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  posted on 10/4/2010 at 03:57 AM
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I think he would be an interesting President. Firstly, he did not spoil his children. They have worked hard for their success. I remember Don Jr. saying that he had him driving out to Pennsylvania one time in bad weather because he needed to check on a supplier for a project. He treated him like an employee, no special treatment. THE Donald pays homage to his own Father, Fred Trump for instilling in him American values of hard work, honesty, integrity. He runs his businesses this way. So how could having a successful, hardworking businessman at the helm be bad for our country? He recently said that h'e thinking about running because "if somebody doesn't do something the America we know will cease to exist". He realizes he has power and he realizes a lot of Americans are fed up with how the country has been run (and I am referring to the pre-Obama days since I think Obama is doing a very good job with the mess he inherited).

He would bring about a balanced budget, he would get us out of overseas conflicts and countries where we do not need to be, and he would solidify America. If he runs I will stump for Trump in 2012!

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 01:20 PM
No.

 

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Mr. Trump is a businessman and knows how to run a business. The country is a business. It needs someone who understands how to run a business. Where do you allocate the money, for which projects, how do you manage Gross National Products, make sure people have jobs, can afford their houses etc. etc. It is a business. We need a businessman. He knows how to make businesses profitable, but he does not do it at the expense of cutting the throats of the entrepreneurs, small business people by outsourcing jobs to other countries.

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.


So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?
Had he only held public office, but been a mayor or governor, then the critiques about no executive experience would have never occurred because he'd have a record to review. Had he run a business or held a senor position in the private sector, that critique would have never occurred. He had done neither.

The way he's farmed out the stimulus, health care, and financial reform to Congress shows he's no executive with a clear, detailed vision of what he wants. Rather, the broad goal of bigger, redistributionist govt and social justice has been left to others for the details, with the kind of results one expects when such policies are created by committee.

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?
Had he only held public office, but been a mayor or governor, then the critiques about no executive experience would have never occurred because he'd have a record to review. Had he run a business or held a senor position in the private sector, that critique would have never occurred. He had done neither.

The way he's farmed out the stimulus, health care, and financial reform to Congress shows he's no executive with a clear, detailed vision of what he wants.


I completely and totally disagree. I think his weaknesses include the failure to communicate parts of his visions and his underestimation of how much the opposition hates him.

However, the last guy had a clear, detailed vision - he did whatever he wanted and didn't give a $hit if people liked it or not. How'd that turn out?

I think that like any other job interview, at some point you have to take a risk on someone. You have no idea what will happen after they take the job.

And, there is no place to get "experience" for being the President of the United States.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 02:45 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
Holy crap, do you actually compare being a real estate mogul where you make the final decisions and have basically a job for life with a job that requires everything you do to be approved by 2 groups of people numbering 553? And many of these people will fight you simply because you are in a different party than them? Are you serious?
That might actually apply if Trump used his own money exclusively for every project he's every run, and had free will to do whatever he wanted. He has boards of directors approval to gain, numerous funding sources to convince, layer upon layers of govt bureaucracies to get blessing from. If you think what he does is just sit around picking and choosing his next move at will with no one else to answer to or satisfy, you really don't understand a thing about his reality. Take any big NYC project he's done and I guarantee he has more that 553 bankers, lawyers, politicians, regulators, bureaucrats, executives, insurers, unions and god only knows who else to get to agree to his plan.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 02:46 PM
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Trump for President ???

To quote Kinky Friedman, "Why the hell not"?

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 02:54 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?
Had he only held public office, but been a mayor or governor, then the critiques about no executive experience would have never occurred because he'd have a record to review. Had he run a business or held a senor position in the private sector, that critique would have never occurred. He had done neither.

The way he's farmed out the stimulus, health care, and financial reform to Congress shows he's no executive with a clear, detailed vision of what he wants.
I completely and totally disagree. I think his weaknesses include the failure to communicate parts of his visions and his underestimation of how much the opposition hates him.

