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Obama's Secret Plot To Bring 100 Million Muslims to the US

Fri Feb. 25, 2011 12:01 AM PST

In the past few years, paranoid conservatives have cooked up all sorts of conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama. Some have claimed he has a secret plan to confiscate guns. Others have said he has a secret plan to confiscate IRA accounts. Still others have contended he's setting up clandestine FEMA concentration camps. And, of course, there's the big one: Obama's is an undercover socialist purposefully trying to wreck the US economy so he can implement a dictatorial takeover. But here's the mother of all right-wing conspiracy theories: Obama is scheming to bring tens of millions of Muslims—perhaps up to 100 million—from the Middle East into the United States in order to turn this country into an Islamic nation by the end of his second term.

Fortunately, this diabolical plan has been exposed by an American-born Israeli named Avi Lipkin, who says he once was a translator for the Israeli government, and an outfit called Special Guests, which books conservative commentators and advocates on popular television and radio talk shows. Lipkin's website claims that since 1990 he has lectured on various topics—including the threat of Islam and Israel—in over 1000 churches and synagogues in the United Sates, Canada, England, Greece, Israel, and other countries. His bio notes that he heads the Judeo-Christian Bible Bloc party in Israel. (The party's Facebook page listed 103 members yesterday.)

This week, Lipkin and Special Guests sent an email to television and radio bookers pitching the biggest story of all time:

According to Arabic language broadcasts intercepted and interpreted by Lipkin and his team, "The Moslem world is saying that President Obama wants amnesty for the current Hispanic 12 million illegal immigrants in the US in order to pave the way for the next wave of tens of millions of illegals from the Middle East to the United States, leading to 50 to 100 million Muslims living in the US before the end of Obama’s second term, which will be brought forth by these new US citizens voting for their savior, Obama."

Lipkin, who also goes by the name Victor Mordechai, claims to have "a source with a senior United Nations official" (whatever that means) who says that the United States "will be a Muslim country by the end of Obama's second term." This grand plan is so organized that it even has three parts. Phase One: Obama foments unrest in "each Middle East country" so that these regimes are toppled and replaced by "fanatic" Sunni Mulsims, who go on to "overthrow the competing Shiite regime in Iran without involving American troops." Phase Two: A massive exodus of Muslims heads toward Europe, Canada, and the Unites States, turning all of these Western nations into Muslim countries. Phase Three: The nations now controlled by Islamic extremists "march on Israel in an effort to destroy it" and Obama "keeps his promise…to destroy Israel."

Of course, there's a YouTube video (embedded below) that explains Lipkin's scoop. It's called, "Is Barack Obama Really A Saudi/Muslim 'Plant' in the White House?" The answer is obvious. The video claims that "for years before" the 2008 election, Lipkin's wife, who worked for the Israeli government monitoring Arabic radio broadcasts, picked up broadcasts of Saudis saying, "We will have a a Muslim in the White House in 2008." (Remember Obama's bow before the Saudi king in 2009? Wink, wink.) The video notes that Obama has refused "to reveal" his long-form birth certificate "or anything else about his past." (Convergence with the birthers!) The video suggests that Obama and his crew have pulled off the "greatest…scam in history" and "put an anti-American and Saudi-sponsored Muslim in the White House, thanks to a brain-dead American public and news media, both obsessed with skin color and an American Idol mentality." The video goes on to say that in 2009 Lipkin's wife listened to an Egyptian television broadcast featuring the then-foreign minister saying that Obama had sworn to him that he was a Muslim. Obama—according to Lipkin's account of his wife's account of the foreign minister's account—also told this Egyptian official that after he finished with the health care debate, "You Muslims will see what I will do for Islam regarding Israel."

The video does not specifically cover Obama's secret scheme to bring up to 100 million Muslims into the United States. But isn't that what a Saudi plant would do?

