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  posted on 2/27/2011 at 11:16 AM
Not really extensively familar with the back catalog of Gov't Mule or the DTB, but what songs do you think could have fit well within an Allman Brothers album?

 

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  posted on 2/27/2011 at 12:35 PM
Certainly not wanting to highjack your thread, efus, but ... I just hate these topics i.e. "What other artist songs should the ABB be covering?" "What other Dickey, dtb, Mule, GAF, Frogwing, etc songs should the ABB cover?" My wish is for them to squeeze out just one more classic album. I suppose Hittin' The Note was ok. I personally felt there were 4 very good songs on there and the rest filler. Did we really need "Heart of Stone" or an ABB studio document of "Rockin' Horse"? I mean really. I know they could've picked a better Stones song and most folks here have heard RH at every ABB show since 2001.

The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects? I'm looking forward to hearing Warren's "soul" album for the simple reason that supposedly serveral of the songs are older. I'm hoping this means that "stylistically" they didn't fit any of the outlets Warren has had since ... which now thinking about it wouldn't make sense. Would it? Warren doesn't have a problem writing songs. Just not as many of them are classic tunes anymore IMO.

An album of sellected covers? Well ... Gregg has done that just recently as a matter of fact. How's that working? Well I truely feel that he may win a grammy and I would assume he is enjoying record sales. But ... it just isn't that satisfying to this fan. LCB sounds like a children's album with "Just Another Rider" a retread of something from Hittin' The Note.

Anyway back to your original post ... Mule or DTB's songs ... hmm ... "Soulshine"??? ... err ... No! "Greasey Granny Gravy" ... er ... double no. Hmmm ... how 'bout dtb??? "Spillway" or "Joyful Noise"??? Well I suppose ... but would they be better than the original versions. Not to fans of dtb again IMO. Just because someone probably hasn't heard another artist's regardless of whether it's the Mule or dtb song or not before, isn't a good reason to stick it on an ABB record. Of course I could be wrong ... this marketing strategy seems to have worked for Sanatana. Perhaps the ABB could cover Carlos' version of Def Leopard's "Photograph" with Chris Daughtery's singing?

That's the true problem with posts like this is how quick they go to absudity. Hopefullly I achieved that with the first response.

[Edited on 2/27/2011 by Charlesinator]

 

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  posted on 2/27/2011 at 01:13 PM
Ehh, not what I had intended C....

What I was trying to get started, was not the ABB covering Mule/DTB songs,
but what songs those bands had, that may have sounded great if they had gotten the Allman Bros treatment first instead.

Basically Warren, Derek or Oteil, bringing a riff in, and having the Brothers work on it, instead of using it for their own albums.

For instance; Get What You Deserve or Down Don't Bother Me from the DTB, kind of those blues based stompers...wonder what they would have sounded like with a Greg vocal on it, etc, etc...

 

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Certainly not wanting to highjack your thread, efus, but ... I just hate these topics i.e. "What other artist songs should the ABB be covering?" "What other Dickey, dtb, Mule, GAF, Frogwing, etc songs should the ABB cover?" My wish is for them to squeeze out just one more classic album. I suppose Hittin' The Note was ok. I personally felt there were 4 very good songs on there and the rest filler. Did we really need "Heart of Stone" or an ABB studio document of "Rockin' Horse"? I mean really. I know they could've picked a better Stones song and most folks here have heard RH at every ABB show since 2001.

The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects? I'm looking forward to hearing Warren's "soul" album for the simple reason that supposedly serveral of the songs are older. I'm hoping this means that "stylistically" they didn't fit any of the outlets Warren has had since ... which now thinking about it wouldn't make sense. Would it? Warren doesn't have a problem writing songs. Just not as many of them are classic tunes anymore IMO.

An album of sellected covers? Well ... Gregg has done that just recently as a matter of fact. How's that working? Well I truely feel that he may win a grammy and I would assume he is enjoying record sales. But ... it just isn't that satisfying to this fan. LCB sounds like a children's album with "Just Another Rider" a retread of something from Hittin' The Note.