However, the last guy had a clear, detailed vision - he did whatever he wanted and didn't give a $hit if people liked it or not. How'd that turn out?

I think that like any other job interview, at some point you have to take a risk on someone. You have no idea what will happen after they take the job.

And, there is no place to get "experience" for being the President of the United States.
Its fine to rough up Bush for doing unpopular and harmful things. But Obama's done nothing that the majority of the public sees favorably. So we have one guy who executed on his detailed plan and made a mess, and the next who let Congress fill in the details of his plan which the public now sees as a mess. Two different approaches for more govt - same sh!tty results.

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?
Had he only held public office, but been a mayor or governor, then the critiques about no executive experience would have never occurred because he'd have a record to review. Had he run a business or held a senor position in the private sector, that critique would have never occurred. He had done neither.

The way he's farmed out the stimulus, health care, and financial reform to Congress shows he's no executive with a clear, detailed vision of what he wants.
I completely and totally disagree. I think his weaknesses include the failure to communicate parts of his visions and his underestimation of how much the opposition hates him.

However, the last guy had a clear, detailed vision - he did whatever he wanted and didn't give a $hit if people liked it or not. How'd that turn out?

I think that like any other job interview, at some point you have to take a risk on someone. You have no idea what will happen after they take the job.

And, there is no place to get "experience" for being the President of the United States.
Its fine to rough up Bush for doing unpopular and harmful things. But Obama's done nothing that the majority of the public sees favorably. So we have one guy who executed on his detailed plan and made a mess, and the next who let Congress fill in the details of his plan which the public now sees as a mess. Two different approaches for more govt - same sh!tty results.


"Nothing" the majority of the public sees favorably? Are you saying there is not one issue or item or action that 51% of the public sees or would see favorably?

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 03:15 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?


I'd say Trump could run organizational circles around a guy like Obama.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 04:01 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
So, you can't apply the "lack of executive experience" to Obama because it doesn't matter anyway?
Had he only held public office, but been a mayor or governor, then the critiques about no executive experience would have never occurred because he'd have a record to review. Had he run a business or held a senor position in the private sector, that critique would have never occurred. He had done neither.

The way he's farmed out the stimulus, health care, and financial reform to Congress shows he's no executive with a clear, detailed vision of what he wants.
I completely and totally disagree. I think his weaknesses include the failure to communicate parts of his visions and his underestimation of how much the opposition hates him.

However, the last guy had a clear, detailed vision - he did whatever he wanted and didn't give a $hit if people liked it or not. How'd that turn out?

I think that like any other job interview, at some point you have to take a risk on someone. You have no idea what will happen after they take the job.

And, there is no place to get "experience" for being the President of the United States.
Its fine to rough up Bush for doing unpopular and harmful things. But Obama's done nothing that the majority of the public sees favorably. So we have one guy who executed on his detailed plan and made a mess, and the next who let Congress fill in the details of his plan which the public now sees as a mess. Two different approaches for more govt - same sh!tty results.
"Nothing" the majority of the public sees favorably? Are you saying there is not one issue or item or action that 51% of the public sees or would see favorably?
I think the public clearly still likes him as an individual, and if we're counting that as one to put in the "favors" column, then no question he has that. Hell, I even like him from a strictly personal, non-politics perspective. But as far as major policy initiatives - the stuff that Presidential legacies are built from - then no, I don't think the majority of the public finds much favor in what he done.

He might get ok marks on financial reform because most folks wouldn't know whats in there. But the stimulus and health care? Not a chance.

