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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 03:27 PM
Thursday I went to the Furthur Show. Last night went to Beacon. From the 40 minute wait to get in passed the dumb ass security team which caused about 500 people miss the first few songs to the crowd to quality of the band ABB blew Phil and Bobby away. Considering Furthur has been on the road together for a few weeks now I guess the lack of chemistry between band members is just what it is. No smiles no interaction ABB has evolved and remade themselves. Furthur is basically a tribute band. I love Phil and his passion but he couldn't sing in 1971 he certainly shouldn't be singing much at 71. ABB is way more creative today than Furthur. Interesting how Derek looking fit has moved over to be beside Gregg. ABB weaves in a little taste of The Other One last night as a nod to Furthur playing downtown. The best Furthur could come up with was playing an ABB tune in-between sets while the band took an extended break.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 03:42 PM
Having seen Furthur and ABB these past few nights, I would have to say it's an apples and oranges comparison. However, as far a pure musicianship is concerned, there is no comparison between ABB and Furthur. ABB is by far a tighter fresher sounding band. Besides, I'll take a Beacon crowd over being in a "mosh pit" with the great unwashed masses any day
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 04:48 PM
I love the grateful dead and listen to the music as much as the ABB but there is no comparison. Since the Dead tour of 2009 I think it's all a big money grab. I'd rather see Phil and Bobby with their own bands. I really don't think they fit together that well anymore also. I was at bar closer to where Further was playing last night before the show. There was a tour kid playing pool in the place who seemed cool and when he heard we were going to the ABB instead of Further, he told me that the ABB was just the tip of the ice berg compared to Further. I laughed and decided not to debate him or go into how was probably 5 when Jerry died etc...

There is no contest between these 2 bands right now. The ABB is the best bang for the buck anywhere these days. I will say that from the music I've heard on line from Further, Bobby sounds better than when he sat in with the ABB in 09. He really sucked the energy out of the room the last night of that run when he sat in.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 05:52 PM
Apples and oranges? It's apples and peaches!
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 05:59 PM
I'm a Deadhead, saw them from '72 on, but this I can tell you (at least IMHO):

The 12 minute opening night Spanish Key, Miles jam, as well as Derek's take on The Other One jam last night, will blow away anything Furthur is capable of doing. I don't see it as apples and oranges. And, I do wish Phil would get his own thing going again.

Ok, that's all I'll say on this subject

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 06:34 PM
Both bands deliver for their fan base. I first saw the Grateful Dead in 1973. Enjoyed the tour with Warren and Mickey/Billy.
I just can't get past the fake Jerry thing. But there's lots of people who want to say they tasted the Grateful Dead experience. That ended in 1995.
I enjoy the Beacon shows, but I'm priced out considering how many truly great shows I've seen at the Beacon over the years.
How many people can say they've been Lodge Row A for the Grateful Dead at the Beacon in 1976? Many great Dickey/Woody shows as well.
I've got the big screen ready for MSG Live Monday night, and I'm shopping for the special microbrews and some goodies to complete the "surround sound" experience!.
Enjoy!!!

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 06:34 PM
I saw the ABB friday and going again on monday. I have a chance to get a ticket for Furthur tomorrow night. after reading this post not sure I even want to go. I've never seen the Dead so was wandering if going to see Furthur might give a taste of what the Dead used to be. not sure anymore.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 06:40 PM
Danik, I would still go. Check it out and form your own opinion. Phil's bass inside the Nokia theatre will be worth hearing. My thing is that with the two bands in town at the same thing there is no hesitation that I would choose the ABB every time.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 07:47 PM
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I saw the ABB friday and going again on monday. I have a chance to get a ticket for Furthur tomorrow night. after reading this post not sure I even want to go. I've never seen the Dead so was wandering if going to see Furthur might give a taste of what the Dead used to be. not sure anymore.

If you've never seen them, go. You will have a good time. For this oldtimer, there has to be a comfortable seat where I don't have to stand for the entire show. Enjoy!

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 08:35 PM
agreed.
If you can only see one, then the ABB clearly is the way to go.
But if you've never seen the GD, it's worth it , if nothing else just to see Phil

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 08:39 PM
Phil rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 09:19 PM
I would always pick the ABB over any other show, on that note, I have to say Furthur to me is pretty good. I was never lucky enough to see Jerry.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 10:31 PM
Disagree with the Furthur haters here. I go back to '73 with the Dead. Furthur is anything but a tribute band, and certainly no more or less than the ABB. I just saw 2 of the Boston Orpheum shows, and the second sets of both shows were jawdropping great. I'm glad they are out there keeping the GD catalog alive, while re-interpreting it all the time. Two of my favorite bands, wouldn't want to have to make a choice between the two, that's a false choice in my book.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 11:46 PM
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I saw the ABB friday and going again on monday. I have a chance to get a ticket for Furthur tomorrow night. after reading this post not sure I even want to go. I've never seen the Dead so was wandering if going to see Furthur might give a taste of what the Dead used to be. not sure anymore.

If you've never seen them, go. You will have a good time. For this oldtimer, there has to be a comfortable seat where I don't have to stand for the entire show. Enjoy!


