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  posted on 1/12/2011 at 09:56 AM
Here we go. Make the people pay for the government overspending and putting the citizens into debt. I wonder how the people of Illinois and the businesses there are going to feel about this. thank god Indiana has a balanced budget amendment and by law they can't spend more than they take in. Maybe that is one of the reasons Indianapolis is one of 3 cities in the USA with a triple A credit rating from all 3 agencies.

BTW, if you live in Illinois, please don't come to Indiana looking for a job or a place to live. Unless, of course, you are bringing jobs with you. Businesses welcome, freeloaders, not so much.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703791904576076242930445466.h tml

Illinois House Passes Big Income-Tax Increase

By LAUREN ETTER And DOUGLAS BELKIN

The Illinois House passed a massive income-tax increase to help the state dig out of a $13 billion deficit, despite opposition from Republicans and business groups.

The measure passed by a vote of 60 to 57 and was sent to the Illinois Senate, where it was expected to pass late Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. A new legislature, with narrower Democratic majorities in both houses, will be sworn in at noon.

Among the increases in the bill, the individual income-tax rate would jump to 5%, from 3%. That would cost a family of three making $60,000 about $1,080 more each year in income taxes, according to figures from the Illinois Policy Institute, a nonpartisan free-market think tank. The corporation tax would also rise to 7% from 4.8%.

Gov. Pat Quinn came to the House floor to shake hands and congratulate lawmakers after the vote.

"So far so good, but we have work to do; we've got to work with our senators," he told a reporter before getting into an elevator after the vote.

Proponents said the bill was necessary to forestall a wave of public and private defaults, layoffs and foreclosures if the state didn't start paying its bills.

"The wolf is at the door ladies and gentlemen," said Democratic Rep. Greg Harris.

But the leadership failed to win over some rank-and-file members or a single member of the Republican minority, who said the measure would hurt economic growth and working families. Opponents also objected to a spending provision within the bill that would hold growth to 2% a year, arguing the state needs actual cuts.

"We're not taking responsibility for our irresponsibility," said Republican Rep. Roger Eddy. "We're saying to the people of Illinois we're making up for our mistakes on your back."

Illinois is one of few states considering big income tax increases to address budget woes. In California, Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, proposed Monday to close the state's $25 billion budget shortfall by making steep service cuts and extending temporary increases on sales and income taxes.

Many Republican and Democratic governors across the U.S. have said they wouldn't support significant income-tax increases amid high unemployment and a weak, albeit recovering, economy, said Ron Snell, senior fellow with the National Conference of State Legislatures.

That means lawmakers will likely turn to budget cuts amid dwindling federal funds, growing Medicaid costs and state revenues that are increasing at a sluggish pace. "This is going to be the hardest budget to put together of any since the recession began" for state lawmakers nationwide, Mr. Snell said.

Illinois, like many other states, saw its revenue fall sharply during the recession, and its economic recovery has been modest.

But for years, the state has avoided tax increases or significant budget cuts by covering its deficits with short-term measures, putting off bills and paying less than is recommended into the state's pension fund.

The state's debt exploded in 2003, under then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich, when Illinois sold $10 billion in 30-year bonds to shore up pension systems and reduce the deficit.

Today, lawmakers are scrambling to dig out of a hole that equals half of the general-fund budget of $26 billion.

"What we have to do is pay our bills," said state Senate President John Cullerton, a Democrat. "That's a huge, important part of our national image as well as important to our economy. We also have to make sure our bond rating is improved."

The bill would scale back tax increases if the state breaches certain spending limits.

The package included a measure to authorize borrowing $3.7 billion to make a pension payment. However, an increase in the cigarette tax and a measure to use roughly $8.5 billion in debt to pay down past-due bills failed.

The state has an enormous backlog in overdue payments to hospitals, social-service agencies and others.

Republicans and business advocates voiced their opposition.

"Illinois has been an economic boon to Florida," said Collin Hitt director of policy for the Illinois Policy Institute. "Through a slow drip, we've lost thousands of taxpayers. If this bill passes, it will probably burst the pipes."

Lawmakers are also working to keep the state's bond rating from deteriorating even further.

Frank Mautino, assistant majority leader in the House said Tuesday that credit-rating agency Moody's Investors Service sent a letter suggesting the state's bond rating could fall further if there's no progress on the bill.

A spokesman for Moody's said: "We have communications with issuers to understand the status of their initiatives that have credit implications."

Municipal bond market participants remained skeptical Tuesday that Illinois would handle its budget problems.





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BTW, if you live in Illinois, please don't come to Indiana looking for a job or a place to live. Unless, of course, you are bringing jobs with you. Businesses welcome, freeloaders, not so much.



Tell me why a person wanting to work is a freeloader ? If Indiana is doing so swell, extra jobs should be available. If they get a job and pay rent/mortgage, utilities, food, gas and taxes. Seems that kinda/sorta makes em just like people already there. Just from someplace else.

 

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Believe me, nobody "wants" to move to Indiana............

