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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 09:48 AM
Of course, I will always love the original version of LATF, but when the expanded deluxe edition came out on CD a couple years back, I not only bought two copies (one for me...and one as a gift) but with some shortsightedness on my part, I also gave away my former single CD version to my brother thinking that I would no longer need it.

But after listening to the deluxe ed for awhile (and loving it) , I also found that I am so used to the actual content on the original and the specific song order, that I still feel compelled to own a copy of the original and have just now ordered a new copy of the original from Amazon, even though in a sense....I already own it...

So, I thought this might make a good topic. If you own both, which version do you prefer to listen to ? Which one do you grab first when you have the urge to hear it? If you own both, which one do you pull first ? Do you keep both versions merely for the sake of completeness?

Or have you never felt the need to own the deluxe edition and just prefer the original ?

Should I consider therapy ?...



[Edited on 11/3/2010 by les_paul_sunburst]

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 10:31 AM
Both!!

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 10:33 AM
It received such mixed reviews that I never got it. Still have never heard it.
 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 11:35 AM
Although I like when there is an expanded version that includes bonus performances, and remastered sound, but there are times I prefer the original album.

Back when the album was first released, there was only one way to listen to the music. When there were no bonus tracks.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 11:51 AM
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Both!!

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 12:16 PM
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Both!!


Although I must say I like the WP into Mountain Jam on TFC. It was a long wait between AFE and EAP ,wondering what the song was that obviously started after that epic WP.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 01:28 PM
I have the original on vinyl, and it was one of the first CD's I bought, and I have the Fillmore Concerts cd.

I love Statesboro and Trouble no more back to back so guess i listen to the Fillmore Comcerts more. I have both on my MP3 player.

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 01:31 PM
I like the MSFL gold disc version, the original song lineup with incredible sound and separation. Great extra photos by Jim Marshall in the mini road case too. You really can close your eyes listening to this one and imagine you are there, it sounds that good.

You usually see them on ebay now for around $75.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 01:37 PM
Also remember that the Deluxe Version is different than The Fillmore Concerts release.

They both have the same expanded song lineup but the Deluxe version is the one with the same black & white cover as the original album, the songs on there are the remastered versions. This is the one to get.

The Fillmore Concert is the one with the color image of the band and the songs were remixed and they do sound very different. The bass is moved to the back and the drums sound different, not much bottom. And liked mentioned above, Liz Reed and I think You Don't Love Me are spliced together from different nights.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 01:39 PM
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I went with the Fillmore Concerts because of it's greater content, but I wasn't happy with the spliced Liz Reed's...I'll have to get the original version eventually. Heard it, but never bought it.


I thought I read somewhere that the In Memory of Elizabeth Reed on the FILLMORE CONCERTS was actually not spliced from two shows and Tom Dowd's recollection was wrong. I can't remember where I read that though. Anyone know for sure?

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 03:44 PM
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Also remember that the Deluxe Version is different than The Fillmore Concerts release.

They both have the same expanded song lineup but the Deluxe version is the one with the same black & white cover as the original album, the songs on there are the remastered versions. This is the one to get.

The Fillmore Concert is the one with the color image of the band and the songs were remixed and they do sound very different. The bass is moved to the back and the drums sound different, not much bottom. And liked mentioned above, Liz Reed and I think You Don't Love Me are spliced together from different nights.


The Deluxe version but only if I have time to listen to it all the way through

 

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  posted on 11/3/2010 at 04:05 PM
Well I generally listen to either the deluxe version or The Fillmore Concerts as I really love all the music that wasn't originally on the album as well... so more is better for me.

But I understand the "groove" we get into after listening to an album one way all the time. Sort of like hearing the white album out of order makes some of the songs seem not as strong... but definitely I more is better for me with that album... I particuarly want to hear Whipping Post go right into Mountain Jam.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 08:32 AM
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Also remember that the Deluxe Version is different than The Fillmore Concerts release.

They both have the same expanded song lineup but the Deluxe version is the one with the same black & white cover as the original album, the songs on there are the remastered versions. This is the one to get.

The Fillmore Concert is the one with the color image of the band and the songs were remixed and they do sound very different. The bass is moved to the back and the drums sound different, not much bottom. And liked mentioned above, Liz Reed and I think You Don't Love Me are spliced together from different nights.


