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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 09:43 AM
Three questions:

1. To what do you attribute the remarkable success of Gregg's album in this day and age?

(T-Bone's name? Covers instead of originals? The constant touring? The impressive media blitz? The fact that this demographic actually BUYS new releases? The long stretch with no new product? The "adult contemporary" feel?)
I do not mean to insult the actual QUALITY of the album at all - obviously that is a factor! - but it is amazing that this thing is doing better than seemingly any other GA/ABB-related release in years.

2. Do you think the success will motivate the ABB to create a new studio release?

3. Do you think they could match the success of this disc?

 
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Three questions:

1. To what do you attribute the remarkable success of Gregg's album in this day and age?

(T-Bone's name? Covers instead of originals? The constant touring? The impressive media blitz? The fact that this demographic actually BUYS new releases? The long stretch with no new product? The "adult contemporary" feel?)
I do not mean to insult the actual QUALITY of the album at all - obviously that is a factor! - but it is amazing that this thing is doing better than seemingly any other GA/ABB-related release in years.

All of the above.

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2. Do you think the success will motivate the ABB to create a new studio release?

Not likely.

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3. Do you think they could match the success of this disc?

Definitely.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 10:25 AM
I am an ABB fan who would like to see a new ABB album with new material. Gregg and Warren had been mentioning new material for a few years and then we get an album of covers. So who knows? I like the new Gregg solo CD. It's a good listen and I have already gone back to it multiple times for a deeper listen. I would put it on par with Clapton's new album, which is to say that I think it shows where age and maturity have landed each of them with respect to what they do best. I don't think that this album would make an ABB or Gregg Allman fan out of someone who isn't already familiar with them/him. But it is definitely a refreshing listen for my ears.
 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 10:29 AM
GA's album is merely a flavor of the month. (IMHO)

Of the 36,000 or so hard copies sold, let's see ?

A)how many are long time fans...
B)how many are in the "cool factor" of seeing him on TV...
C)how many know more about him and Cher than his music...

I wish the man well and am happy for his success. If the ABB had something ready now to release, they'd ride this lil wave as well. Waiting ? The general music buying public have very short attention spans.

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 10:29 AM
It just proves people want to listen to this type of music and that their are alot of fans out there, if the ABB put as much into a new cd as Greg has it too would be a sucsess...

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 10:55 AM
T-Bone, media blitz, really great bunch of songs and performed really well by Gregg....but I don't think there is even 1 song on the LP that could be a filler on any previosly released GA solos.
Harsh ? Just my opinion. Hope it sells 2 million copies.
Could use a touch of Sandlin on the release also.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 10:59 AM
I think that right now T-Bone Burnett is the hot producer and his production style is the hot production style. Mellencamp had a top 10 hit also with his latest T-Bone produced album. I don't say that to take anything away from Gregg Allman's part in it but T-Bone showed up with the hard drive full of songs and put his patented production style on it and away they went. Gregg turned around and sang his ass off, really did a good job interpreting the songs.

Will this motivate the ABB to release a new studio album, I don't think so. Look at Gregg's release, only 2 originals. After 14 years, you'd think GA would have more than 2 new songs in his pocket. Warren Haynes uses Gov't Mule for his new songs. Derek Trucks has his band for output.

And now to contradict what I said, yes I think that they can match that success. The ABB are loaded with great, creative musicians that work well together.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 11:04 AM
Highest Chart positions of Gregg's solo albums over the years...

Laid Back (1973) #13
The Gregg Allman Tour (1974) #50
Playin' Up a Storm (1977) #42
I'm No Angel (!987) #30
Just Before The Bullets Fly (1988) #117
Searching For Simplicity (1997) Didn't chart at all
Low Country Blues (2011) #5

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 11:09 AM
Thats pretty interesting Woods. Are there figures out on the number of copies sold ?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 11:12 AM
1--the high quality of the music.
2.no
3.maybe

 

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Thats pretty interesting Woods. Are there figures out on the number of copies sold ?