Anyway back to your original post ... Mule or DTB's songs ... hmm ... "Soulshine"??? ... err ... No! "Greasey Granny Gravy" ... er ... double no. Hmmm ... how 'bout dtb??? "Spillway" or "Joyful Noise"??? Well I suppose ... but would they be better than the original versions. Not to fans of dtb again IMO. Just because someone probably hasn't heard another artist's regardless of whether it's the Mule or dtb song or not before, isn't a good reason to stick it on an ABB record. Of course I could be wrong ... this marketing strategy seems to have worked for Sanatana. Perhaps the ABB could cover Carlos' version of Def Leopard's "Photograph" with Chris Daughtery's singing?

That's the true problem with posts like this is how quick they go to absudity. Hopefullly I achieved that with the first response.

[Edited on 2/27/2011 by Charlesinator]


Soulshine WAS an Allman Brothers song that became a Mule song. One Mule song that became an ABB song is Rocking Horse. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

 

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Soulshine WAS an Allman Brothers song that became a Mule song. One Mule song that became an ABB song is Rocking Horse. I'm sure there are a few others as well.


Well, actually "Rockin' Horse" was a ABB song. They recorded it and it became an outtake because they weren't satisfied with the result. Then Warren took it to GM and it became a Mule setlist regular. Years later the ABB gave it another try and it ended up on HTN.

 

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The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects?


Warren is certainly prolific but, to my ears, most of his songs just aren't memorable.

A lot of them are more like vehicles for some jamming which is fine in a live, GM context.

On an ABB studio album? Not really.






 

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The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects?


Warren is certainly prolific but, to my ears, most of his songs just aren't memorable.

A lot of them are more like vehicles for some jamming which is fine in a live, GM context.

On an ABB studio album? Not really.






I personally fully disagree. Plenty of memorable songs. Not all of them and of course and a whole bunch suit Gov't Mule and not the ABB but he could come up with very strong material for the ABB when asked. Especially if he would team up with Gregg. Of course he has written mostly with GM in mind and saved nothing for the ABB. After HTN in 2003 the ABB declared for many years, and Butch still does today, that they won't be making a new studio effort so why should Warren write new songs with the ABB in mind if he knows "nobody will be listening". I personally think that if they DO make the effort of writing new songs and making a new CD it will make us fans proud. BTW, i think plenty of Warren's songs are very well structered and not just "vehicles for some jamming". Just my 2 cents.



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Certainly not wanting to highjack your thread, efus, but ... I just hate these topics i.e. "What other artist songs should the ABB be covering?" "What other Dickey, dtb, Mule, GAF, Frogwing, etc songs should the ABB cover?" My wish is for them to squeeze out just one more classic album. I suppose Hittin' The Note was ok. I personally felt there were 4 very good songs on there and the rest filler. Did we really need "Heart of Stone" or an ABB studio document of "Rockin' Horse"? I mean really. I know they could've picked a better Stones song and most folks here have heard RH at every ABB show since 2001.

The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects? I'm looking forward to hearing Warren's "soul" album for the simple reason that supposedly serveral of the songs are older. I'm hoping this means that "stylistically" they didn't fit any of the outlets Warren has had since ... which now thinking about it wouldn't make sense. Would it? Warren doesn't have a problem writing songs. Just not as many of them are classic tunes anymore IMO.

An album of sellected covers? Well ... Gregg has done that just recently as a matter of fact. How's that working? Well I truely feel that he may win a grammy and I would assume he is enjoying record sales. But ... it just isn't that satisfying to this fan. LCB sounds like a children's album with "Just Another Rider" a retread of something from Hittin' The Note.

