth. It takes several, spread out over several days or weeks, monitoring the board to see if someone responded to you yet, hoping to find someone who has the shows you want and is willing to take the time to burn all those CD's for you and mail it all back... It could be months before you get the show you were looking for, and you might not get it. This is a needless hassle that I would wager does not put one more dime into the band's pocket. If anything, it keeps younger people from being exposed to the music. Fans should be able to go online, click the shows they want and download them on the spot.

Bottom line: it is 2011. Plenty of business models that were disrupted by the internet have figured out how to coexist with the free flow of information. Mule does it, Phish does it... ABB doesn't even try... It is high time that those in the band who cling to the unnecessarily restrictive 1:1 policy reconsider.

JMHO - LONG LIVE ABB - MY PROBLEM IS I JUST CANT GET ENOUGH OF THEM!

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 08:51 PM
Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy.
 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 09:12 PM
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OK, the major issue is the band sells live recordings on the Hittin' the Note website.
Those folks have bills and want to make a living as well, and they do a helluva job supporting the ABB.

Why would they want to dilute that by giving the okey doke to torrenting, because you don't feel like posting a couple e-mails on a section of the band's own trading Forum?

2 e-mails (1 minute, 2 minutes tops) going to the post office (or walking to the mailbox) and sending a B&P, thats about a 5-10 minute effort....

I dunno man, doesn't seem to onerous to me for an ABB show that someone elsed taped.


First off, I don't understand why any fan would defend this policy, or what those who are against electronic trading of audience recordings think they're accomplishing. Warren's Mule Tracks business model seems to be working well, coexisting with electronic show trading. Is there any reason to think that a similar setup for ABB wouldn't be just as successful, if not more?

And what's with this obsession with burning CD's and sending them thru the mails? CD's??? This is the internet age baby. Crazy as it sounds to folks who grew up on 8 tracks and vinyl, CD's are a dying technology. Just ask the record companies. Waiting 4 weeks for a CD to be delivered in the mail is silly when you should be able to download a show in 10 minutes. I haven't listened to a CD in years... I just bought a stereo that doesn't even have a CD player.

And it's more than two emails back and forth. It takes several, spread out over several days or weeks, monitoring the board to see if someone responded to you yet, hoping to find someone who has the shows you want and is willing to take the time to burn all those CD's for you and mail it all back... It could be months before you get the show you were looking for, and you might not get it. This is a needless hassle that I would wager does not put one more dime into the band's pocket. If anything, it keeps younger people from being exposed to the music. Fans should be able to go online, click the shows they want and download them on the spot.

Bottom line: it is 2011. Plenty of business models that were disrupted by the internet have figured out how to coexist with the free flow of information. Mule does it, Phish does it... ABB doesn't even try... It is high time that those in the band who cling to the unnecessarily restrictive 1:1 policy reconsider.

JMHO - LONG LIVE ABB - MY PROBLEM IS I JUST CANT GET ENOUGH OF THEM!




And I think we all understand why nobody initially responded to this.
Your just looking to argue.

FWIW, write the band's management, explain your point, and see if you get a response.
I hope they do respond to you.

 

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And I think we all understand why nobody initially responded to this.
Your just looking to argue.

FWIW, write the band's management, explain your point, and see if you get a response.
I hope they do respond to you.


No Sir... Apologies if it comes across that way... I'm really not looking to argue. It's just an honest, respectful exchange of views. I am trying to figure out whether there is a rational reason for the current policy, and honestly I just don't see it. I think the policy is a relic of a bygone era where the music industry was freaking out about the internet. Bands like phish and mule have shown that the net can be used to everyone's advantage! All I want is more ABB bro! CD's and the mail suck... it's 2011 - we can do better! Be well, hope u make it to some Beacon Shows...... For that matter, I hope I make it to at least one this year.....

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 09:32 PM
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Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy.


I think you make a valid point. it's not like I ever went the instant live route because there's no electronic trading of audience recordings... I just go without until I bump into someone with a hard drive full of shows........ Personally, I would be willing to pay to download soundboards from the ABB site or HTN or wherever...

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 09:35 PM
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cmon folks, 100 views and not one response pro or con? does anyone out there agree with me on this, or am i just nuts?



Who are you to tell the band how to protect THEIR copyrights?

Trading audience tapes is done with the bands blessing. Downloading is not.

The ABB get to set the rules. Be glad that taping and one to one trading is allowed.
The ABB could pull that right back at their pleasure.

get involved in a trade or a vine and quit complaining about something you have no control over.