 

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JPB raising the bar on immigration paranoia! No Inter- state immigration!!!

 

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Believe me, nobody "wants" to move to Indiana............


**** Indiana.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2011 at 02:17 PM
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Believe me, nobody "wants" to move to Indiana............
**** Indiana.
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  posted on 1/12/2011 at 07:05 PM
Indiana is a paradise? Is that why you didn't move to Belize? Belize has a balanced budget amendment, so why not?
 

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  posted on 1/26/2011 at 01:41 PM
Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/

 

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Indiana where the men are men and the sheep are very scared

 

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**** Indiana.

 

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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


It is very sad.

 

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Indiana where the men are men and the sheep are very scared


Having gone to an all-male college in Indiana, I take deep personal offense to that statement.






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Seems to be a rash of these lately. In NJ, the Bloods are now targeting cops. Isn't that wonderful?

My father and some friends started an all volunteer foundation, which I am part of as well, that tries to help the families who are victims of such events. 100 cents on the dollar goes to the families. It started with USMC and federal law enforcement but has since branched out to local and others. They have given away over $45 million since 1995.

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  posted on 1/26/2011 at 02:51 PM
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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them. Those who already own those extended clips which have zero practical use unless you are military or law enforcement personnel should have to hand them in by a certain time. After that if somebody gets caught with one they should be charged with a crime. Enough of these immature weekend warriors who think they have the right to own every weapon with any paraphernalia that are made for it even these extended clips so they can go out on the weekend and play GI Joe at the gun range. They can still have their fun with the normal clip that holds six or seven rounds. Nobody took their toys away when that ban was in effect. Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story. There is ZERO practical use for everyday American citizens owning those extended clips!!! ZERO PRACTICALITY!!!!!

We also need some special punishments handed out to those brazen enough to murder the salt of the earth law enforcement personnel who work to protect people they don't even know on a daily basis. Maybe torture isn't such a bad idea for cop killing scumbags. This is getting way out of hand in this country.

 

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Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story.


The guy used a glock at point blank range. The regular flush fitting clip is 15+1. There were six people killed. Sorry, don't mean to be a total loony gun guy, but it drives me crazy after every shooting in the country, there is never a discussion on people's behavior. I realize we can't ban morons, but banning guns and saying that extended ammo clips are to blame just doesn't fly for me. I don't know what the answer is.

I am a gun owner and NRA member and I don't always agree with either of those groups. I think there should be some sort of mental evaluation, more stringent background checks and safety training that goes along with buying a gun. Getting a gun, even legally, is a tad too easy. There is no way that Loughner should have ever had a weapon, particularly with his past. Then again, he was nuts. If Walmart didn't sell it to him, some dude on the street would have.

 

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They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them.


What good is that gonna do when in MOST cases criminals use them and not law abiding citizens. I hope you don't think that making them illegal will make it go away? All it will do is make the price go up, sheesh. AND they will still be easily obtainable.

 

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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them. Those who already own those extended clips which have zero practical use unless you are military or law enforcement personnel should have to hand them in by a certain time. After that if somebody gets caught with one they should be charged with a crime. Enough of these immature weekend warriors who think they have the right to own every weapon with any paraphernalia that are made for it even these extended clips so they can go out on the weekend and play GI Joe at the gun range. They can still have their fun with the normal clip that holds six or seven rounds. Nobody took their toys away when that ban was in effect. Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story. There is ZERO practical use for everyday American citizens owning those extended clips!!! ZERO PRACTICALITY!!!!!

We also need some special punishments handed out to those brazen enough to murder the salt of the earth law enforcement personnel who work to protect people they don't even know on a daily basis. Maybe torture isn't such a bad idea for cop killing scumbags. This is getting way out of hand in this country.




Your ignorance on this subject is glaringly obvious to all but yourself.

 

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Having gone to an all-male college in Indiana, I take deep personal offense to that
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The sheep love us.



I was right in the middle of a drink of water which you made me spit out from laughing.

 

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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them. Those who already own those extended clips which have zero practical use unless you are military or law enforcement personnel should have to hand them in by a certain time. After that if somebody gets caught with one they should be charged with a crime. Enough of these immature weekend warriors who think they have the right to own every weapon with any paraphernalia that are made for it even these extended clips so they can go out on the weekend and play GI Joe at the gun range. They can still have their fun with the normal clip that holds six or seven rounds. Nobody took their toys away when that ban was in effect. Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story. There is ZERO practical use for everyday American citizens owning those extended clips!!! ZERO PRACTICALITY!!!!!

We also need some special punishments handed out to those brazen enough to murder the salt of the earth law enforcement personnel who work to protect people they don't even know on a daily basis. Maybe torture isn't such a bad idea for cop killing scumbags. This is getting way out of hand in this country.




Your ignorance on this subject is glaringly obvious to all but yourself.