Avi Lipkin puts Glenn Beck to shame as a conspiracy theorist. But though he's on the fringe, he's not on his own. His video has been viewed 2.9 million times. And Special Guests is an outfit that works within the conservative establishment. According to its website, the organization has collaborated with the National Right To Life Committee, the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, the Second Amendment Foundation, and other conservative groups. The site boasts, "We regularly place guests on radio shows including Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity Radio, [and] Michael Savage." The group says it only promotes causes that "are pleasing to The Maker, our Creator." It asks potential clients, "What is your special message? Is it helpful to humanity? Is it God-honoring?" Apparently, it pleases God to accuse the president of covertly plotting—and implementing!—a Muslim takeover of the United States.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/obamas-secret-muslim-plot#




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The amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric is staggering. At work yesterday, myself and a number of co-workers were discussing various topics and Iraq, Muslims etc. came up. Now, two of these guys were combat vets and had been in Iraq and Afghanistan and we were discussing their experiences. Both of them hate, HATE Muslims. There was no differentiation between the radical Muslims that are the enemy and those that are innocent. My friend tells me that he didnt care that he killed innocent people because none of them were innocent. The other guy goes on to talk about how we have a Muslim in the White House. This is the level of intelligence and ignorance thats out there. Both of these guys have been friends of mine for quite some time and its sad that people as smart as they are think that way. I flat out had to tell the one guy that as a US Soldier I would think it would be his duty to differentiate between friend and foe and he says "How do you tell which is which?" My usual reply is the one shooting at you is the enemy. Anyway, the point is that people that think like this will probably always think like this regardless of any logic or truth. It was pretty horrible that he had no qualms about killing people that were not "guilty".

Side story... My wife and I went to the mall to look for a birthday gift for my mom and while there thought we would get a screen protector for my wifes phone. So we stop at one of those little kiosks and the guy is sitting there reading a very old, very beautiful Koran and the minute he saw me, he put it away in shame (or maybe fear?) thinking I might have an issue with that. Its sad that someone cannot follow their own religion without fear due to the massive amount of ignorance, racisim and fear mongering. Are there bad Muslims? Absolutely without a doubt...They are the exception rather than the norm.

 

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There was no differentiation between the radical Muslims that are the enemy and those that are innocent. My friend tells me that he didnt care that he killed innocent people because none of them were innocent.


Ironically, the radical Muslims feel exactly the same way about us. Sad.

 

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Squatch:

Perhaps form the soldiers perspective, in deployment they were attacked by those labeled by somebody as not being a radical faction. Again, you speak on your own arrogance of being more enlightened or intelignet than another. Why don't you ask your "friend" what is up instead of going on a website and passing judgement. Maybe, just maybe, you will have learned something first hand instead of reading it on the internet.

 

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The amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric is staggering. At work yesterday, myself and a number of co-workers were discussing various topics and Iraq, Muslims etc. came up. Now, two of these guys were combat vets and had been in Iraq and Afghanistan and we were discussing their experiences. Both of them hate, HATE Muslims. There was no differentiation between the radical Muslims that are the enemy and those that are innocent. My friend tells me that he didnt care that he killed innocent people because none of them were innocent. The other guy goes on to talk about how we have a Muslim in the White House. This is the level of intelligence and ignorance thats out there. Both of these guys have been friends of mine for quite some time and its sad that people as smart as they are think that way. I flat out had to tell the one guy that as a US Soldier I would think it would be his duty to differentiate between friend and foe and he says "How do you tell which is which?" My usual reply is the one shooting at you is the enemy. Anyway, the point is that people that think like this will probably always think like this regardless of any logic or truth. It was pretty horrible that he had no qualms about killing people that were not "guilty

If you haven't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan I wouldn't pass judgement on those who have.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2011 at 12:06 PM
That's the same logic used in vietnam. When we lose our humanity, this country is doing something wrong. I don't fault the soldiers, but I blame every s.o.b. who is keeping the war going....and yes, until every soldier is out of there, that includes Obama.

 

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Perhaps form the soldiers perspective, in deployment they were attacked by those labeled by somebody as not being a radical faction.


No, you missed what I said apparently. They, as in the soldier I was referring to, made the conscious effort to make no differentiation between innocent and "guilty". To him, all Iraqis were the enemy regardless of whether they carried a weapon, were female, a child etc. He did not care and said so over and over again during the course of our discussion. Then he complained that the Iraqis and Muslims dont like us.... weird huh?

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Again, you speak on your own arrogance of being more enlightened or intelignet than another.


Huh? No, I questioned why he had no problem killing everyone rather than determining who was friend or foe as part of a larger discussion. And it might be best if you are going to slag on someone for their perceived 'intelligence' if you managed to spell the words correctly in your insult unless you want to look stupid.

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Why don't you ask your "friend" what is up instead of going on a website and passing judgement. Maybe, just maybe, you will have learned something first hand instead of reading it on the internet.




