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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 06:01 PM
I have noticed lately that a number of musicians have been doing cover albums (Gregg Allman,Steve miller,santana to name a few) What do you think of cover albums?.I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas and bringing out a cover album will keep their loyal fans happy.
 
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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 06:54 PM
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I have noticed lately that a number of musicians have been doing cover albums (Gregg Allman,Steve miller,santana to name a few) What do you think of cover albums?.I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas and bringing out a cover album will keep their loyal fans happy.


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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 07:03 PM
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I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas...

Or it could mean that the artist wants to pay homage to songs that he holds finds particularly meaningful, relevant, etc.........

 

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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 07:05 PM
I liked the two Tesla Real to Reel albums. Also enjoyed the Rush EP Feedback.
 

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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 07:12 PM
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I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas...

Or it could mean that the artist wants to pay homage to songs that he holds finds particularly meaningful, relevant, etc.........


good point...as long as the music's good,i'm more than ok w/it.I enjoy other artist's takes on songs.....

 

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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 09:19 PM
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I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas...

Or it could mean that the artist wants to pay homage to songs that he holds finds particularly meaningful, relevant, etc.........


good point...as long as the music's good,i'm more than ok w/it.I enjoy other artist's takes on songs.....


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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 11:25 PM
It could be either........no ideas left or paying homage. Then it could be a band just wanted to have a lil fun ? Alot of "covers" cds are weak and come across with a band trying to impress with who they covered and not how well they did it.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2011 at 11:32 PM
If the songs are re-interpreted and some new aspects are revealed, which Gregg Allman usually does very well (often rewriting them in the progress), then the album is warranted and often very appealing. Clapton's new album is like that. Santana's is dreck - dreadful near-carbon copies of songs best left uncovered. Tesla's Reel To Real albums were fun but not far removed from the original versions. They seemed to be using the records to break in their new guitar player and give the fans a glimpse of their formative years. Rush was paying homage to their influences and formative years for their 30th Anniversary.

A band like Jazz Is Dead covers Grateful Dead songs but is mostly using them as a framework for musical exploration. This can be said of a lot of jazz & blues albums which often predominantly feature cover songs. I like those better than just straight-up covers records. Usually I'd prefer the originals and view the straight cover albums as a sign the artists are out of ideas. Sometimes the record companies are to blame too.

A covers album by an established band/artist should bring something new to light about the songs or take the performer out of their comfort zone. Otherwise, why bother doing a whole album?

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 12:07 AM
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A covers album by an established band/artist should bring something new to light about the songs or take the performer out of their comfort zone. Otherwise, why bother doing a whole album?


To have some fun and relive a part of your life that holds merit to the formative years of being a musician. That unique place in your heart that expresses where you came from.

I personaly don't buy into changing another's tune too much if it isn't that far removed from what you do. Of course I wouldn't expect Slayer to do a carbon copy version of an ABB tune. That being my point, if it is a stretch music wise from what you usually bring to the table. Make it just that. A stretch. If it's something you played in the garage, the clubs, and wanna go back to that place again. What is wrong with doing it to have a lil fun.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 12:30 AM
What defines a "cover" album? I keep hearing that Gregg's is a cover album but he only wrote or cowrote 4 of 13 songs on Searing For Simplicity. Does that make it a cover album? In general, Gregg only writes about half the songs on every solo album that he has released. I have never understood why some people think he is a song writing machine.

He got a chance to work with a very popular producer and was wise to go with it. But covering others songs is hardly new for him nor is singing the blues. The difference is that bands like Rush and Tesla covered rock bands and tunes that many have heard countless times. But I also think those stand out as covers because their groups always wrote all the songs on their albums.

Clapton's albums are similar except for when he covers only one artist. Then it seems like a tribute/cover album but again Clapton has always played many songs written by others.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 08:43 AM
It's alright from time to time.

But I think what bothers me more when an artist does albums that has a different guest artist on every track. I can see doing that once and I am fine with that , but some people
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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 11:41 AM
I still remember the huge fan revolt when Van Halen released Diver Down and its (gasp!) five covers.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 12:22 PM
jeff Healy has a good cover album of blues tunes.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 12:48 PM
Joe Cocker's entire career is built on covers.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 01:16 PM
Jeff Healey's "Cover to Cover" is IMHO, far and away his best studio effort. I've always felt Healey's covers were better than his originals.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 01:17 PM
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If the songs are re-interpreted and some new aspects are revealed, which Gregg Allman usually does very well (often rewriting them in the progress), then the album is warranted and often very appealing. Clapton's new album is like that. Santana's is dreck - dreadful near-carbon copies of songs best left uncovered. Tesla's Reel To Real albums were fun but not far removed from the original versions. They seemed to be using the records to break in their new guitar player and give the fans a glimpse of their formative years. Rush was paying homage to their influences and formative years for their 30th Anniversary.

