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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 12:00 PM
become a parady of himself. Ok I am a huge Stones fan,have loved them for over 35 years.I think their best work was between Beggers and Exile but I do think Goats,its only R&R have some great songs and still has Mick Taylor (that dude is just a great player with great tone) after that they seemed to go down hill while each album after that has a few good tunes.
Vh1 classic has been running some of their moveis and videos latley and you can clearly see the change in Jagger from 72 when he was on top of his game then he becomes a joke in 81 and then just gets worse after that with shine a light from 2008 he is just realley bad.
They had the daddy your a fool video which is about 75 and he still has it,i mean he still seems into the music and puts feeling into it,but after that he just seems to me like a parady of his former self,

anybody else feel this way...don't hold back now..even if you think im wrong...lol

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 12:03 PM
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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 01:25 PM
Some Girls last good Stones record. I suppose Ron Wood has been substanially compensated for putting his talent on hold for 35 years. Same for Chuck Leavel ...

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 02:23 PM
I think Jagger is great in Shine A Light...far from a "parody" of himself.Given his age...& all of the Stone's ages....I'm damned impressed by them.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 03:37 PM
He sounded pretty inspired away from thr Stones in 92.

Mick Jagger & Gary Moore - Checking up on my baby (We want moore jagger)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWbHCdnW7yk

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 03:56 PM
I used to love them, but its all over now....

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 03:58 PM
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I used to love them, but its all over now....


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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 03:58 PM
I think that is the key to the disagreement between Keith and Mick.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 05:42 PM
I love the old Stones stuff, with 'Exile' and 'Beggars' right up there among my favorite albums.

After watching 'Shine A Light,' I do agree that an aging Mick's chicken walking and near epileptic moves make him a bit of a parody of his former self.

I preferred the segments of 'Shine A Light' when Mick picked up a guitar or played harp -- like when he was trading licks with Buddy Guy on 'Champagne and Reefer.'


 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 05:49 PM
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I think Jagger is great in Shine A Light...far from a "parody" of himself.Given his age...& all of the Stone's ages....I'm damned impressed by them.


Yeah, I watched Shine A Light for the first time the other night, and thought it was great. Mick must be the most spry senior in history.

Besides, everybody loves a parad-y!

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 08:22 PM
kevhic uses the "Tarzan" spelling and grammar checking software...












 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 09:12 PM
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I think Jagger is great in Shine A Light...far from a "parody" of himself.Given his age...& all of the Stone's ages....I'm damned impressed by them.


I agree 100%



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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 10:26 PM
I think Mick went through a very cheesy period for quite a long time. However, it is hard to think of any classic rocker from the 1960s-970s who did not create some wince-worthy things in the 1980s.

To be more specific, I think that Jagger was giving it his all and singing from his gut on "Exile," but I feel that with the albums that followed, even though I think they are excellent, he was more aware of himself as a stylist, a phraser, a role-player. Admittedly, I think he is a great performer and may ALWAYS have been "acting," but there is a sense of affectation that grows through Goat's Hed into It's Only R & R and into Black &Blue and beyond. Is it any coincidence that Keith was more and more out of it, so those records sound a little more plastic?

he is also someone who is acutely and all too much aware of trends and fashions, so he pushed the Stones to go glam, then go disco, then get punk-y. He got far too fascinated with MTV and videos and video fashion, resulting in his horrific duets with Michael Jackson and David Bowie.

As Doug noted, the rift between Keef and Mick came as Mick got into all of the fashion and started putting other things before Stones music. However, I would argue that Keith has done plenty of posing and posturing too. Anyone who sees Keith as some down to earth rocker next door OR a wild pirate needs to remember that he is a multi-millionaire with a team around to wipe his ass etc etc.

Bottom line, I don't think you can get as big as the Stones got without losing yourself along the way. I was howling laughing during the pre-film Jagger interview when they showed "Ladies and Gents" in the theaters. Jagger is out of his mind. However, he has made some of the best rock music ever, and when he decides to, he can still bring it.



 

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I think Mick went through a very cheesy period for quite a long time. However, it is hard to think of any classic rocker from the 1960s-970s who did not create some wince-worthy things in the 1980s.

To be more specific, I think that Jagger was giving it his all and singing from his gut on "Exile," but I feel that with the albums that followed, even though I think they are excellent, he was more aware of himself as a stylist, a phraser, a role-player. Admittedly, I think he is a great performer and may ALWAYS have been "acting," but there is a sense of affectation that grows through Goat's Hed into It's Only R & R and into Black &Blue and beyond. Is it any coincidence that Keith was more and more out of it, so those records sound a little more plastic?

he is also someone who is acutely and all too much aware of trends and fashions, so he pushed the Stones to go glam, then go disco, then get punk-y. He got far too fascinated with MTV and videos and video fashion, resulting in his horrific duets with Michael Jackson and David Bowie.