Anyway back to your original post ... Mule or DTB's songs ... hmm ... "Soulshine"??? ... err ... No! "Greasey Granny Gravy" ... er ... double no. Hmmm ... how 'bout dtb??? "Spillway" or "Joyful Noise"??? Well I suppose ... but would they be better than the original versions. Not to fans of dtb again IMO. Just because someone probably hasn't heard another artist's regardless of whether it's the Mule or dtb song or not before, isn't a good reason to stick it on an ABB record. Of course I could be wrong ... this marketing strategy seems to have worked for Sanatana. Perhaps the ABB could cover Carlos' version of Def Leopard's "Photograph" with Chris Daughtery's singing?

That's the true problem with posts like this is how quick they go to absudity. Hopefullly I achieved that with the first response.

[Edited on 2/27/2011 by Charlesinator]



I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB. He contributed to the writing of one of the best songs on Derek's last album as well as one of the best songs on Gregg's album. A whole bunch of very good songs on the last Mule album and a bunch of new ones coming on the Warren Haynes Band album. Warren is the furthest thing from the problem. IMO if anything, Warren would be the impetus and driving force for any new material should the ABB ever decide to record again as he was for HTN. Personally I could care less if they ever release anything new studio wise. Unless they are all up for it 100%, especially the three original members it won't be any good anyway and I don't want to see them release anything that is forced or contrived. I am sure if they wanted to do something new that Warren would be the one most into it and the one bringing 99% of the ideas to the table.

I also disagrre about 'Heart of Stone' which fit Gregg's voice like a glove and 'Rocking Horse' which sounds a lot different with the ABB percussion and double guitar attack. Different strokes for different folks!

Not sure about any other Mule or Derek songs fitting the ABB style.

[Edited on 2/28/2011 by sixty8]

 

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  posted on 2/28/2011 at 03:47 PM
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Soulshine WAS an Allman Brothers song that became a Mule song. One Mule song that became an ABB song is Rocking Horse. I'm sure there are a few others as well.


Well, actually "Rockin' Horse" was a ABB song. They recorded it and it became an outtake because they weren't satisfied with the result. Then Warren took it to GM and it became a Mule setlist regular. Years later the ABB gave it another try and it ended up on HTN.


That's true but Mule didn't just perform it. They recorded it on their first album so for that reason I consider it a Mule song. I agree it was originally composed to be an ABB song.

 

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The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects?


Warren is certainly prolific but, to my ears, most of his songs just aren't memorable.

A lot of them are more like vehicles for some jamming which is fine in a live, GM context.

On an ABB studio album? Not really.








I have to disagree. I think Warren has written and co-written some beautifully melodic songs. Most of them were utlilized by Gov't Mule or Phil Lesh and Friends. Soulshine is a big exception.

 

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Certainly not wanting to highjack your thread, efus, but ... I just hate these topics i.e. "What other artist songs should the ABB be covering?" "What other Dickey, dtb, Mule, GAF, Frogwing, etc songs should the ABB cover?" My wish is for them to squeeze out just one more classic album. I suppose Hittin' The Note was ok. I personally felt there were 4 very good songs on there and the rest filler. Did we really need "Heart of Stone" or an ABB studio document of "Rockin' Horse"? I mean really. I know they could've picked a better Stones song and most folks here have heard RH at every ABB show since 2001.

The biggest problem to a new ABB cd IMO is Warren Haynes. Does he have an albums worth of good (the operable word here) new material in him that won't be diluted over his other projects? I'm looking forward to hearing Warren's "soul" album for the simple reason that supposedly serveral of the songs are older. I'm hoping this means that "stylistically" they didn't fit any of the outlets Warren has had since ... which now thinking about it wouldn't make sense. Would it? Warren doesn't have a problem writing songs. Just not as many of them are classic tunes anymore IMO.

An album of sellected covers? Well ... Gregg has done that just recently as a matter of fact. How's that working? Well I truely feel that he may win a grammy and I would assume he is enjoying record sales. But ... it just isn't that satisfying to this fan. LCB sounds like a children's album with "Just Another Rider" a retread of something from Hittin' The Note.

