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  posted on 12/4/2003 at 09:52 PM
I know a lot folks around here may disagree with me, but I found the "live at beacon theatre" dvd annoying. I think the longest amount of time you were able to focus on any single band member before a different camera angle was introduced - or switched to a different person - was six seconds. That was the longest. Usually, every two seconds or so, the camera angle switched to something else, and even worse, something that was not particularly germane to the song at the time. When derek is in the middle of a ripping solo, I got a nice shot of the back of jaimoe's head, then the crowd, then warren who is keeping rhythm and mostly watching derrek, oh... then finally back to derek, who is shown for another second or two. Christ! At times, I had to sit back, close my eyes and just enjoy the music. I found it similar to an mtv video, where image is more important than the music, or in this case, what's going on onstage. It's only my opinion, but I think the editor did a **** ty job. Im no stranger to the beacon when march madness rolls around, but watching it on dvd doesn't bring you any closer - it gives you a speedy montage of the allmans. Although there are a lot if nice things about the dvd (sorry for the all negativity), you'll get a hell of a lot more by going to the show - even if you're in the balcony.

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  posted on 12/4/2003 at 10:40 PM
Funny how people view things differently. As a musician, I really enjoyed the shots of the band members who weren't soloing, because I love to see the expressions on their faces when someone else is really ripping it up. (especially Derek loving the horns in "Same Thing") What a feeling it must be to be a part of that band, firing on all 8.

I guess that we're all entitled to our opinions, and I disagree with the preceding post.But I respect the opinion. I guess that's why they make chocolate AND vanilla. Peace, Tom

 

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  posted on 12/4/2003 at 11:12 PM
The only thing I agree with is too many quick shots at the wrong time. I personally think the overall feel of the show was not captured as well as it could have been visually. Some of the shots should have been the killer leads in certain parts, as noted in the original post. But I also like the loose feel........a few were just bad timing > editing IMO.

Oteil and Jaimoe had a few shots but I want more O!

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 12:06 AM
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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 06:51 AM
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I know a lot folks around here may disagree with me, but I found the "live at beacon theatre" dvd annoying.



Unfortunately, the camera operators and editors can't climb into our individual heads and produce a video that is going to satisfy all of our individual desires. While the shot hang time may have been a little quicker than what some may care for, it's one standard for rock concert video footage. A standard that's been around for a helluva lot longer than MTV. Personally, I could have done with some longer shots of the band playing as a whole, but I don't find the viewing experience to be the painful affair you describe.


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you'll get a hell of a lot more by going to the show - even if you're in the balcony.



No kidding? I'll have to try that some time.....

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 12:07 PM
Funny, I do feel exactly opposite. I LOVE seeing as much of everyone as possible. If you only showed who was soloing you'd only ever see Gregg, Derek & Warren. I love the drummers and I love to watch what they're doing. And I love Oteil and want to see him. It always bothers me how concert DVDs focus on certain people all of the time. - Usually when I'm at an ABB show when Warren or Derek are soloing, I'm watching Jaimoe or some of the drummers. - I think part of it is that I'm a guitar player and I can HEAR what those guys are doing, the drummers really fascinate me and sometimes I feel like people think the ABB is all about the guitar players. But in fact everyone's parts are so crucial to the sound. The guitar playing is just part of it... (just my opinion)
 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 12:15 PM
Is the disc Dual-Layered? I am amaze at what some producers can do with those alternate "angles"

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 01:33 PM
I thought it jumped around a little too quick myself in parts but very enjoyable for me to watch and jam to.I would like to see the percussion just a bit more although it does favor Butch quite a bit so thats cool. It is also a nice tool to use on the folks that have never really seen (yes there are a few) the ABB....at least with this they can SEE what I'm talking about.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 02:14 PM
I enjoyed it, regardless.

I'd love to see a DVD concert where they set up one camera for each musician and that one camera only shoots that musician for the duration of the show. Then, you'd be able to manually switch from camera to camera. Wanna watch the drums during the entire length of Illness? No problem. Wanna watch Oteil get funky and sway back and forth when Gregg's takin' a solo? You got it...

Hmmm, I should look into this...

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 02:50 PM
This DVD is a lot of things, but "annoying" isn't one of them. The only words that can describe it accurately are "mind-blowing", "spectacular", and "worth the wait..."

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 03:09 PM
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"worth the wait..."

Definantly true....the marketing has been great this year for the band...seems like every time I turn around I'm seeing something about the band....DVD, this month freeview on Directv, full page ads in Rolling Stone and others, articles in the music rags and on and on...isn't it great.
Maybe they should put out another CD next year...Gregg did say they had enough material for a couple recordings didn't he??

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 03:33 PM
That's why I was dissapointed to not hear at least a few new tunes during the Beacon run. Gregg and Warren supposedly had enough for another album, and I'm sure the band knows some new ones - I was just dying to hear one of them...

Hopefully, they make up for it during the 2004 Beacon run.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 03:36 PM
Just curious, what the dvd going for in the US? Here in Canada its a pricey $45.
 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 03:56 PM
$24.95...

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 04:03 PM
When you're talking about a 7-piece band, I think staying on one person for very long is impossible. If the director never cut away while the guitars were going, you'd never see Oteil or the drummers (or Gregg playing) because they don't get much in the way of soloing. I think it's cool to see what the other guys are doing when someone's taking a solo, even if sometimes the video is pretty busy. You have to pick and choose stuff, that's why it's called editing.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 04:22 PM
I haven't seen it yet. I wonder if the initial production was switched live, or if a separate VTR (it was video instead of film, right?) was used for each camera. In college we produced a show (local cable) where we would go to clubs and shoot local bands. We would take turns directing live switching (3 cameras into 1 switcher into 1 VTR). One of the directors just had no concept of which instrument made which sound, so we'd end up with shots of the bass player while somebody else was wailing away on another instrument. If each camera had been recorded into its own VTR, we could've gone back and re-edited the live-switched video with more appropriate footage.

Was anybody present at either of the two shows that were taped for the program?

 

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  posted on 12/5/2003 at 09:23 PM
This was definitely not edited on the fly. It's not like the 9/23/70 Fillmore video where the director has no idea what's going on. There are some very good cuts; at times he'll pull away from the guitar players and show a great riff from Oteil, and then go back, stuff like that.

 

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