According to the searchable database of Gold and Platinum certifications
at the website riaa.com....

Laid Back - certified Gold 3/5/1974
I'm No Angel - certified Gold 11/30/1990

Those were the only 2 listed. Gold is sales in excess of 500,000 copies.
I assume all the other releases didn't sell as much.

http://riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 11:20 AM
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Thats pretty interesting Woods. Are there figures out on the number of copies sold ?


According to the searchable database of Gold and Platinum certifications
at the website riaa.com....

Laid Back - certified Gold 3/5/1974
I'm No Angel - certified Gold 11/30/1990

Those were the only 2 listed. Gold is sales in excess of 500,000 copies.
I assume all the other releases didn't sell as much.

http://riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH


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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 01:24 PM
I'm hearing a steady blitz of songs from the CD on the local college radio station. DJ's preference? Growing younger crowd awareness?

An overall thirst for music of substance?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 03:25 PM
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I'm hearing a steady blitz of songs from the CD on the local college radio station. DJ's preference? Growing younger crowd awareness?

An overall thirst for music of substance?


One can only hope...

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 03:36 PM
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Three questions:

1. To what do you attribute the remarkable success of Gregg's album in this day and age?

(T-Bone's name? Covers instead of originals? The constant touring? The impressive media blitz? The fact that this demographic actually BUYS new releases? The long stretch with no new product? The "adult contemporary" feel?)
I do not mean to insult the actual QUALITY of the album at all - obviously that is a factor! - but it is amazing that this thing is doing better than seemingly any other GA/ABB-related release in years.

2. Do you think the success will motivate the ABB to create a new studio release?

3. Do you think they could match the success of this disc?


Gregg's name, the impressive media blitz and the dearth of decent albums. I do not think the success will motivate the ABB because I do not think they are prepared to tour and do what is necessary to support it.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 04:05 PM
The question was really what are the REASONS for the success. The IMPLICATIONS are interesting too.

In order to continue the success, Gregg will have to keep touring in support of the album. That seems to be the plan, as some European dates have already been announced. I don't think Gregg is as likely to follow Warren or Derek's leads and tour heavily with two bands, so more GA means less ABB.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 04:39 PM
Gregg seems to be having a ball with this, but then again he's seeing life through the eyes of a very lucky individual who just got a second chance on life. He's very fortunate in that regard, he knows it and is extremely grateful for it.

Gregg sounds very interested in a new ABB record, but I doubt he will sway the other originals to agree. I hope I'm wrong. Butch has repeatedly stated in recent (last couple of years) times that he has no interest in ever doing another ABB record and that it's not commercially viable. Perhaps he will have a change of heart someday. Again, I hope so and hope it's sooner than later.

I don't believe I've heard Jaimoe's opinion on that topic.

The rest would do it, I'm quite sure.

Derek is only beginning to write music, and though it's for his band, he may have some ABB oriented ideas banging around.

Warren is the most prolific song writer of the bunch. While it's true that most of this output sees the light of day with the Mule, it's only because he owns that and controls it. I think Warren writes a lot of material that runs the gamut of styles, and he likely has a backlog. He just throws them in separate piles based on where he feels they fit. There may be some overlap, but he sees some of his work as Mule, some as ABB, some as a good fit for Gregg, some for his own solo acoustic work, some for his new project, some for non-ABB related artists, and probably some he doesn't even have a category for that are loose ends.

I'll bet Warren has enough "ABB" style songs on a shelf somewhere that are waiting for the right time or perhaps just need further development either from himself or with input from others.

I'll bet there's enough material around between them for a new record, but it's a question of is it cohesive enough to be on one release and can you get the drummers buy in to do it.

We obviously would all love it. It's anybody's guess as to whether it will ever happen.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 04:44 PM
1. To what do you attribute the remarkable success of Gregg's album in this day and age?