First off, I did ask. We had a long conversation about it, probably a good 20 minutes and we were with several others who offered up their opinions. Im amazed that you are apparently some kind of oracle and know what was said in my conversation with my friends and coworkers to the degree that you can pop in, insult me and then pretend that you know what the score is, what was said or anything else. Maybe next time you want to take a shot at me you can do it with some actual knowledge on your own end.

 

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If you haven't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan I wouldn't pass judgement on those who have.


For the most part, I wholeheartedly agree. However, when a US soldier says vehemently that he did not care who he killed, whether they were innocent or not, its pretty bad, wouldnt you agree? I have a problem with innocent people being killed and then the guy doing the killing is complaining that the "people" dislike us over there..how **** ing disconnected from reality does someone have to be to make that leap?. He had no concept of innocent people being caught up in the battles or the concept of minimizing the destruction of non-combat related property or places etc. Towards the end of our discussion, I made the statement that even though I miss not having ever served in the military, I guess I probably wouldnt be very good at it since I would probably try to determine friend from foe. He blamed his ROE for all the issues they faced and I have no doubt that was a huge factor in the problems many have experienced there. That said, I don't believe there is ever an excuse to kill non-combatants either intentionally or negligently and thats been my point all along. Feel free to disagree.

[Edited on 2/25/2011 by SquatchTexas]

 

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  posted on 2/25/2011 at 01:17 PM
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The amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric is staggering.


Now how on earth could something like that be happening?

 

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The amount of anti-Muslim rhetoric is staggering.


Now how on earth could something like that be happening?


Tons of ignorant people take the actions of a very small minority, assign those attributes to everyone they perceive that fits into their little worldview and then mix in bigotry and you get something pretty close to all the Muslim fear mongering we have going on.

Blaming all the Muslims for 9/11 or <insert terrorism here> would be like saying I dont want a Catholic church in my neighborhood for fears that the kids are going to be molested.

Its a great excuse to hate on people that arent like us. Scottys inbreeding thread is a great example of this kind of moronic thinking.

 

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muslim comparisons to cathloics is absurd. catholics are not out for jihad.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2011 at 03:43 PM
I thought we had that already...
 

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muslim comparisons to cathloics is absurd. catholics are not out for jihad.


neither are most Muslims.

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Perhaps form the soldiers perspective, in deployment they were attacked by those labeled by somebody as not being a radical faction.


No, you missed what I said apparently. They, as in the soldier I was referring to, made the conscious effort to make no differentiation between innocent and "guilty". To him, all Iraqis were the enemy regardless of whether they carried a weapon, were female, a child etc. He did not care and said so over and over again during the course of our discussion. Then he complained that the Iraqis and Muslims dont like us.... weird huh?

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Again, you speak on your own arrogance of being more enlightened or intelignet than another.


Huh? No, I questioned why he had no problem killing everyone rather than determining who was friend or foe as part of a larger discussion. And it might be best if you are going to slag on someone for their perceived 'intelligence' if you managed to spell the words correctly in your insult unless you want to look stupid.

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Why don't you ask your "friend" what is up instead of going on a website and passing judgement. Maybe, just maybe, you will have learned something first hand instead of reading it on the internet.




First off, I did ask. We had a long conversation about it, probably a good 20 minutes and we were with several others who offered up their opinions. Im amazed that you are apparently some kind of oracle and know what was said in my conversation with my friends and coworkers to the degree that you can pop in, insult me and then pretend that you know what the score is, what was said or anything else. Maybe next time you want to take a shot at me you can do it with some actual knowledge on your own end.


 

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Good thread Bump ^^^

 

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First off, I did ask. We had a long conversation about it, probably a good 20 minutes and we were with several others who offered up their opinions. Im amazed that you are apparently some kind of oracle and know what was said in my conversation with my friends and coworkers to the degree that you can pop in, insult me and then pretend that you know what the score is, what was said or anything else. Maybe next time you want to take a shot at me you can do it with some actual knowledge on your own end.





Hey man check it out, I just asked a question and offered a possible reason why the man may feel that way. That is all. Again you make it about yourself, like always. If you were insulted by my inquiry. Oh well, now maybe you know how others feel in regrds to you. I imagine you are a grown man and can take it. If not, no sleep lost on my part.

It sucks that some have this opinion of muslims. Untill I or anybody else has walked a mile in thier shoes. Who are we to judge ? Put into a place of life or death. I doubt anybody has the time to weigh every perspective of what right or wrong is or isn't.





