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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:00 AM
OK it starts tonight at midnight! is anyone catching it then?

i will have to wait till Friday night to see the end of the trilogy! again, going by myself because none of my local friends are into it at all.

personally, i've read the trilogy, the hobbit and The Silmarillion about 5 times total; and love the way the movies came out. IT was also cool to hear how half the names where pronounced!

and i cant wait to hear news that Peter Jackson has gotten the green light to film THe Hobbit!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:06 AM
STARZ is really promoting this upcoming LOTR weekend...so I'm going to watch the first two back to back again to refresh my memory and then catch the final.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:22 AM
Linnie, read somewhere that Peter Jackson said that he would love to do the Hobbit but had some prior commitments to do first....so, wouldn't shock me to see it done! I agree it would be great!
 
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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:34 AM
Nice to see for once, that a big movie is opening in the UK on the same date as the US! (so rarely the case)

Anyway, I've sorted the babysitters out (ie. my parents!), booked the tickets & am really looking forward to going this Saturday afternoon - as a warm-up, my wife & I are re-watching The Two Towers tonight.

 
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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:38 AM
just remembered, the "prior commitment" is a remake of king kong, after that I'd imagine we'll get the hobbit
 
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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:49 AM
I'll probably go either Thursday or Friday afternoon . . . about twoish, if I can persuade my boss that this is in fact very important.

I'm geeked.

We could let her do it . . .

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 12:25 PM
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I am gonna wait for it to come out on video so I can see all the visual effects on a 25" screen and hear the mayhem on a pair of 2" speakers. Oh Boy !

Only joking......why would anyone do that above ?

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 12:30 PM
i'm really psyched! the first movie i could tell i was this HUGE geek because when Bilbo gave his birthday speech, me and some other dude where the only two laughing!

cant wait! if i didnt have to work tommorow i'd be there tonight.

i just read somewhere that Peter Jackson practically insists that he do the movie, but he said that the rights to that book are "complicated".

the hobbit is a one of the best adventures ever written. people will love it!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 01:22 PM
Got to see the movie at the advance media screening last week. No spoilers here: The movie is great but a bit long (about 3 1/4 hours).....Still felt like they had to edit bits out to keep the length that it is......

Look for the expanded DVD in about a year....

If you liked the first 2 installments, you will not be sorry......

The film is great !!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 01:35 PM
Ha Ha! Jen and I were so excited about this that we actually jumped the gun (had baby sitter lined up and everything ....... for LAST week!)

Now, we blew it and won't be able to get out until probably after Christmas...

I read that some theaters are planning on offering a run of all 3 movies - that's something over 9 hours straight - makes my butt numb just thinking about it!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 01:40 PM
*Look for the expanded DVD in about a year....*

I hate how they do this with their releases. The deleted scenes are well worth it. Too bad there was no Tom Bombadil in any of the movies.

Saw the commercial with Aragorn giving his pre-battle speech. Whew.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 09:34 PM
I'm gonna go tonight.

I also think that Leaving out Tom Bombadil was a mistake.

It changes the tone of the movie from the book. Tom
is the warm hearted foil to all of Frodo's doom and gloom.
The movie is much darker than the book with Peter's edit.

Changing the Farmer from a friend to an enemy in the movie is
another nudge in the dark direction, but not as much as leaving out Tom.
Tolkiens love of nature really comes out in the Tom Chapters.

But the movie could have been 20 hours if they put everything in.
In terms of the story line, the Chapters with Tom were expendable.
But it definitely changes the tone of the film darker much earlier than the books.

Also the scouring of the Shire was expendable from the main plot. I kind of
expected this cut. This part of the story is more to develop the character of
the Hobbits and how their adventure
changed them. And reveals some of Suraman's meddling in the shire.
But the development of the Hobbits is an important part of the story
and I can see OTF's point about having it in kept in. But much of
the story after the destruction of the ring and the fall of Mordor
is anti-climatic for a movie.
Another tough choice for the Director.

Overall I think it is an achievement that Peter Jackson can be proud of.

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 09:37 PM
opens here in New Zealand at midnight as well.Taking my son to see it in the new year after the rush.
Awesome films.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 09:50 PM
im going in midday tomorrow. if anyone cant go pm me tomorrrow afternoon and i can give u a rundown. dont want to spoil in public but i know some cant go but want to know what happens. you know, kinda like tape trading
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  posted on 12/16/2003 at 10:50 PM
Planning to see it tomorrow. If it's 3 1/4 hours, I think it'd be the shortest one of the three!

I hadn't heard anything about The Hobbit before. I poked around, and for whatever it's worth, Peter Jackson said last year that he wouldn't do it. More recently, he's also said he's interested, and he's also said maybe he's interested. King Kong isn't due out until 2005 - summer, I'm sure -so he'll be busy doing other things for a good while.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 01:52 AM
So that was Billy K with two thumbs up! Hard to get that high of a rating from you BillyK. It must be good.

As far as the expanded version, bring it on! I like the sound of John's 20 hour version or maybe a month long mini series would have been great. I was afraid that they would destroy the book with the movie (which they have) but the movies are great compared to most other movies. I have read the books many times over so the movies are just bonus eye candy for me.