I will metion one postion I like of his; education reform. He's been challenging the teacher's unions, which needs to be done. Will it turn into anything meaningful? We'll see.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 04:31 PM


 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 04:58 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.
Holy crap, do you actually compare being a real estate mogul where you make the final decisions and have basically a job for life with a job that requires everything you do to be approved by 2 groups of people numbering 553? And many of these people will fight you simply because you are in a different party than them? Are you serious?
That might actually apply if Trump used his own money exclusively for every project he's every run, and had free will to do whatever he wanted. He has boards of directors approval to gain, numerous funding sources to convince, layer upon layers of govt bureaucracies to get blessing from. If you think what he does is just sit around picking and choosing his next move at will with no one else to answer to or satisfy, you really don't understand a thing about his reality. Take any big NYC project he's done and I guarantee he has more that 553 bankers, lawyers, politicians, regulators, bureaucrats, executives, insurers, unions and god only knows who else to get to agree to his plan.
The bulk of the money he used was his own. Sure, he has investors, but he maintains a controlling interest in his businesses. And, as I have said before, he doesn't have an opposing party doing everything in its power to make him fail.
Please. There's armies of anti-development groups opposed to the kind of things he does, not to mention legions of regulators to please and unions to grease. I don't know where you get the info about financing, but he's not wealthy enough to self-finance the majority of the things he's involved in - nor would it be smart fiscally. OPM Otie, developers make their wealth leveraging other people's money.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 05:35 PM
So let's see, Trump makes huge deals - makes a personal fortune - protects his personal assets, and then has his company go into bankruptcy to wipe out debt and screw his venders. Then he repeats the cycle again. Yup, a great businessman and he'd make a great president. Maybe he could start another reality show about being POTUS too.
 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 08:11 PM
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Mr. Trump is a businessman and knows how to run a business. The country is a business. It needs someone who understands how to run a business. Where do you allocate the money, for which projects, how do you manage Gross National Products, make sure people have jobs, can afford their houses etc. etc. It is a business. We need a businessman. He knows how to make businesses profitable, but he does not do it at the expense of cutting the throats of the entrepreneurs, small business people by outsourcing jobs to other countries.


The country is most assuredly NOT a business. And that comes from someone who has said over and over again how prosperity is built on a robust private sector. But the United States of America is a nation not a business.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 08:12 PM
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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?
For starters, that's not what was said about Obama. The correct phrase was; "Obama has no executive experience", meaning he had never held a position where his decision was the sole, final, and ultimate vote for which he alone would be held responsible. Comments have also consistently been made about his lack of private sector experience. By the look of things, those concerns were well justified.

By that measure, Trump has vastly more experience than Obama, though that alone doesn't qualify one for the office.


He didn't have much legislative or for that matter any other experience with national issues or politics.

 

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/39515987#39515987


 

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  posted on 10/5/2010 at 10:21 PM
From the responses one here I can only assume Trump would be running as a repbulican.....if he wasn't, some of the posters would be denouncing his campaign and lack of experience on a national level. As it is, it appears he's totally qualified and his daughter is hot. Really.....don't some of you people get laid enough that a candidate's qualification is a hot daughter?

 

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If Obama was inexperienced, what would you say about Trump?


I'd say Trump could run organizational circles around a guy like Obama.


I'd say you don't have a clue. There is no opposing party stonewalling Trump.


Stonewalling how? His own party controls everything and they have enough votes to pass anything they want.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2010 at 08:54 AM
"they have enough votes to pass anything they want."

I think you need to read the rules of the Senate before making such a statement as they don't have enough votes in that Chamber to "pass anything they want."

 

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Maybe I should have said "had." Regardless, if they are guilty of obstruction
they will get punished at the polls in November. We'll see how it works out.
Some may view the Republicans negatively for obstruction, others might
consider it listening to the public. We're getting ready to find out how bad
they hurt themselves.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2010 at 09:42 AM
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Maybe I should have said "had." Regardless, if they are guilty of obstruction
they will get punished at the polls in November. We'll see how it works out.
Some may view the Republicans negatively for obstruction, others might
consider it listening to the public. We're getting ready to find out how bad
they hurt themselves.


Is the public saying that the GOP should oppose everything the Democrats want to do while they (the GOP) offers nothing as an alternative? Is that what you think?


Which Obama initiatives do you think they should have supported? Should they
have blown off popular sentiment and supported those anyway?

 

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