Anyway back to your original post ... Mule or DTB's songs ... hmm ... "Soulshine"??? ... err ... No! "Greasey Granny Gravy" ... er ... double no. Hmmm ... how 'bout dtb??? "Spillway" or "Joyful Noise"??? Well I suppose ... but would they be better than the original versions. Not to fans of dtb again IMO. Just because someone probably hasn't heard another artist's regardless of whether it's the Mule or dtb song or not before, isn't a good reason to stick it on an ABB record. Of course I could be wrong ... this marketing strategy seems to have worked for Sanatana. Perhaps the ABB could cover Carlos' version of Def Leopard's "Photograph" with Chris Daughtery's singing?

That's the true problem with posts like this is how quick they go to absudity. Hopefullly I achieved that with the first response.

[Edited on 2/27/2011 by Charlesinator]



I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB. He contributed to the writing of one of the best songs on Derek's last album as well as one of the best songs on Gregg's album. A whole bunch of very good songs on the last Mule album and a bunch of new ones coming on the Warren Haynes Band album. Warren is the furthest thing from the problem. IMO if anything, Warren would be the impetus and driving force for any new material should the ABB ever decide to record again as he was for HTN. Personally I could care less if they ever release anything new studio wise. Unless they are all up for it 100%, especially the three original members it won't be any good anyway and I don't want to see them release anything that is forced or contrived. I am sure if they wanted to do something new that Warren would be the one most into it and the one bringing 99% of the ideas to the table.

I also disagrre about 'Heart of Stone' which fit Gregg's voice like a glove and 'Rocking Horse' which sounds a lot different with the ABB percussion and double guitar attack. Different strokes for different folks!

Not sure about any other Mule or Derek songs fitting the ABB style.

[Edited on 2/28/2011 by sixty8]


I have to agree given that every song on HTN except the covers were co-written by Gregg and Warren and the only original on Gregg's new album was co-written with Warren.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2011 at 05:21 PM
Re: the Haynes/Allman songwriting team, if the only thing they ever wrote was "Desdemona", it would be a fruitful partnership in my book.

As far as the thread title, I'll take a stab with "Fallen Down". I think the ABB could do it more than justice.

 

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Sort of a strange question: what songs those bands had, that may have sounded great if they had gotten the Allman Bros treatment first instead. The only answer conceivable is to say what songs you would like to hear the Brothers cover now . . .

When Doves Cry>Beautifully Broken
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Bad Little Doggie
Goin Out West
Blind Man In The Dark

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I actually think Derek, and especially Warren, have contributed a lot of good music to the current lineup of the ABB. I'm including a few covers.

Bag End--This really came into its own at the United Palace last year. A great ABB isntrumental in the classic vein, well worthy of being on a studio album. A solid contribution to the ABB songbook from Derek that he doesn't get enough credit for.

Egypt--Peaked in 2005, but same as above. Nothing second rate about this song. Oteil and Warren get the credit for this one.

Who's Been Talking--My favorite song to see Warren sing with the band, and one that the ABB has really made their own.

Blind Willie McTell--I don't know for sure, but I feel like Warren probably brought this one to the band. Another one that the ABB have really made their own.

Highway 61 Revisited--A great slide showcase for Derek, they did a KILLER version on the November tour that really shows what this song is capable of in an ABB context.

And now, a couple of more "out of the box" thoughts....

No One To Run With Coda Jam--For the past several years, the band has played a very distinct jam at the end of No One To Run With. It's a totally separate piece of music from the main body of the song, and it's a really beautiful, well-developed composition. Seems like Warren probably came up with this one, but I could be wrong.

Derek's Jam in Rockin' Horse--You know the one I mean, the sunny, Caribbean-flavored jam that has turned Rockin' Horse into one of the most epic jams this band can do. Perfectly suited for Derek's strengths as a player, much like the No One To Run With jam, it's a distinct piece of music that could stand on its own as a separate song.


Considering that both of them have their own bands, I think Warren and Derek have brought plenty of new music to the ABB recently. Add in a few more choice covers like Comin' Home and Smokestack Lightning, and you would have enough material for an album.

