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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 10:20 PM
I really miss the Grace Potter I met and saw in 2007.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/603090/grace-potter-and-the-nocturnals-and-an n-and-nancy-wilson-of-heart-perform-crazy-on-you.jhtml

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 11:31 PM
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btw,I like Grace now as much as i ever have (which is a lot)..LOVE the "new" line-up...They were fantastic in Memphis a few months ago...

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 11:53 PM
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I really miss the Grace Potter I met and saw in 2007.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/603090/grace-potter-and-the-nocturnals-and-an n-and-nancy-wilson-of-heart-perform-crazy-on-you.jhtml

[Edited on 12/7/2010 by biodtl5]


I am with you here. While I am glad for the success she is having, the change in sound and attitude "diva" is a bit off-putting.

I will say that our Gracie was taylor made for this kind of success, so the increased production of her latest release as well as the "divafication" was almost expected. I do miss the days of seeing her 4 piece in a small club, but she is a rock star now.

I saw the video for "Paris" on Vh-1 this morning and I can say it was a much better song a few years ago. Now it might be the the next best song on Top 40. It kind of sucked. IMHO.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 12:09 AM
That clip did nothing for me. GP is pretty pretty and all, but that prancing around the catwalk while Big Ann was singing...I don't know. Whatever pays the bills I guess.
 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:12 AM
I sort of have mixed feelings about the "new" Grace. I'm happy for her success and all, but the new album, while good, just seems too poppy and overproduced. Which seems to mirror her stage persona and the new direction (if that's the correct way to describe the new line-up) of the band. But hey, I'm still a fan, and it's her life, so good for her.
 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:20 AM
Grace started a bit slow, but kicked it into gear, and I'm a fan of the Wilson sisters, glad to see them still out there "kicking it out" 34 years later.....

Having seen her open for the NMAS back in 2005, I can dig what some here are saying, but really, I have a hard time getting worked up about Grace Potter performing in a Tina Turner outfit on a program called "Divas". In fact I think I'll watch it again.....

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:36 AM
I've never been able to appreciate Grace Potter's music ( Her physical atributes ? Oh , yeah . ) . She and her Nocturnals opened for Mule a few years back at the Tabernacle .... they were , and still are an oyster bar band with a super hot singer/rhythm guitar & organist .

You want sexiness backed by talent and ability ? Pat Benatar .

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:48 AM
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I've never been able to appreciate Grace Potter's music ( Her physical atributes ? Oh , yeah . ) . She and her Nocturnals opened for Mule a few years back at the Tabernacle .... they were , and still are an oyster bar band with a super hot singer/rhythm guitar & organist .

You want sexiness backed by talent and ability ? Pat Benatar .


This post couldn't be further from the truth......well, that's my opinion anyway. I was at this show-And I think where Grace is now is great for her and the band financially. But Ill say....the show her band did at Smith's Olde Bar a few years back absolutely lit me on fire. An amazingly talented band, with a great singer and a great guitar player with blues in his background...The Grace Potter And The Nocturnals of 2007 was one of the best bands I've seen in years. The Grace Potter of 2010? No thanks. But good for her and the newfound success. Too bad her art had to pay the price.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:56 AM
I guess everyone is worried that she is going to go all pop and lose what she was. We've seen it happen many times before. I saw her relatively recently and she was still great. I also prefer the earlier albums and am afraid she is going to come out from behind the keyboard forever but what will be will be. They can never take away the memories.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:57 AM
That Grace Potter is one fine piece of ace, I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.....

....no ya don't....

...well, not me personally...but a friend of mine...him and her GOT IT ON!!!

.....no they didn't...

....no, no, no they didn't....but you can imagine what it'd be like if the did right???

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 10:00 AM
...............NO YELLING ON THE BUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 10:24 AM
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I've never been able to appreciate Grace Potter's music ( Her physical atributes ? Oh , yeah . ) . She and her Nocturnals opened for Mule a few years back at the Tabernacle .... they were , and still are an oyster bar band with a super hot singer/rhythm guitar & organist .

You want sexiness backed by talent and ability ? Pat Benatar .