(T-Bone's name? Covers instead of originals? The constant touring? The impressive media blitz? The fact that this demographic actually BUYS new releases? The long stretch with no new product? The "adult contemporary" feel?)
I do not mean to insult the actual QUALITY of the album at all - obviously that is a factor! - but it is amazing that this thing is doing better than seemingly any other GA/ABB-related release in years.

What ABB/GA release?? Gregg hasn't put a solo album out in 14 years and the ABB hasn't put a studio album out in eight years.

Past that, heck yes - T Bone. Since he put together the O Brother, Where ArtThou? soundtrack ten years ago that sold EIGHT million copies, he has been on a roll. He brings the music down to the roots level. I've read some comments on here about the acoustic bass up loud in the mix, I guess I'm too used to hearing an acoustic bass live (probably more than electric bass during the course of a year) because it sounds right to me, like you're in an old blues club back in the day. And again, the free listens to not do the album justice as you need to hear it in full sound. But T-Bone has even brought Robert Plant around to a whole new sound based on what is real and rootsy with the Alison Krauss collaboration, and the recent John Mellencamp album he produced debuted at Number 2 if I remember right. The Rober Plant and the new Gregg CD are on Rounder Records. Go and look through their catalog from over the years and you'll see what the deal is with a small label that could.

Past that, what was said above - T Bone got Gregg motivated and an actual studio album was produced, which in the modern era of anything Allman Brother related is a miracle.. And the good folks at Big Hassle, whom I work with often, have done a great job of getting the word out as far as PR goes.

Plus, there are songs on this album that truly get to the heart of Gregg's voice and passion for the blues. There are some quotes from Gregg in the PR stuff for this project that stand out including this telling one;

The band was just a bitch, man,” Allman says. “It’s not all just a wall of guitars – not that there’s anything at all wrong with The Brothers, because that’s very, very tasty.”

....and here are some quotes from Gregg about what T-Bone contributed tio the process;

“He (T-Bone) told me some guy gave him a hard drive, it has 10,000 obscure blues songs,” Allman says. “He says, ‘I’m gonna pick out twenty of ‘em and send ‘em to ya and you tell me what you think.’ He said, ‘They’re old, like Billie Holliday old, and when you listen to ‘em, I want you to think about us gettin’ in there and about bringin’ ‘em up to today.’ .....T Bone knew that that (Dr. John) being there would put a certain fire in my ass. It was so good seeing Dr. John, both of us being sober. ‘Cause last time I saw him, both of us were pretty much nose to the floor. He’s such a nice dude, he’s funny, God, is he funny. Before he was so stoned, it didn’t really come out full force, but oh man, he is hilarious!....First takes scare me to death. They really do. On about three or maybe four of ‘em, Bone comes over the microphone, ‘Alright, we got it.’ I said, ‘Well wait, hold it, hold it! What do you mean got it? We just ran it down!’ ‘No, we got it.’ I went back in the control room, I said, ‘Man, I know I can get it better than that.’ He says, ‘What’s wrong with that?’ I said, ‘Well, nothin’s wrong with it, I just think I can do it with a little more interesting feel.’ So we went back out there, I tried, man, I tried as hard as I could. Nope.”



2. Do you think the success will motivate the ABB to create a new studio release?

Doubt it, but you never know. Warren and Derek have brought the new songs to their own bands as they should. We'll see.

3. Do you think they could match the success of this disc?

Maybe, but that's not a given, especially if they go the classic rock retro "In The Mystic," Drove Dixie Down" mode. If they bring fire, anything is possible. But do I see Warren and Derek getting that fired up for an ABB new CD onslaught move?? No.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 06:51 PM
The publicity regarding Gregg's liver transplant last year put his name all over the media more than it had been in ages.........for the first time in years, Gregg Allman became a topic of discussion for people of all different ages who knew who he was but never owned any records. Then seven months after that, the record comes out. Oh yeah.......Gregg Allman.......liver transplant........huh? New record? Too bad to have to go through such a life threatening emergency, but for publicity reasons, the timing looks perfect.