Oh. I forgot to mention that I have one of those also...

Hey. It's only money...:

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 12:38 PM
my original LAFE vinyl is a little worn

agree that I don't love the sound in the Complete Fillmore Concerts, especially the bass.

Deluxe Version by far gets the most playing time. It is also easier to take on the road than the vinyl.

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I thought I read somewhere that the In Memory of Elizabeth Reed on the FILLMORE CONCERTS was actually not spliced from two shows and Tom Dowd's recollection was wrong. I can't remember where I read that though. Anyone know for sure?


I read that Tom Dowd did a splice on the original album, but later realized he actually used only one version - in other words he took the beginning of one version, spliced on the end of what he thought was a different version but it was actually splicing the end of the same version. In effect - no splice.

 

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I don't have the delux version ... but I do have the original and also the Fillmore Concerts ... of those I usually play the FC because I love the extended version of Stormy Monday with Thom Doucette's Harp solo reinstated ... sadly missing from the original album.

Can somebody tell me if the Stormy Monday on the delux version has the Harmonica solo reinstated as per th FC ... or is it just a remastered version of LAFE without the Harmonica solo?

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 12:56 PM
no harp in the Deluxe
which is the main reason I keep the FC discs around - I just jump to Stormy Monday

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 01:30 PM
deluxe
 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 02:01 PM
an older thread:

http://allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=38156#pid880528


but check out Kirk's (verbal) comments half way down ...

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 02:10 PM
200 gram vinyl original version on Classic Records

or

the SACD 5.1 mix with extended tracks. (restores some harp and trombone parts cut from the original)

or

DTS CD 5.1 (not extended)

The vinyl is sweet, but sometimes I like to hear the trombone and harp parts.

The DTS mix is a bit more intimate mix, sounds like you are on stage with them, while
the SACD mix is more like sitting in the orchestra seats.

Each version has its strengths.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 03:21 PM
The Fillmore concerts added the extra material but re-mixed the sound. Down was not happy with it so they later released the Deluxe version which is actually the original mix with the bonus songs thrown in. So the Deluxe is the way to go.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 03:44 PM
Need to get the "Deluxe" (one can never have too many versions) Have the original vinyl, the original CD & the Fillmore Concerts set. I guess I'm not all that much of an audiophile because I don't have a problem with the sound on the FC set. What I do miss is WP going into Mtn Jam. And, Duane's introduction of WP with a little help from the audience member. And, after reading the booklet and doing a side-by-side comparison of the "Liz Reeds", I couldn't hear any difference...so I guess the explanation that he just spliced the same take's end was what happened.


Still, my question is: Is the tracking order of the Deluxe Edition the exact order of the songs as they were played during the show? Or, did Tom Dowd take liberties with song order?

 
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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 09:15 PM
The original. On vinyl. Not even in the cover right now.

I'm old.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 09:15 PM
The Allman Brothers Band were not the headliners, Johnny Winter was. I would think the Fillmore Concerts is the "Best" take of every song they played over the 3 days, six shows.
 

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  posted on 11/4/2010 at 09:59 PM
I'm pretty sure that Trouble No More on FC is a different version than Deluxe. They used the EAP version on the Deluxe.

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Still, my question is: Is the tracking order of the Deluxe Edition the exact order of the songs as they were played during the show? Or, did Tom Dowd take liberties with song order?


Based on other shows of the era, it is probably the correct order. I wasn't there, unfortunately, so can't be positive

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  posted on 11/5/2010 at 10:18 AM
I have a cd that is labeled 3.13.71 Late Show form the Fillmore East. The Hot 'Lanta, Whipping Post and Mountain Jam on there are the same as the ones released.

The Statesboro Blues is different I think, the times match up from the original release but Dickey's lead sounds different to me. And the Stormy Monday is the one that is on the Fillmore Concerts with Ace's harp in it.

But the One Way Out is unreleased as it has Ace's harp in it, Duane introduces him before the song. I think it is hotter the the one from the June 27 show that was included on EAP and the expanded Fillmore releases.

Would be happy to do a B&P for anyone for the first 3 songs on there, Statesboro Blues, One Way Out, Stormy Monday. One disc, postage-paid self-addressed mailer along with a note of what to burn. PM for my address.

 

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