This post couldn't be further from the truth......well, that's my opinion anyway. I was at this show-And I think where Grace is now is great for her and the band financially. But Ill say....the show her band did at Smith's Olde Bar a few years back absolutely lit me on fire. An amazingly talented band, with a great singer and a great guitar player with blues in his background...The Grace Potter And The Nocturnals of 2007 was one of the best bands I've seen in years. The Grace Potter of 2010? No thanks. But good for her and the newfound success. Too bad her art had to pay the price.


I was there too, and while I would not say oyster bar band, I left w/ no desire to see GP and the Nocturnals again. I did like when they all beat on drums at one point though; you don't see that every day. Her songwriting left a lot to be desired. I know they are young, but so was Chrissy Hynde in her day, and her songs had more substance.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 02:52 PM
Yeah, but she's got the medicine that everybody wants.
 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 03:00 PM
Saw the VH1 show yesterday ..................... you know there's a bunch of idiot's producing this show because GP&TN were introduced with the words "Great NEW Band " somewhere in the intro....................Please explain then how I saw this "New" band of 2010 all the way back at the 2nd Mountain Jam in 2006 ? .............................By the way thought their 2010 Mtn Jam set was just as good as the ones in 2008 & 2006

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 03:05 PM
yup I guess these days are gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paeNnR33i5Q

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 03:34 PM
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Saw the VH1 show yesterday ..................... you know there's a bunch of idiot's producing this show because GP&TN were introduced with the words "Great NEW Band " somewhere in the intro....................Please explain then how I saw this "New" band of 2010 all the way back at the 2nd Mountain Jam in 2006 ? .............................By the way thought their 2010 Mtn Jam set was just as good as the ones in 2008 & 2006


Me too Ken but you know what? I know people in 2006 who said they were not the same from their bar band days that they had gone commercial even then. Hell some people probably never liked that the Beatles moved beyond the Cavern. Bands have to grow and then the original fans that owned them feel let down. It's the way of the world. I know the first time I saw them, in Central Park in 2007 I was blown away.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2010 at 09:38 PM
It's been suggested that this is the thread to come to bash Grace Potter, the thing is I don't see any bashing going on. Just some folks that prefer the good old days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0P0mTbxTg

 

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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 12:48 AM
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I really miss the Grace Potter I met and saw in 2007.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/603090/grace-potter-and-the-nocturnals-and-an n-and-nancy-wilson-of-heart-perform-crazy-on-you.jhtml

[Edited on 12/7/2010 by biodtl5]


Me too.

I noticed a change..not for the better..when they played the David Letterman show a few months back.

Now this mess.

She and her band were becoming a big favorite of mine, but much more of this schlock and she'll dropping off the radar.

There is a long line of people who sold out, but I didnt think she would.

[Edited on 12/8/2010 by D28guy]

 

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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 07:18 AM
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I really miss the Grace Potter I met and saw in 2007.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/603090/grace-potter-and-the-nocturnals-and-an n-and-nancy-wilson-of-heart-perform-crazy-on-you.jhtml

[Edited on 12/7/2010 by biodtl5]


Me too.

I noticed a change..not for the better..when they played the David Letterman show a few months back.

Now this mess.

She and her band were becoming a big favorite of mine, but much more of this schlock and she'll dropping off the radar.

There is a long line of people who sold out, but I didnt think she would.

[Edited on 12/8/2010 by D28guy]


oh yeah the good old days....3 yrs ago

 

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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 07:28 AM
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I've never been able to appreciate Grace Potter's music ( Her physical atributes ? Oh , yeah . ) . She and her Nocturnals opened for Mule a few years back at the Tabernacle .... they were , and still are an oyster bar band with a super hot singer/rhythm guitar & organist .

You want sexiness backed by talent and ability ? Pat Benatar .




Totally agree. She is an attractive lady but her music is not her strong point. She should have let T Bone produce her last one like he was supposed to me. Big mistake on someone's part. Maybe her music is good, but I just don't get it.
IMHO , the reason why I think some people on here, not all, dig her is becasue she has played and been associated with G Mule and the ABB exteneded family of bands, and other jam bands. I get that impression alot on here with other musicians or bands or relatives of the ABB family who have been associated with them and then post praise like they are the best thing since sliced bread. I just don't here it alot of the times.
Maybe to much of the groupie thing where it's forbidden to slag on anything associated with the ABB, even if it's not that good.Just my opinion, thats all.