Is it realy standing only ? no seating all even at the back? I wouldn't survive standing for 3 hours or even more if you add the time on the line getting in.
On the other hand it is tempting as the ABB are off tomorrow so who knows what might happen guest wise.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2011 at 11:56 PM
saw Phil and Friends at the Warfield "closing" shows a few years ago. No seats on the orchestra level. We wound up 2nd or 3rd row of people back. It was SF, so everyone was cool and respected each other's space.
Bring a blanket to sit on before the show and set break.
During the show, you won't be standing, you'll be dancing.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 12:07 AM
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saw Phil and Friends at the Warfield "closing" shows a few years ago. No seats on the orchestra level. We wound up 2nd or 3rd row of people back. It was SF, so everyone was cool and respected each other's space.
Bring a blanket to sit on before the show and set break.
During the show, you won't be standing, you'll be dancing.


Does anyone know if at the Best Buy theater there is any way to sit near the back of the hall ?
How big is this place ? only orchestra level ?

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 12:11 AM
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During the show, you won't be standing, you'll be dancing.


Debatable...

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 12:12 AM
looks like a fairly intimate theater - all standing

http://bestbuytheater.com/seating.php

[Edited on 3/13/2011 by stormyrider]

edit - according to the FAQ, there are 500 fixed seats, 1st come 1st served

[Edited on 3/13/2011 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 12:15 AM
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saw Phil and Friends at the Warfield "closing" shows a few years ago. No seats on the orchestra level. We wound up 2nd or 3rd row of people back. It was SF, so everyone was cool and respected each other's space.
Bring a blanket to sit on before the show and set break.
During the show, you won't be standing, you'll be dancing.


Does anyone know if at the Best Buy theater there is any way to sit near the back of the hall ?
How big is this place ? only orchestra level ?

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 12:23 AM
there are seats in the back...but if you want to sit you better get in line before six o'clock.
I was at furthur fri night and just got home from abb tonight...abb was much better

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 01:10 PM
as to the broader discussion of the ABB music experience -vs- a Grateful Dead experience......???

both are the greatest bands of our lives........they have different cultures and separate histories but are so similar it becomes topical by nature to compare and contrast.

if it were a music contest......The Allman Brothers won that contest a long time ago.

having Derek and Oteil in the ABB keeps it young and vibrant.

Phil should never ever sing > ever........






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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 06:22 PM
Last night during the drums I was thinking to myself "is it possible that there is a band out there with a better drum section"? Those three guys rock and then Otiel jumps in! Is is possible?

Then you layer on the fact that the band has 2 of the best guitarists in the world. 2 of 3? 2 of the 4 best? 2 of 5? It's subjective but there's no doubt they have 2 of the best.

The bass player is world class and totally gets it.

And then, oh by the way, the keyboardist and lead vocalist just happens to Gregg Allman!

I mean are you kidding me? I just don't see how there's a band in the world that has anything on this group of musicians.

As for Further vs. ABB. I love 'em both.

But there's no comparison between the overall experience of an ABB show at the Beacon vs. a Further show at the Best Buy. Despite the Dolan's efforts to institutionalize the place the Beacon is still comfortable, clean, fun, and not overcrowded.

The Best Buy is just a pain in the ass. Sucks getting in. Too crowded. Just a battle from start to finish. The place does have good sound and I give them credit for adding some bars near the sound board, those really worked out nicely. God help the crowd if there's ever a fire.

I saw Further on Thursday and ABB on Saturday. My ABB ticket cost exactly $101 more...it was worth it.

 

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I saw the ABB friday and going again on monday. I have a chance to get a ticket for Furthur tomorrow night. after reading this post not sure I even want to go. I've never seen the Dead so was wandering if going to see Furthur might give a taste of what the Dead used to be. not sure anymore.

If you've never seen them, go. You will have a good time. For this oldtimer, there has to be a comfortable seat where I don't have to stand for the entire show. Enjoy!


Is it realy standing only ? no seating all even at the back? I wouldn't survive standing for 3 hours or even more if you add the time on the line getting in.
On the other hand it is tempting as the ABB are off tomorrow so who knows what might happen guest wise.


Yes there is seating. you have to get there early-ish to get one. You have to go see them once, then you can decide who to love more. They each bring different things to the table. The thing that upsets me, is that they're both here at the same time. I have the money for both, but not the energy to do 3-5 nights in a row, mixing it up. Why should any of us have to choose? BTW, ABB ripped it up Friday night. Great show.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2011 at 11:33 PM
Well tonight Warren played a full set with furthur and they opened with blue sky, it was angelic. And personally a set with Warren and the only song I still craved after saturday at the beacon was enough of a nod to their existence.

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  posted on 3/14/2011 at 07:51 AM
What ever band one prefers ( It's ABB hands down for me) Nokia offers seats with much greater leg room,3 coat checks,herbal hot teas,hot coffee, really good sandwiches and cakes and a dance floor for folks that love to move.I much prefer that over the $6 uncapped Cokes and pretzels at the Beacon.
 
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