 
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I actually think Derek, and especially Warren, have contributed a lot of good music to the current lineup of the ABB. I'm including a few covers.

Bag End--This really came into its own at the United Palace last year. A great ABB isntrumental in the classic vein, well worthy of being on a studio album. A solid contribution to the ABB songbook from Derek that he doesn't get enough credit for.

Egypt--Peaked in 2005, but same as above. Nothing second rate about this song. Oteil and Warren get the credit for this one.

Who's Been Talking--My favorite song to see Warren sing with the band, and one that the ABB has really made their own.

Blind Willie McTell--I don't know for sure, but I feel like Warren probably brought this one to the band. Another one that the ABB have really made their own.

Highway 61 Revisited--A great slide showcase for Derek, they did a KILLER version on the November tour that really shows what this song is capable of in an ABB context.

And now, a couple of more "out of the box" thoughts....

No One To Run With Coda Jam--For the past several years, the band has played a very distinct jam at the end of No One To Run With. It's a totally separate piece of music from the main body of the song, and it's a really beautiful, well-developed composition. Seems like Warren probably came up with this one, but I could be wrong.

Derek's Jam in Rockin' Horse--You know the one I mean, the sunny, Caribbean-flavored jam that has turned Rockin' Horse into one of the most epic jams this band can do. Perfectly suited for Derek's strengths as a player, much like the No One To Run With jam, it's a distinct piece of music that could stand on its own as a separate song.


Considering that both of them have their own bands, I think Warren and Derek have brought plenty of new music to the ABB recently. Add in a few more choice covers like Comin' Home and Smokestack Lightning, and you would have enough material for an album.


Word Rob. We see the ABB because of what they do to these songs live and they do great things to them. Warren has brought so much its beyond imagination and so has Derek. They are both truly innovative and creative musical leaders.

As for the original question, I really think the style of most of the DTB songs are more suited for the ABB that the heavy sound of the Mule. I could see Gregg singing most of those songs no problem.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2011 at 08:26 PM
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No One To Run With Coda Jam--For the past several years, the band has played a very distinct jam at the end of No One To Run With. It's a totally separate piece of music from the main body of the song, and it's a really beautiful, well-developed composition. Seems like Warren probably came up with this one, but I could be wrong.

Derek's Jam in Rockin' Horse--You know the one I mean, the sunny, Caribbean-flavored jam that has turned Rockin' Horse into one of the most epic jams this band can do. Perfectly suited for Derek's strengths as a player, much like the No One To Run With jam, it's a distinct piece of music that could stand on its own as a separate song.



I completely agree with these observations. These jams have recently become my favorite parts of an ABB live show.

 

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I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB.


I think that is something we can all agree on...........but it is a very small field!

Warren is a great singer, guitarist, arranger and a prolific songwriter. I just feel that too many of his songs are interchangeable and unmemorable. I look at the last few Mule albums - Deja Voodoo, High & Mighty, By A Thread - and not too many great songs jump out.

Some of his lyrics also lack polish and can be jarring. How about

We're at a place in history where the bar is at an all time low
We've applauded mediocrity till there is no lower we can go
Art has no place in this world of supersize
Follow the leader to the latest pile of ****
Like flies

And those who peddle it sold their own souls long ago
They would not know the difference between Vin Diesel and Van Gogh
They stare at me with envy with their big green bugging eyes
Spreading filth, buzzing all around my head
Like flies
Like flies

Feast or famine, peace or war - life will get you in the end
Sex, drugs, powerlines and vaccinations - something's going to do you in
There ain't no way of stopping death when it's time for your demise
All my heroes and friends are dropping
Like flies
Like flies

Clumsy stuff, in my opinion.

I've got the greatest respect for Warren in every department. He writes some great songs - I just wish he'd maybe hold on to a few more ideas and work them to a higher standard.

And another personal aside - I wish he would never again indulge in reggae music! It makes me want to leave the room.









