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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 07:39 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm both a fan of HTN and Marc Ford, but ... to the best of my recollection ... Marc has been featured at least 3 times now in HTN (one a cover!) Each of these times were when Marc was out of the Black Crowes for whatever reason ... The current article is hardly enlightening.

One may ascertain from the article that 1. Any of Marc's solo stuff is unavailable due to a "wide" variety of reasons. 2. He no longer has a website due to ... hmm ... lack of interest on his part. But don't worry he's going to have a new one ... sometime. 3. His reason for leaving the Crowes is that they were so "successful" that the places they played on a "tour" actually had dressing rooms which keep the artist from the fans. But not to worry the places he gets to play now (if and when he gets to play) don't have dressing rooms. 4. The best thing he's looking forward to now is hoping to release a 3 yr old record. However, even if that should happen, there's no possibility of touring behind it because the other primary person in the project "clashes" with Marc. Whew ...

IMO this article does absolutely nothing to "help" Marc Ford. Reading between the lines, one only feels sorry for Marc. And to be perfectly honest there are a lot more musicians out there deserving pity than Marc. Was this the intention of HTN? I doubt it. There is a photo somewhere here in the archives at HTW that was submitted by UncleJon that reveals so much more than this article ever could. It is a picture where the Crowes with Marc are on tour either in Charlotte or Raleigh. Jon, I'm assuming is working security in some fahsion, gets his picture along with his comely girlfriend taken with the band. Everybody seems pretty normal ... with the exception of Marc. Based soley on the photo, Marc needed to be in pshychiatric care.

Now the gist of this post is ... couldn't HTN have found some better filler? I mean Marc Ford is a great player. However, his most important work will always be what he did in the Black Crowes, who are currently playing an incredible tour by the way ... which at the end of ... they are going to take a hiatus ... Hey now there's a story there! Hint, hint. How about an interview with Luther Dickinson, Marc's repalcement?

Luther IMO is the best guitarist the Crowes have ever had. The Crowes are playing and sounding better than they ever have. Luther is a huge part of the reason why. Derek Trucks is the only other guitarist that comes to mind who has so dramatically improved his playing in such a short time. What's it really like to be in the Crowes? How 'bout asking someone other than Chris Robinson? I mean Luther has got to be a better interview than Marc who has never come across very well (and that's based on HTN's previous MF articles. Did I mention there are three of them?)

I don't see HTN changing their modus operendi of positive band promotion and non-objective journalism anytime soon. And again I have no problem with that type of publication. It does fill a niche. But perhaps they could be a little more diligent in the articles they print. There has got to be something out there way more deserving of the space (yet again) given Marc Ford. As he stated in the article, he doesn't care what folks on the internet think. Well I personally don't care to read about him ... at least not until he gets his sh*t together.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 08:10 AM
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As he stated in the article, he doesn't care what folks on the internet think.


Iíve hung out with Marc a few times over the years. I used to bartend in a place called Tobacco Road in NYC and Marc would play there pretty often. We actually had a conversation about the fans online, and your comment reminded me of that. He was not a big fan of what was happening online, but it was more from the perspective of the fans being negative. He also couldnít believe that fans cared that much about him. I think he releases most of his music online though, like through myspace or something like that. He is great player, but he is a guy who seems to be a fragile soul and one who definitely battles his demons. I must say, he was also a very nice guy the times we hung out.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 08:14 AM
Well, everyone has a right to their opinion, and I appreciate that you care so much about who HTN covers and doesn't cover. No sarcasm meant or implied, it is a good sign that you would take the time to write that. We appreciate that our readers are as passionate about music as we are, even if that means they are going to disagree with our choices sometimes.

The one comment I would make is that the Black Crowes have been in media blackout mode for quite some time now, and it's not like we wouldn't interview Luther, or Chris, or anybody in the Black Crowes, if they were willing to do so. We just have to respect their right to remain silent.

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 08:45 AM
Marc Ford is an amazing guitarist, I even loved his tours with Ben Harper in addition to the BC and his solo show.