[Edited on 1/30/2011 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 06:52 PM
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1--the high quality of the music.
2.no
3.maybe



LOL! It is certainly quality music, not just the flavor of the day. That is evident with the large number of threads on this very board started about Gregg and the new record.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 07:07 PM
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I'm hearing a steady blitz of songs from the CD on the local college radio station. DJ's preference? Growing younger crowd awareness?

An overall thirst for music of substance?


He is a voice and name known to all who listen to "Classic rock" on the radio/Sirius....add, this is his first new release in how many years?

It's his time.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2011 at 07:38 PM
I think Gregg is finally getting the recognittion and respect he deserves.


He is a living legend. A rock god!

People have realized we almost lost him and everybody loves a survivor.

Most of all it is really great music!

T Bone certainly deserves credit for recognizing a great blues singer and finding the right music and production for him. But Gregg is the show!

I saw two of G&F shows in January and more than half the audience was the younger generation, under 30 I would say. They loved him.
Tickets were sold out weeks before those two shows.

It's Gregg and he is the best and I love his G&F shows.

I love the ABB too, but, I doubt they will make another album. They are all involved with their other bands. But we can always hope.


 

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  posted on 1/30/2011 at 01:55 AM
Could it mean, dare I say, THE END OF THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND?????

 

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  posted on 1/30/2011 at 08:29 AM
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T Bone. Since he put together the O Brother, Where ArtThou? soundtrack ten years ago that sold EIGHT million copies, he has been on a roll. He brings the music down to the roots level. I've read some comments on here about the acoustic bass up loud in the mix, I guess I'm too used to hearing an acoustic bass live (probably more than electric bass during the course of a year) because it sounds right to me, like you're in an old blues club back in the day. And again, the free listens to not do the album justice as you need to hear it in full sound. But T-Bone has even brought Robert Plant around to a whole new sound based on what is real and rootsy with the Alison Krauss collaboration, and the recent John Mellencamp album he produced debuted at Number 2 if I remember right. The Rober Plant and the new Gregg CD are on Rounder Records. Go and look through their catalog from over the years and you'll see what the deal is with a small label that could.



i agree that T- Bone is hot as can be right now & i've respected his work since Dylan's Rolling Thunder Tour in '75.His work with Gregg is fantastic & he truly brought out the best in Gregg.

But,listen to Plant on Band of Joy(with Buddy Miller & Patty Griffin) & compare the sound & production to Raising Sand.

i love Allison & the intent of Raising Sand & the live VH-1 classic concert they showed of Plant/Krauss,but the album sucks due to the terribly muddy,bass/drum overload.But,it's more than the bass--the album is stuck in a subway station.T-Bone killed that album & Buddy Miller & Plant set it straight,with the same intent & genres,& an expansion of the concept on Band of Joy.

Also,Plant was already headed in the musical direction he ended up taking incorporating Bluegrass,alt,fuzz tones,etc. on his own.T- Bone helped alot in the formulation & concept,but he killed the actual album.

T-Bone was a key contributor of the Leon(Elton) comeback album,but again,the type of music they played is not a good match for the T- Bone sound.But,his big name certainly was!

T-Bone is,despite this great work with Gregg,another Daniel Lanois,who's albums all sound alike. (with Lanois it's that swampy thing sound going on).In fact,Dylan began to self produce(as Jack Frost) after Lanois....

KInda like when the ref or coach gets bigger than the players in sports--you need the ref & coach & you(may) need a producer in most instances,but it's about the player--or the musician,not to be overshadowed by the producer. In Gregg's case it all works perfectly!



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  posted on 1/30/2011 at 09:06 AM
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T-Bone, media blitz, really great bunch of songs and performed really well by Gregg....but I don't think there is even 1 song on the LP that could be a filler on any previosly released GA solos.
Harsh ? Just my opinion. Hope it sells 2 million copies.
Could use a touch of Sandlin on the release also.


 

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