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There are a few off of Life Before Insanity that sounded like something the ABB could have done, particularly Fallen Down and In My Life. On Deep End 1, Worried Down with the Blues was practically an ABB song with Gregg singing part of it on the album. It first appeared in the ABB setlists in the 1990s and then the ABB released it on Live At the Beacon CD.

Banks of the Deep End also was one that I think the ABB could have done real well, and it appeared in the Beacon setslists in the early 2000s (or was that Beautifully Broken?). Both could have been something that would have worked for the ABB.

I actually was a bigger dTb fan than Mule fan but I'm not sure too many of their original songs would work great for the ABB (wonderful songs like Like Anyone Else, Ka-Ma-Lay, This Sky etc aren't exactly ABB type music). Down Don't Bother Me comes to mind as one that would work . The ABB would scorch So Close So Far Away (not sure you could improve on that one though). Some of their blues covers would fit the ABB to a T though and I'm surprised we don't hear the ABB do "Drown in My Own Tears" that Gregg sang on the dTb's Soul Serenade record.

Some of these songs would have ended up in a different place with Gregg collaborating on them. I have to believe there are ideas that would work for the ABB ( the newer jams in Rockin Horse and NOLTRW) that I hope to hear turned into ABB classics someday.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2011 at 04:07 PM
Efus good post,I love the Allmans version of worried down with blues..great great song as far as another song.I would love to hear gregg sing Brand new angel.
 

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I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB.


I think that is something we can all agree on...........but it is a very small field!

Warren is a great singer, guitarist, arranger and a prolific songwriter. I just feel that too many of his songs are interchangeable and unmemorable. I look at the last few Mule albums - Deja Voodoo, High & Mighty, By A Thread - and not too many great songs jump out.

Some of his lyrics also lack polish and can be jarring. How about

We're at a place in history where the bar is at an all time low
We've applauded mediocrity till there is no lower we can go
Art has no place in this world of supersize
Follow the leader to the latest pile of ****
Like flies

And those who peddle it sold their own souls long ago
They would not know the difference between Vin Diesel and Van Gogh
They stare at me with envy with their big green bugging eyes
Spreading filth, buzzing all around my head
Like flies
Like flies

Feast or famine, peace or war - life will get you in the end
Sex, drugs, powerlines and vaccinations - something's going to do you in
There ain't no way of stopping death when it's time for your demise
All my heroes and friends are dropping
Like flies
Like flies

Clumsy stuff, in my opinion.

I've got the greatest respect for Warren in every department. He writes some great songs - I just wish he'd maybe hold on to a few more ideas and work them to a higher standard.

And another personal aside - I wish he would never again indulge in reggae music! It makes me want to leave the room.









[Edited on 3/1/2011 by Shavian]


I agree on his lyrics on the last two albums. They are not up to earlier standards. But Deja Voodoo has some tremendous songs, Slackjaw Jezebel, Bad Man Walking, New World Blues many others. On the last couple of albums they sound like the band worked up the songs and Warren went to a back room to write lyrics *which is actually what happened) The two exceptions are Million Miles From Yesterday and Forevermore both of which he had previously written. I wish Warren would pen lyrics when hit by inspiration and save them for the next album. I also agree on the Ragae.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2011 at 07:55 PM
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Mother Earth
I Shall Be Released


Any of those Blues songs like Mother Earth definitely could have become an Allman collaboration.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2011 at 10:30 PM
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I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB.


The only songwriter in the current band would probably be a more apt description. I remember talking to Kirk West years ago when Dickey was still in the band and saying something like, "I'd love to hear some NEW Gregg tunes." And somehow the response was along the lines of - you mean Gregg and Warren tunes - as if IF Gregg was going to write something it would be with help from Warren. The last thing I can remember being totally credited to Gregg was "Poison" off Searching For Simplicity. All of Gregg's sole compositions have wonderful muiscal contributions from whomever he was workiing with at the time, but they have that unmistakable Gregg thing going for them. I mean Gregg was THE original writer for the band before Dickey. What T-Bone Burnette or even Warren Haynes (for that matter) ought to suggest is that Gregg lock his ass in a room with a guitar or piano and not come out until he writes some new music. T, Warren, Derek and the rest of the band can do their thing after the fact but the songs need to be the fruit of Mr. Allman himself. It's not like he ain't got anything to write about i.e. liver transplant, divorce number (what number is it exactly?)