I always got the feeling he was not a great bandmate though, he just never rubbed me as a guy that needed others around him, and that includes fans.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 08:57 AM
Marc hasn't exactly treated the musicians who have worked with him all that well either.....and I'm not talking about the Robinson bros or anyone else in the Crowes for that matter. I love Marc too, am a huge fan of his playing and he's a big influence on me but having said that, he's just as responsible for his reputation as anyone else is and I do know first hand that he doesn't exactly treat people well.....especially when he's back ont he sauce. Wish him well though, he's a fantastic player when he has his wits about him.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 09:34 AM
Love the guy's playing and his first solo album is probably the best record nobody's ever heard, including a great Crazy Horsesque rave up tune with the Mule but the guy is like one of those play ground basketball legends from the Bronx that everyone swears was the best hoops player ever but couldn't get it together enough to play in the NBA. This guy just can't get out of his own way. I do find the whole thing interesting though and hope that he turns it around, so I'm looking forward to reading the piece for myself.


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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 11:12 AM
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3. His reason for leaving the Crowes is that they were so "successful" that the places they played on a "tour" actually had dressing rooms which keep the artist from the fans. But not to worry the places he gets to play now (if and when he gets to play) don't have dressing rooms.


Really?

The reason Marc gave for leaving the Crowes was that he worked hard on getting sober and there was
constant partying with the Crowes.

What is your insight to refute this?

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 11:35 AM
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Really?

The reason Marc gave for leaving the Crowes was that he worked hard on getting sober and there was constant partying with the Crowes.

What is your insight to refute this?
This is what I recall hearing after his last departure from TBC, also.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 11:41 AM
I have heard good things about Marc Ford. People really like him. It sounds like he has some human issues which are understandable.

The BC are great with Luther btw.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 11:48 AM
I'm VERY glad to have caught them at The Tabernacle with Marc, and just when they brought Steve Gorman back! The place was electric with the buzz that Steve was back in the group.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 12:07 PM
I'm sorry space and BDOB my post is refering to the article in the current HTN. I don't know if you guys have received yours yet or not. If not, I don't want to spoil the article which I think is wasted space which is why I posted this in the first place.

I too heard Marc's initial statement which refered to the "hard won or new found sobriety." However, this article cites "artistic integrity" as a reason for walking away from the Crowes.

Anyway if y'all haven't seen the current lineup, trust me thay are on top of their game like they've never been. The playing, the sound, the vibe are amazing.

Last I hear ya Rob. It was a suggestion. And apparently I'm not the only one with this opinion.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 12:14 PM
I can dig it, Charlesinator. Enough time has gone by since he left TBC. Maybe he's trying to rewrite history? I don't know....

 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 12:44 PM
Marc ford is a very good guitar player.But I sure am happy he did not replace derek in the ABB as one time rumored.
 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 12:49 PM
The only disappointing thing I found in the article is there was no date for any new music or tours for Marc Ford.

I'm a big fan of his work and was wishing this was to promote some new music that was coming out, instead it had mention of old music that was recorded and may or may not come out soon.

 

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Don't get me wrong I'm both a fan of HTN and Marc Ford, but ... to the best of my recollection ... Marc has been featured at least 3 times now in HTN (one a cover!) Each of these times were when Marc was out of the Black Crowes for whatever reason ... The current article is hardly enlightening.

One may ascertain from the article that 1. Any of Marc's solo stuff is unavailable due to a "wide" variety of reasons. 2. He no longer has a website due to ... hmm ... lack of interest on his part. But don't worry he's going to have a new one ... sometime. 3. His reason for leaving the Crowes is that they were so "successful" that the places they played on a "tour" actually had dressing rooms which keep the artist from the fans. But not to worry the places he gets to play now (if and when he gets to play) don't have dressing rooms. 4. The best thing he's looking forward to now is hoping to release a 3 yr old record. However, even if that should happen, there's no possibility of touring behind it because the other primary person in the project "clashes" with Marc. Whew ...

IMO this article does absolutely nothing to "help" Marc Ford. Reading between the lines, one only feels sorry for Marc. And to be perfectly honest there are a lot more musicians out there deserving pity than Marc. Was this the intention of HTN? I doubt it. There is a photo somewhere here in the archives at HTW that was submitted by UncleJon that reveals so much more than this article ever could. It is a picture where the Crowes with Marc are on tour either in Charlotte or Raleigh. Jon, I'm assuming is working security in some fahsion, gets his picture along with his comely girlfriend taken with the band. Everybody seems pretty normal ... with the exception of Marc. Based soley on the photo, Marc needed to be in pshychiatric care.