Early Pat B and her band rocked!!!!


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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 09:00 AM
This whole "sell out" arguement for any band is tiring to me.

Are Warren, Derek, and Oteil sellouts for being in the Allman Brothers Band? Oteil for one has been on record saying that his love is jazz and that the Allmans are what keeps his financials straight so that he can enjoy playing jazz for fun. I am pretty sure the others have said similar things in the past. Is Derek a sellout for touring with Clapton?

Are Doctors sellouts when they graduate med school and become successful instead of going out bowling and drinking every night with his buddies? Do you strive to be successful? Do you want your family to be successful? Why is it different for musicians?

If that is what Grace wants, that is what she wants.... Who are we to second guess or to judge her for wanting to be successful?

I do not agree with a lot of her choices: The firing of the bass player, joining a Disney Corp. music label, the new jazzed up look of the band, etc.

But it is not up to me, and it is not up to you. All we can do is listen to the music. If it does not float your boat, pick another sea to float on.

I also agree with jszfunk that she got an easy pass with the ABB/Mule fans a few years ago and either the love of her music is wearing off or people didn't really know her when they thought they did.

She alluded to this in an article last year or earlier this year when she said a fan was mad that she is now looking LA wearing sequence dresses instead of flannels, and she replied that she didn't even know Grace and that she has always loved the Hollywood lifestyle and that is what she always wanted to be like.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 09:13 AM
As far as I know, no-one gets into the music biz with the goal of staying unknown and unheard by the public.

If you have a day job and are just playing for beer money on the weekends, good for you, but don't knock on someone who has made music their career, for wanting to take it as far as it will go...




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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 09:27 AM
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Too bad her art had to pay the price.


People feel this way when they don't like an artists' new songs or direction. I am pretty sure that she would not see it that way.

Commercial appeal is not a dirty word although some may think it is. Easy for us to want someone to slug it out in clubs for life and always be broke. That is what she would be subjected to and may still be. She is taking a shot and good for her.

Some people will say that any song/artist that they don't like is not "real" music or art. In fact, it is just a song that they don't like. Then after millions buy it, the argument becomes "all those people don't know real music". Actually it is likely a catchy song that appeals to many.

Believe it or not, endless solos and 30 minutes noodle fests bore the hell out of the majority of people. Even many people at an ABB show feel that way. Watch what happens during a song like Mtn. Jam. People race for a beer/pee break. Why? It is the low point in a show for them while for others it is magic.

No right or wrong, only different.

So she may lose some fans that she picked up from connections with the Mule and ABB. Big deal. There are millions more that may come around to her for trying something new.

The Stones played disco and still play in stadiums and charge hundreds to get in.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 10:34 AM
I remember when the artist JEWEL, who received much critical acclaim as a sensitive folk oriented singer-songwriter type artist decided to revive her sinking career by changing her image. One day she was writing sensitive songs and the next she was going for the pop diva/dance music trends.

I remember seeing her at a free show in Battery Park, NYC, and she was definitely in her pop diva phase... wearing a slick pink dress and her hair all done up, wearing high heels.....I was in shock!!! I was like "why did she sell out like that?"

Then it hit me, she was just trying to stay "relevant" and she needed a career boost and was willing to do what it took to sell records and stay in the public eye. Ultimately I think Jewel's style change fizzled out (it bombed rather badly!!), but I definitely could see why she tried to make this sort of change.


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  posted on 12/8/2010 at 10:52 AM
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As far as I know, no-one gets into the music biz with the goal of staying unknown and unheard by the public.

If you have a day job and are just playing for beer money on the weekends, good for you, but don't knock on someone who has made music their career, for wanting to take it as far as it will go...




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Of course that's why people who are serious about their music do it and I can't blame Grace at all for making the most out of what she has. I am happy that she and her band are getting their time in the limelight. I recently read an interview with Jerry Garcia where he said he was surprised that people liked his music and came back to see him play. I'm guessing most musicians feel that way too.

By the way I dig your photo of Col. Bruce and Eric Krasno playing at Jack Of The Woods in Asheville. I belive that was from 2007 and the same day that Grace, Scott and Ron Holloway did a 3 or 4 song set.

 

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