 

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Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy.


I think you make a valid point. it's not like I ever went the instant live route because there's no electronic trading of audience recordings... I just go without until I bump into someone with a hard drive full of shows........ Personally, I would be willing to pay to download soundboards from the ABB site or HTN or wherever...



Soundboards are available for downloading

http://www.munckmusic.com/wms/allman/index.html

I have used this service and it works well.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 09:39 PM
"Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy."

That seems extreme!

 

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First off, I don't understand why any fan would defend this policy



it is not my right or your right to determine the bands policy. It is theirs alone.

I accept that.

I could whine about it, but that's not going to change anything.



 

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Who are you to tell the band how to protect THEIR copyrights?



I am a fan who has spent thousands of dollars travelling and going to see shows. And I'm not telling anyone anything. Obviously it's their call, but I don't need permission to express my opinion on the matter. Other bands (Mule, DTB, Phish) have shown that a more fan friendly policy can also be good business . Think about that. Two main guys in ABB have totally different -and far more fan friendly- policies for their own bands. They rest of the guys should get with the times... IMO - obviously.

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

 

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I am a fan who has spent thousands of dollars travelling and going to see shows.


and how does this affect their copyright? It gives you no rights at all.
You paid to see and show and that is what you get. nothing more.

If you want an instant copy of the show, then buy an instant live.

We live in a time where everyone expects instant gratification. and for free.

You can buy a download if going to the post office to send a B&P is too much trouble for you.




 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 10:08 PM
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get involved in a trade or a vine and quit complaining about something you have no control over.


aka wait by the mailbox for 2 months to get a crapstack of music so poorly recorded you wouldn't let your dog listen to it.

I prefer to download a track and determine if the quality is good enough to download the rest. Takes minutes.

 

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Soundboards are available for downloading
http://www.munckmusic.com/wms/allman/index.html
I have used this service and it works well.




Thank you very much. They should still allow e-trading of aud recordings but this is better than nothing,. I was not aware this existed.

 

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Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy.





you should delete that picture. makes you look like an ahole. we're just having a conversation here.

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]

 

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as slow as some of the vines move around here, that is countered (atleast to me) by the fact that there is so much music offered up. I think the method of music circulation that the band does allow is one that forces us to communicate with one another a little, and brings a sense of community (atleast to me). Would I download an Allmans bit torrent? Sure. I respect their right to disallow this form of circulation, though. Just thankful they haven't gone the route of the many bands who don't allow concert recording at all.

I don't want to press my luck, and end up being confronted by this though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fps


fair enough. i respect your POV.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 10:21 PM
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ALOT of bands sell live recordings of every show, and STILL allow you to download their AUD recordings online for free!

This one thing I hate about the ABB!


Like Gov't Mule for example. They have sold over one million Mule Tracks Downloads and all their shows are available for torrent download.

 

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And I think we all understand why nobody initially responded to this.
Your just looking to argue.

FWIW, write the band's management, explain your point, and see if you get a response.
I hope they do respond to you.


No Sir... Apologies if it comes across that way... I'm really not looking to argue. It's just an honest, respectful exchange of views. I am trying to figure out whether there is a rational reason for the current policy, and honestly I just don't see it. I think the policy is a relic of a bygone era where the music industry was freaking out about the internet. Bands like phish and mule have shown that the net can be used to everyone's advantage! All I want is more ABB bro! CD's and the mail suck... it's 2011 - we can do better! Be well, hope u make it to some Beacon Shows...... For that matter, I hope I make it to at least one this year.....

[Edited on 3/14/2011 by dano1881]


I agree with you but keep in mind that most bands do not allow audience recordings at all and my understanding is that Gregg for one is not high on taping and probably allows it only because the others want it. He does not allow taping at his solo shows.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 10:29 PM
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Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here. I quit buying their music specifically because of the policy.





you should delete that picture. makes you look like an ahole. we're just having a conversation here.



this is a conversation?

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Policy is garbage, but will be defended by the fogey ABB apologists around here.


sure sounded like a whine to me.

IMO the "aholes" are those complaining about something they have no control offer.



 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 10:54 PM
"Control". That's the crucial word here. Those that defend the Pony Express method of trading so passionately are those that are most fearful of losing the control they have over their collections they've built through a delivery system older than kerosene, fearful that their reputations won't transfer across a network that doesn't rely on being asked 'nicely', fearful that their recordings will become only as valuable as the blank media they were recorded on once everyone has it. That's really what is going on here.
 
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