Now the gist of this post is ... couldn't HTN have found some better filler? I mean Marc Ford is a great player. However, his most important work will always be what he did in the Black Crowes, who are currently playing an incredible tour by the way ... which at the end of ... they are going to take a hiatus ... Hey now there's a story there! Hint, hint. How about an interview with Luther Dickinson, Marc's repalcement?

Luther IMO is the best guitarist the Crowes have ever had. The Crowes are playing and sounding better than they ever have. Luther is a huge part of the reason why. Derek Trucks is the only other guitarist that comes to mind who has so dramatically improved his playing in such a short time. What's it really like to be in the Crowes? How 'bout asking someone other than Chris Robinson? I mean Luther has got to be a better interview than Marc who has never come across very well (and that's based on HTN's previous MF articles. Did I mention there are three of them?)

I don't see HTN changing their modus operendi of positive band promotion and non-objective journalism anytime soon. And again I have no problem with that type of publication. It does fill a niche. But perhaps they could be a little more diligent in the articles they print. There has got to be something out there way more deserving of the space (yet again) given Marc Ford. As he stated in the article, he doesn't care what folks on the internet think. Well I personally don't care to read about him ... at least not until he gets his sh*t together.

 

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Now the gist of this post is ... couldn't HTN have found some better filler? I mean Marc Ford is a great player. However, his most important work will always be what he did in the Black Crowes, who are currently playing an incredible tour by the way ... which at the end of ... they are going to take a hiatus ... Hey now there's a story there! Hint, hint. How about an interview with Luther Dickinson, Marc's repalcement?

Luther IMO is the best guitarist the Crowes have ever had. The Crowes are playing and sounding better than they ever have. Luther is a huge part of the reason why. Derek Trucks is the only other guitarist that comes to mind who has so dramatically improved his playing in such a short time. What's it really like to be in the Crowes? How 'bout asking someone other than Chris Robinson? I mean Luther has got to be a better interview than Marc who has never come across very well (and that's based on HTN's previous MF articles. Did I mention there are three of them?)


We don't think Marc Ford is wasted space, but to each his own - yeah, talking to Luther about the Crowes ia a no-brainer; if it was only as easy as that, it would have happened -
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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 02:24 PM
I just hope my copy arrives before I leave on a trip Wednesday so I can read it on the road.
 

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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 02:27 PM
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I just hope my copy arrives before I leave on a trip Wednesday so I can read it on the road.



have a trip on Friday ... awaiting mine as well

 

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I just read this article yesterday and I thought it was a great article. As a struggling musician myself, I have often wondered how guys like Marc carry on after being with Crowes and whatnot.

And I also appreciated hearing what he had to say about not listening to his internet fans who are complaining about how he is handling his own career.

The point was plain and I wish more people would get this... Everyone is always say "such and such band/artist" should do this and "why are they doing this... they are stupid and their management sucks". But no one realizes how difficult or impractical it is to do things as a musicians the way certain people think it should be done.

So it was great to see such a positive attitude on him. And I'm glad he's spending time being a father. I was enlightened.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2010 at 03:36 PM
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3. His reason for leaving the Crowes is that they were so "successful" that the places they played on a "tour" actually had dressing rooms which keep the artist from the fans. But not to worry the places he gets to play now (if and when he gets to play) don't have dressing rooms.


Really?

The reason Marc gave for leaving the Crowes was that he worked hard on getting sober and there was
constant partying with the Crowes.

What is your insight to refute this?




Charles is just quoting what Marc said in HTN... but I want to add that I believe he says "one of the reasons" for leaving the band.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2010 at 07:38 PM
If you "read" the article, the point Marc was making about the crowes had more to do with the size of the tours. To paraphrase, I think he was saying that even the front row was way too far away. Even the people who payed the most (ie. the people who really dig the band) were too far away to really allow the band to have much interaction. I didn't really get a vibe that he was bitching about how well off he was when he was a fellow crowe. I just don't see it.....

 

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