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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 06:39 PM
I just reviewed Santana's new CD for Associated Content. I really did not like the album at all.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5812266/santana_turned_away_at_the _gates_of.html?cat=9

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 07:43 PM
I agree with everything you wrote.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 07:53 PM
Good Review , I also agree with what you are saying , Sacred Fire is the last Santana album I have purchased .

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 08:20 PM
OUCH!!! I guess he did not like it ,huh? I probably won't buy it. Carlos has been doing this for about 10 yrs now and I though he would have gave it up after Supernatural , but we got two more like that and now this one.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 10:55 PM
I don't know, I still really like the album. Your least favorite song is my favorite song...

Since AC/DC sucks by definition, any cover of their work is an improvement on the original, and I don't share your apparent aversion to rap, so the Nas/Santana version of Back In Black is just fine by me!

Just my opinion, no offense intended. I read your other stuff and we really don't have the same taste in music, but that's all it is: taste.













 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 11:11 PM
Think I'll pass on this new one...I'm also tired of the "guest star" format Carlos has used since Supernatural....I know one thing for sure....I see more copies of Supernatural in used cd bin's than any other cd ever...I traded my copy in yr's ago....

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 11:21 PM
I didn't like Supernatural either...










 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 04:48 AM
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Since AC/DC sucks by definition, any cover of their work is an improvement on the original, by me!









Thats BLASPHEMY!!!



[Edited on 9/21/2010 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 06:59 AM
^^ I thought their whole appeal was that they sucked, but that you were gonna listen anyway! Simple, crunchy, head banging stuff with horrible lyrics, but you were hooked... Same way that The Ramones were bad on purpose, no?











 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 08:14 AM
On the anniversary of Jimi's death, they played a recent interview with Carlos asking about Jimi. When asked what Jimi would be playing if alive, Carlos answered that he would be playing the same stuff as Carlos. Influenced by jazz, African and Cucan styles which leaves one to wonder if Carlos even listens to what he releases. I love Santana but the honest answer did not come from him. I highly doubt that Jimi would be playing Def Leppard.

Carlos should listen back to that interview and play what he says he is playing. I think we all agree that these types of discs should have ended after Supernatural.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 09:08 AM
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I highly doubt that Jimi would be playing Def Leppard.


And no one in the 50's and 60's thought Elvis would be a fat, jump-suited Vegas act by the 70's either.

The point is, you can't possibly know what Jimi would be doing if he were alive today.


Comparing today's Santana to 70's Santana and to an imaginary, not-dead 2010 Hendrix is stupid...

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leaves one to wonder if Carlos even listens to what he releases


I'm pretty sure he is not the dense, out-of-touch, uninvolved person that everyone in this thread thinks he is. One thing that comes through in interviews with him is that he loves music and he loves to play guitar.

He's doing what he wants to do right now, you can listen or not, as you desire. If he wanted to churn out albums full of Tito Puente songs with a reconstituted Santana Blues Band people would probably b!tch about that too!!


















 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 10:49 AM
Blasphemy indeed about AC/DC!

And Sacred Fire has way too much cheezy sounding synthesizer sound for me. Not a favorite of mine. Despite the annoyance of the guest star, I found parts of Supernatural actually creative and better than Sacred Fire - at least it didn't have that synth.

This new Carlos record didn't seem like a good idea the first time I read about it. Some covers albums work, but not many.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 11:34 AM
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Since AC/DC sucks by definition, any cover of their work is an improvement on the original, by me!







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Thats BLASPHEMY!!!



Yeah I can't get behind this kind of nonesense either. AC/DC is fantastic......basic?...yes, but still just good ole fashioned rock n' roll. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 11:43 AM
i was gonna buy this...thanks for the review--it sounds like crap....Santana needs to lose Clive Davis
 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 12:23 PM
I think that is a very good and very honest review. Jim - I respect and trust your opinion. I'm not a fan of Santana doing covers, or the guest format. I was very happy to see Santana this summer and have it be a Santana concert.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 02:23 PM
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AC/DC is fantastic


Please...

Nothing wrong with liking them. They do what they do better than almost anyone, but, c'mon, they are a cartoon band!

"Hey, we don't have a song about Balls on this record yet, someone write one quick!"

Sorry I brought them up in this thread, but they did write Back In Black, so it was on topic.

Guess we need a new thread to discuss the total, like awesomeness of head bangin', hard rockin' heavy metal bands...











 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 02:27 PM
If any guitar player learns to play the rhythms and leads to "Back in Black" correctly, that player has learned a very good lesson.