As Doug noted, the rift between Keef and Mick came as Mick got into all of the fashion and started putting other things before Stones music. However, I would argue that Keith has done plenty of posing and posturing too. Anyone who sees Keith as some down to earth rocker next door OR a wild pirate needs to remember that he is a multi-millionaire with a team around to wipe his ass etc etc.

Bottom line, I don't think you can get as big as the Stones got without losing yourself along the way. I was howling laughing during the pre-film Jagger interview when they showed "Ladies and Gents" in the theaters. Jagger is out of his mind. However, he has made some of the best rock music ever, and when he decides to, he can still bring it.





Listen Keef is no Warren Haynes in terms of musical personality but I do think he grew disenchanted with Mick's posturing and posing and more than that turning a Stones show into a spectacle. I feel he always put the music first. I am in the midst of his excellent book and am just now beginning to touch on the section where he really begins to fall out with Mick. I'm sure more of his feelings will be revealed but he describes the 1976 (I think) tour where Mick became obsessed with riding a giant phallus. He said ever after that Mick needed his props. So that is how Mick changed because clearly throughout the sixties and into the seventies he was not just a great lead singer but a serious song writer. I'm sure Keith resented the changes that hurt the group as a recording entity.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2010 at 11:20 PM
I agree with you to an extent. The Stones are one of my fave bands, and I have watched a ton of Stones video. I think Keith poses as much as Jagger does. He self-promotes just as much too, if not more. Jagger certainly does not need the blow-up phallus or any of the silliness they have added over the years. His running around left him too out of breath to sing well anyway.

The funny thing is, Jagger took over the reins of the Stones in the 1970s because it was Keef who was slipping. Keef was showing up for concerts too loaded, putting drugs before music. Jagger also had musical ambitions that went beyond Keith's narrower vision - he wanted to have the Stones stretch their boundaries. However, he certainly went too Hollywood, and the less said about his acting ambitions, the better!

I enjoyed Keith's book. Mind you, Keith's word is Keith's word. It ain't gospel.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 12:00 AM
I'm sure Keith resented the changes that hurt the group as a recording entity.>>>>>>>>>


But not enough to walk away from the band, the money or the heroin.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 07:57 AM
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Ouch...

Love all the comments....To me Jagger ruins the old songs with the way he sings them now,
did anybody see that" being Mick Jagger" TV show a few years back ,pretty funny











 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 08:16 AM
I'm almost finished with Keef's book right now and according to him (and he's pretty specific about this) it happened in the early/mid 1080's.......they referred to Mick (to his face) as Brenda, Madam and her Majesty.......HILARIOUS.

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 08:36 AM
I dunno know... I was a huge fan in the very late 60's.. they were the rebels, the nasty looking English men, not like those nice Beatles who wore suits and boots and had long hair that was combed. The Stones were dirty and bad boys and the music rocked my world and alot of fans , to this day their music back then was more then just great... but, somewhere right before Altamont..Mick stated to believe his own publicity about himself.. he certainly fell into the Hollywood trap and was into the fashionable and trendy things that brought in the money.. the last time I saw them was in 71.. I think MSG... it was a production show even back then and I was disillusioned with live shows for a long time after that... well , that was until I walked in and heard the ABB band... it all changed for me then..

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 08:45 AM
A parody of himself? More like a caricature sketch at times!

Mick Jagger has been a fitness freak forever. I think the stories of drugged out debauchery (at least the ones involving him, personally) are pretty much stretched out a little bit. Still the finest front man in the business (except for Jimmy Hall ).

The caricature thing: I was watching one of those "save the planet" shows a few years ago. At the end, they brought out all the performers. Watching Mick do his "monkey man" schtick ... "caricature" was the word that came to mind.

 

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I'm almost finished with Keef's book right now and according to him (and he's pretty specific about this) it happened in the early/mid 1080's.......they referred to Mick (to his face) as Brenda, Madam and her Majesty.......HILARIOUS.


Yeah, I think they started that 1080 tour with an intimate show for Henry the IV and his minions. Whenever I look at Keith Richards, that sounds about right. I keep hoping that set will be posted on Dime some day.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 12:19 PM
Still love the Stones and hope I have 1/2 of Mick's energy when I'm his age.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2010 at 12:31 PM
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I'm sure Keith resented the changes that hurt the group as a recording entity.>>>>>>>>>


But not enough to walk away from the band, the money or the heroin.


He walked away for quite a few years in the 80's. A lot of people thought the Stones were actually finished.

 

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