Bull$hit Alan!!!!! What practical use do those clips have????? Name just one Einstein??? You seem to think you are the smartest person in the world on all of these gun subjects but if you haven't been paying attention the vast majority of people in this country want those extended clips banned like they already were and would find your opinion on the subject to be ignorant. You gun lovers are too much. And whoever think that 30 or more bullets in a clip instead of six, seven, or even 15 didn't make a difference in that Arizona shooting are not using the brain that God gave you. Your argument is just plain stupid. Life for the army man wannabes who feel the need to play with military type weapons was just fine when those extended clips were banned.

So keep throwing out ignorant insults about my ignorance Alan. Sticks and stones!

 

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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them. Those who already own those extended clips which have zero practical use unless you are military or law enforcement personnel should have to hand them in by a certain time. After that if somebody gets caught with one they should be charged with a crime. Enough of these immature weekend warriors who think they have the right to own every weapon with any paraphernalia that are made for it even these extended clips so they can go out on the weekend and play GI Joe at the gun range. They can still have their fun with the normal clip that holds six or seven rounds. Nobody took their toys away when that ban was in effect. Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story. There is ZERO practical use for everyday American citizens owning those extended clips!!! ZERO PRACTICALITY!!!!!

We also need some special punishments handed out to those brazen enough to murder the salt of the earth law enforcement personnel who work to protect people they don't even know on a daily basis. Maybe torture isn't such a bad idea for cop killing scumbags. This is getting way out of hand in this country.




Your ignorance on this subject is glaringly obvious to all but yourself.


Bull$hit Alan!!!!! What practical use do those clips have????? Name just one Einstein??? You seem to think you are the smartest person in the world on all of these gun subjects but if you haven't been paying attention the vast majority of people in this country want those extended clips banned like they already were and would find your opinion on the subject to be ignorant. You gun lovers are too much. And whoever think that 30 or more bullets in a clip instead of six, seven, or even 15 didn't make a difference in that Arizona shooting are not using the brain that God gave you. Your argument is just plain stupid. Life for the army man wannabes who feel the need to play with military type weapons was just fine when those extended clips were banned.

So keep throwing out ignorant insults about my ignorance Alan. Sticks and stones!


Seems to me you said it all there, bro. Arizona is but one example.

 

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Looks like Indiana has it's own problems.....this is sad.........


Officer shot in Indianapolis dies, officials say
29-year-old was shot during a weekend traffic stop



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41274800/ns/us_news/


They need to reinstate the ban on those extended ammo clips and make it illegal to own them. Those who already own those extended clips which have zero practical use unless you are military or law enforcement personnel should have to hand them in by a certain time. After that if somebody gets caught with one they should be charged with a crime. Enough of these immature weekend warriors who think they have the right to own every weapon with any paraphernalia that are made for it even these extended clips so they can go out on the weekend and play GI Joe at the gun range. They can still have their fun with the normal clip that holds six or seven rounds. Nobody took their toys away when that ban was in effect. Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story. There is ZERO practical use for everyday American citizens owning those extended clips!!! ZERO PRACTICALITY!!!!!

We also need some special punishments handed out to those brazen enough to murder the salt of the earth law enforcement personnel who work to protect people they don't even know on a daily basis. Maybe torture isn't such a bad idea for cop killing scumbags. This is getting way out of hand in this country.



In New York murder of a law enforcement officer is considered first degree rather than second degree murder. Not sure the practical difference with no death penalty but it still is considered different.

 

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Lives would have been saved in that Arizona shooting had he not had the extended ammo clip. End of story.


The guy used a glock at point blank range. The regular flush fitting clip is 15+1. There were six people killed. Sorry, don't mean to be a total loony gun guy, but it drives me crazy after every shooting in the country, there is never a discussion on people's behavior. I realize we can't ban morons, but banning guns and saying that extended ammo clips are to blame just doesn't fly for me. I don't know what the answer is.

I am a gun owner and NRA member and I don't always agree with either of those groups. I think there should be some sort of mental evaluation, more stringent background checks and safety training that goes along with buying a gun. Getting a gun, even legally, is a tad too easy. There is no way that Loughner should have ever had a weapon, particularly with his past. Then again, he was nuts. If Walmart didn't sell it to him, some dude on the street would have.


Six were killed but 15 were shot I believe. And if he only had six rounds he might not have killed them all. Perhaps he missed a few times. And there have been many cases where nuts have wildly sprayed rooms and hurt and killed a lot of people in a way that would have been impossible with only six bullets.

 

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You can't stop crazy. They will find a way if they want to. Look at what we do at the airports and you still have the Moscow incident. It doesn't matter what you ban or take away, they will always find another way.

 

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You can't stop crazy. They will find a way if they want to. Look at what we do at the airports and you still have the Moscow incident. It doesn't matter what you ban or take away, they will always find another way.


Those were organized terrorists. That's a different kettle of fish. The thing is with less firepower there might be less victims per incident.

 

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You can't stop crazy. They will find a way if they want to. Look at what we do at the airports and you still have the Moscow incident. It doesn't matter what you ban or take away, they will always find another way.


Those were organized terrorists. That's a different kettle of fish. The thing is with less firepower there might be less victims per incident.


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