But yes, their lyrics are often cartoonish - then again, they are the musical descendents of Chuck Berry and the Stones, both of whom offered us plenty of cartoons.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 04:10 PM
Thanks for all the feedback. I listened to this disc twice and I was angry when I got done. it's said that good art gets an emotional response. this thing sure did. lol

@bigCTfan - it is definitely all about taste, and I admit I don't like rap/urban and what passes for R&B. I like the old R&B like Ray Charles, Isley Bros, James Brown. I love Miles Davis too and I think if his ghost was really talking to Carlos he'd be telling him to lose Clive Davis and go back to the latin blues & jazz.

@hotlantatim - I know what you mean about the synths on Sacred Fire but the Santana spirit was there. I thought Supernatural had some great stuff but I didn't think he'd keep doing that for the next ten years. As a one-off it was great.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 06:06 PM
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I like the old R&B like Ray Charles, Isley Bros, James Brown. I love Miles Davis too


I like all those artists too...

I guess I've just opened up to a lot of music as I've gotten older. When I was younger I had very definite criteria for what made "good" music. Anything too popular, smacking of disco or pop music, all country, jam bands (all we had was the Dead), anything from before around '64, any of these were enough for me to dislike a song or album. And if an artist ticked me off once, I would never, never listen to his stuff ever again!!

For what Guitar Heaven tries to be, it is very good. It is perfect for a drive across town in 90 degree weather with the windows down. That's what I'm going to do right now!










 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 06:16 PM
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Please...

Nothing wrong with liking them. They do what they do better than almost anyone, but, c'mon, they are a cartoon band!

"Hey, we don't have a song about Balls on this record yet, someone write one quick!"

Sorry I brought them up in this thread, but they did write Back In Black, so it was on topic.

Guess we need a new thread to discuss the total, like awesomeness of head bangin', hard rockin' heavy metal bands...














Thats cool, we have all are own tastes. They're good at what they do and the music is fun and getcha your toe tappin'. They can still bring the crowds at concerts so I guess there are alot of us who like who llike mindless cartoon rock. You can't deny what they have done over they're career whether you like them or not. It sells and people dig it.
Nothing wrong with hard rockin head banging music. If you don't like , don't listen.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 06:26 PM
Heck, I listen to Black Ice at work all the time. It is great at drowning out the boss...



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By those criteria we should all be big Def Leppard fans!

"As one of the world's best-selling music artists, Def Leppard have sold over 65 million albums worldwide, and have two albums with RIAA diamond certification, Pyromania and Hysteria. They are one of only five rock bands with two original studio albums selling over 10 million copies in the U.S. The band were ranked #31 in VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock". Def Leppard continue to play concerts in stadiums, arenas and rock festivals around the world, and plan to tour again in 2011."

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Heck, I listen to Black Ice at work all the time. It is great at drowning out the boss...



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It sells and people dig it.


By those criteria we should all be big Def Leppard fans!

"As one of the world's best-selling music artists, Def Leppard have sold over 65 million albums worldwide, and have two albums with RIAA diamond certification, Pyromania and Hysteria. They are one of only five rock bands with two original studio albums selling over 10 million copies in the U.S. The band were ranked #31 in VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock". Def Leppard continue to play concerts in stadiums, arenas and rock festivals around the world, and plan to tour again in 2011."

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AC/DC still sells, Def Lep does not

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 09:30 PM
The last Santana for me was Zebop. I think his best stuff was before 1975. Those early CD from the Fillmore and SF Mission District were raw and full of passion. The stuff from the last 10 years to me is a guy going through the motion.
 

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The last Santana for me was Zebop. I think his best stuff was before 1975. Those early CD from the Fillmore and SF Mission District were raw and full of passion. The stuff from the last 10 years to me is a guy going through the motion.


No argument there!

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 10:04 PM
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And no one in the 50's and 60's thought Elvis would be a fat, jump-suited Vegas act by the 70's either.

The point is, you can't possibly know what Jimi would be doing if he were alive today.


Comparing today's Santana to 70's Santana and to an imaginary, not-dead 2010 Hendrix is stupid...



It was Santana discussing it, not me. Besides he wasn't comparing to 70s Santana. He was talking present day but the honest truth is that since Supernatural he has gone away from the jazz influence.

I don't think he is dumb. I love Santana's playing and if he chooses to go this route, it won't take away from what I love. Don't have to buy every album. He does them because the company wants them and he actually makes money from them which is rare. Besides much of the album is put together and Carlos comes in and lays guitar on top.

Personally I don't believe Hendrix would be playing Def Leppard though.

 

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