Efus, I agree with Slowhand's summation of the question itself. I mean why limit it to the Mule and dtb??? It's like ... I wish the ABB would have written "Dazed And Confused" first. Maybe they could have done a better version than the cover they did of Zep's original. Lol! See how ridiculous it gets. Anyway your question has illicited some interesting an intelligent respones so ... it's probably me. Imagine that.

One last point in my ongoing ramble is that I totally agree with Shavian's post which I think is dead on the money. To the point I couldn't have said it any better. Warren has written many great tunes. Some of the overlooked gems being "I Shall Return" and "I'll Be The One". I don't know whether or not the ABB could do 'em justice but if rehash is the order of the day then these get my vote. If the ABB do in fact decide to record a new one, I hope the everyone involved realizes the significance and importance and puts forth the effort accordingly and make something timeless not just a studio version Instant Live which is what it seems several here would settle for.

 

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I totally disagree about Warren who I feel is the best current song writer in the current ABB.


The only songwriter in the current band would probably be a more apt description. I remember talking to Kirk West years ago when Dickey was still in the band and saying something like, "I'd love to hear some NEW Gregg tunes." And somehow the response was along the lines of - you mean Gregg and Warren tunes - as if IF Gregg was going to write something it would be with help from Warren. The last thing I can remember being totally credited to Gregg was "Poison" off Searching For Simplicity. All of Gregg's sole compositions have wonderful muiscal contributions from whomever he was workiing with at the time, but they have that unmistakable Gregg thing going for them. I mean Gregg was THE original writer for the band before Dickey. What T-Bone Burnette or even Warren Haynes (for that matter) ought to suggest is that Gregg lock his ass in a room with a guitar or piano and not come out until he writes some new music. T, Warren, Derek and the rest of the band can do their thing after the fact but the songs need to be the fruit of Mr. Allman himself. It's not like he ain't got anything to write about i.e. liver transplant, divorce number (what number is it exactly?)

Efus, I agree with Slowhand's summation of the question itself. I mean why limit it to the Mule and dtb??? It's like ... I wish the ABB would have written "Dazed And Confused" first. Maybe they could have done a better version than the cover they did of Zep's original. Lol! See how ridiculous it gets. Anyway your question has illicited some interesting an intelligent respones so ... it's probably me. Imagine that.

One last point in my ongoing ramble is that I totally agree with Shavian's post which I think is dead on the money. To the point I couldn't have said it any better. Warren has written many great tunes. Some of the overlooked gems being "I Shall Return" and "I'll Be The One". I don't know whether or not the ABB could do 'em justice but if rehash is the order of the day then these get my vote. If the ABB do in fact decide to record a new one, I hope the everyone involved realizes the significance and importance and puts forth the effort accordingly and make something timeless not just a studio version Instant Live which is what it seems several here would settle for.



The thing I'll say about Gregg and songwriting is this. My observation of the great pop/rock songwriters, even the geniuses is that most of them have a certain amount to say and at a certain point their muse dries up. I have seen this happen with writers such as Ray Davies, Paul McCartney, Pete Townshend, Bruce Springsteen and (in my opinion) Bob Dylan. There are exceptins of course. I think Gregg was a genius of a songwriter in his early 20's on parr with the others I mentioned. But I think his muse dried up a long time ago to write at that level. Dickey continued to write great songs into the 90's mostly on his own. So at this point I think the best we could hope for from Gregg is decent songs through collaboration. We are never going to get another Melissa or Whipping Post from him. I just can't see it happening. We should instead be satisfied and happy that he is healthy and singing and playing at the high level we expect.

 

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