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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??

 

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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??


I vaguely remember that one. I don't believe any conspiracies about Obama. I believe he sincerely wants what's best for this country. I think he is completely incompetent. Conservatives who want him out of office in 2012 would do best to focus on why he has not been a good president than secret conspiracy theories.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2011 at 01:29 AM
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muslim comparisons to cathloics is absurd. catholics are not out for jihad.


No, but apparently they like to molest children. All catholics are bad. See? Thats easy.

 

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Hey man check it out, I just asked a question and offered a possible reason why the man may feel that way. That is all.


Nope, you started talking shiat. Your comments here also show you were doing it intentionally and you dont even have the balls to admit it. Shocking...

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Again you make it about yourself, like always.


Considering it was MY conversation with MY friends and MY coworkers, it WAS kind of about ME.

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If you were insulted by my inquiry. Oh well, now maybe you know how others feel in regrds to you. I imagine you are a grown man and can take it. If not, no sleep lost on my part.


LOL...my friend, your inquiry didnt insult me. You came in here looking for a fight and tossed out some comments and got the reply you were looking for.

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It sucks that some have this opinion of muslims. Untill I or anybody else has walked a mile in thier shoes. Who are we to judge ?


Well, feel free to disagree but Im not going to advocate shooting women and children that are not armed or seeking to harm or kill me.

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Put into a place of life or death. I doubt anybody has the time to weigh every perspective of what right or wrong is or isn't.


Yeah, youre probably right, I mean it IS easier to just gun down everyone rather than trying to determine who is or isnt a danger, who is or isnt carrying a weapon etc.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2011 at 02:09 AM
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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??


I personally never said it WOUD happen.....I said things were in place so that it COULD happen. And they were.

 

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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??


You're comparing plural to the singular, so, yes.

 

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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??


No.

Does the fact that there were/are some wack conspiracies out there about Bush (I read he was behind 9/11) make the ones about Obama any more acceptable or believeable?

 

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Setting aside the obviously bogus stuff on this thread - are the wack conspiracies really any different than the ones on here claiming that Presiddnt Bush would declare martial law and refuse to leave office??

No difference. Conspiracy theories provide fun and entertainment for all.

 

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Good Morning Squatch:

yesterday you posted this;

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First off, I did ask. We had a long conversation about it, probably a good 20 minutes and we were with several others who offered up their opinions. Im amazed that you are apparently some kind of oracle and know what was said in my conversation with my friends and coworkers to the degree that you can pop in, insult me and then pretend that you know what the score is, what was said or anything else. Maybe next time you want to take a shot at me you can do it with some actual knowledge on your own end.


Than this morning;

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LOL...my friend, your inquiry didnt insult me. You came in here looking for a fight and tossed out some comments and got the reply you were looking for.




which is it...you got so excited over the context of what YOU were saying and forgot what was said. Gee I wonder if that happened during the twenty minute conversation with your "friend"


I guess you "won" this debate cause you only seem to want to fingerpoint. I never said I advocated anything, just wondered why the man felt that way and offered a reason for it myself. Did you ask the man if while on tour did he witness a woman or child that seemed unarmed for a second blow up his buddies the next. I could then understand his mentality but don't know if I could condone it. What would you have done Squatch ? If you were on patrol and a lil kid came up with a cell phone in his hand and the next minute two of your budies were missing body parts. It would perhaps change your perspective. I already know you didn't ask him those questions and I don't need to be an oracle or spell every word right. It was more important to you to judge the man than try to understand his actions. I guess I'm done talking shiat now. Interesting how you label my comments as such and I was merely emulating you....my hero. Gee, look I had the balls to admit something.

You are an intelligent man but you lack "people" skills and have a poor grasp of "common sense". You take everything apart like a news editior of a paper and correct those in the error of thier ways. Your research skills are commendable, yet you report only part of the story. The old addage goes..."who..what...when...where...and why" Most of the time. you are caught up in the who or what. If questioned, the when and where come to point and rarely do you ever comment on the why.

I also commend you on the work that you do. I used to have an authority issue as a pup. But I grew up and realized life was so much easier being mellow. You know showing love and kindness to others. It is so much more gratifying than being hateful and condenscending of those who posses a differential in belief and understanding.

Have a good day man. I should restate that as "try" to have a good day. I would never want you to think I was telling you what to do. Afterall, now my words cannot be taken out of context. Interesting huh ?

 

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