I can't help but believe kids will watch the movie and never read the books. They will miss out on much as we all know. I have gotten many kids interested in reading with those books. Great stories are an easy sell and it lets the imagination run wild.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 01:54 AM
That's always a possibility when you make a film out of a book... but I don't know. I think LOTR attracts a certain kind of fan. That type of fan - leaving out the huge amount who have already read the books once or way more than once - probably sees the movie and reads the books anyway.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 03:10 AM
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Also the scouring of the Shire was expendable from the main plot. I kind of
expected this cut. This part of the story is more to develop the character of
the Hobbits and how their adventure
changed them. And reveals some of Suraman's meddling in the shire.
But the development of the Hobbits is an important part of the story
and I can see OTF's point about having it in kept in. But much of
the story after the destruction of the ring and the fall of Mordor
is anti-climatic for a movie.
Another tough choice for the Director.


I was never a fan of the Scouring of the Shire, when I first read the book - I always found this an anticlimax myself, and can understand its' lack of appeal to a film-maker.

HOWEVER, I do also understand that Tolkien was greatly attached to this part of the story, and considered it an essential part of the tale right from the start. Looking back now, I can see he was right: this part IS important in establishing the decline of the Istari (Saruman/Gandalf/Radagast) after the destruction of the Ring, and also makes the point clear that it is going to be a very different world for everyone (including the Hobbits) in the Fourth Age. Perhaps their struggle against Saruman and his cronies is even a pointer towards the Hobbits own eventual decline and disappearance from the world??

I know that Jackson did shoot some additional material with Christopher Lee, before deciding to consign it to the cutting-room floor - I only hope that this chapter is represented in some way, in the 4 disc deluxe edition next Christmas

 
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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 03:13 AM
I think Jackson has indicated you WILL see Christopher Lee on the DVD, which is the movie as he imagined it. Apparently no Scouring stuff, though.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 04:07 AM
It was pretty good. I don't think it was as good as
the first two. They really cut a lot of the end from
the book. Even the final battle at the gates of Mordor
was condensed.

The theater I was in lost the center channel at the
beginning of the final reel. They had to move
us to another theater, what a mad scramble that was.

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 05:41 PM
My wife is going tonight. I'll be going (with her) on Friday.

She has said that she very recently heard that Jackson will do the Hobbit after King Kong. So that's the most recent update I've heard.

Those are all interesting comments.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 10:00 PM
Well, it sold out tonight, so I didn't get to see it. We'll try again tomorrow and get tix further in advance.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2003 at 10:12 PM
go to agree w/ john. first two were better to me . i may be the only person around who liked "two towers" the best. my theater also lost sound near the end, but it came in and out for a couple of minutes then came back. i had never read the books so i dont know what was cut but to me it just felt like the way it all comes to an end is forced and not as legitimate as it could have been. i am a military history buff who never liked fantasy all that much so my view is fairly jaded. i loved how the combat of the first two films maintained an attitude of actual tactics and victory came to the better army- i.e the cavalry striking the orcs flank at helm's deep but in this one the cold truth of military strength is ignored. if anyone finds this all heretical sorry, just my two cents.
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  posted on 12/18/2003 at 12:59 AM
I think OTF's worse fears were realized. The way Jackson dealt
with the cutting of "the scouring of the shire" was not to deal
with it at all. The hobbits went home looking much like when
they left and had a beer. Frodo didn't look like he had it so bad.
In the book Merry and Pippin returned wearing the armor that
they earned in battle. Wearing it Proudly. Ordinary Hobbit clothes
in the movie. In the movie the old grumpy
woman in the shire was still
sweeping her steps as if nothing had changed.
all of middle earth in turmoil but the shire is just fine!

Another thing is in the book is that Eowyn and Merry are
mortally wounded in battle with the Captain of the
Ring Wraiths. Aragon is called on to heal them and Farimir.
Nothing of this in the movie. This is an important part
of Aragon's character. It is somewhat alluded to in
the Fellowship of the Ring movie but not mentioned in
this final movie. His Healing powers are needed to restore Gondor.

Also the Seeing stone recovered from Saruman is
not fully developed. They show Merry getting in trouble
with the stone. But none of Aragon using the stone
to mentally wrestle with Sauron and draw attention
away from Frodo's mission and to learn of the Enemy's mind.
And Denethor's madness is glossed over in the movie.
The book shows the reason that he too was using a seeing stone and that
was one reason he knew more than Gandalf realized.
And the reason for his madness. The seeing stone is an important
plot line in the book under developed movie.

The Movie is titled "The Return of the King." Jackson gives
us the Brave Warrior King. None of the healing King.
None of the intellect and will of mind.

I like the King Tolkien paints with words much better than the
King Jackson gives us in his movie. The movie King
is too one dimensional. This is the movie's fatal flaw.

Peace
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  posted on 12/18/2003 at 05:16 AM
Damm - in Australia we have to wait till Dec 26th for it to open. Hope the Chistmas Dinner is digested by then. Berrrp!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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