A band like Jazz Is Dead covers Grateful Dead songs but is mostly using them as a framework for musical exploration. This can be said of a lot of jazz & blues albums which often predominantly feature cover songs. I like those better than just straight-up covers records. Usually I'd prefer the originals and view the straight cover albums as a sign the artists are out of ideas. Sometimes the record companies are to blame too.

A covers album by an established band/artist should bring something new to light about the songs or take the performer out of their comfort zone. Otherwise, why bother doing a whole album?


How about this? I like your premise, but was just thinking, the songs on Clapton's From the Cradle stay VERY true to the originals, yet, I don't find the album lacking or uninspired . . .

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 03:31 PM
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Joe Cocker's entire career is built on covers.

+1, but he is usually able to make those songs his own.

I think the quality of cover albums really depend on the approach you take to making them, I like the approach Clapton or Gregg have shown in their latest ventures of rediscovering songs from an often forgotten time, giving them a fresher sound while still retaining that old fashioned charm, as opposed to what Santana did, Rod Stewart's latest album fails to give anything new to the songs he covered.

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 04:32 PM
I remember several years ago I was driving in my car listening to a Rush album and said to myself "this is one band that can NEVER play anyone else's songs. They were a completely original band.

About a day later, their version of "Summertime Blues" debuted on the radio! I couldn't believe it! I was just thinking about it, and then it happens, they release a covers album!

FEEDBACK was just a one off covers "EP" containing tracks that inspired their music and sound. Includes "For What It's Worth" "Mr. Soul" and a few others.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 04:38 PM
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I have noticed lately that a number of musicians have been doing cover albums (Gregg Allman,Steve miller,santana to name a few) What do you think of cover albums?.I don't care for them because in many ways it shows that these artists lack songwriting ideas and bringing out a cover album will keep their loyal fans happy.


I'm with you there....In Gregg's case, a new CD with nothing but original compositions would have been rockin'...when the guy sets his mind to it he is a helluva songwriter. I won't be buying his latest release... Kind of reminds me of what's going on in Hollywood...no New thoughts, but plenty of "re-makes"...

A good example..."True Grit"...c'mon man!..... Somebody use their brain, come up with some NEW ideas...

Please.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 05:27 PM
I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think True Grit is a good example, seeing as the new version is infinitely superior to the original in many ways. If anything, that movie is a good argument for why it sometimes makes sense to revisit the past.

The "cover" songs on Gregg's new album are another example of a case where the new version is superior to the original. I've never heard the original 78s of songs like "Floating Bridge," but I'd be pretty surprised if they were half as good as Gregg's version.

 
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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 05:41 PM
Good thread.

I get mad at folk like Phil Collins, he just released a record where he got as many of the original musicians that played on the tracks that he was covering ... into the studio to recreate the sound of the original sessions as near as possible ... I don't get it ... I really can't see the point. Rod Stewarts effort was similar ... dreadful. But my Mom digs it .... so I guess it's a one man's poison thing.




 

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but I don't think True Grit is a good example, seeing as the new version is infinitely superior to the original in many ways.


Disagree. One man's opinion. Remakes are hardly ever as god as the original.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 08:27 PM
When theres songs iv'e never heard before thats what
keeps it interesting to me.The mainstream crap i have no
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If the songs are re-interpreted and some new aspects are revealed, which Gregg Allman usually does very well (often rewriting them in the progress), then the album is warranted and often very appealing. Clapton's new album is like that. Santana's is dreck - dreadful near-carbon copies of songs best left uncovered. Tesla's Reel To Real albums were fun but not far removed from the original versions. They seemed to be using the records to break in their new guitar player and give the fans a glimpse of their formative years. Rush was paying homage to their influences and formative years for their 30th Anniversary.

A band like Jazz Is Dead covers Grateful Dead songs but is mostly using them as a framework for musical exploration. This can be said of a lot of jazz & blues albums which often predominantly feature cover songs. I like those better than just straight-up covers records. Usually I'd prefer the originals and view the straight cover albums as a sign the artists are out of ideas. Sometimes the record companies are to blame too.

A covers album by an established band/artist should bring something new to light about the songs or take the performer out of their comfort zone. Otherwise, why bother doing a whole album?


How about this? I like your premise, but was just thinking, the songs on Clapton's From the Cradle stay VERY true to the originals, yet, I don't find the album lacking or uninspired . . .


That's true. That was more of a tribute record or an exercise in bringing blues to the masses which was pretty successful. Similarly with his Robert Johnson records, he was working through his own infatuation with Johnson. There are many reasons to do covers but I still think full albums of covers are usually a bad sign.

There are so many blues albums that feature covers I rarely think of them as covers albums. It seems like the blues tradition is to carry forward the music of those who came before. Aw, Hell, I can understand both sides of the issue but I'd prefer if bands would focus on making more original music. I like some covers albums and hate others.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2011 at 08:52 PM
I don't care for them as i tend to like the original versions and those are the ones I want to hear when i see Santana I want Black Magic Woman Not sunshine of your love Cream did it much better.. Kinda like a ABB show full of guests just ruins it for me I want to hear the ABB.

 

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