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  posted on 9/17/2010 at 06:54 PM
I read a while back the ABB had music left over from hittin the note album.I saw on the moogis website where Butch recently stated that the ABB will not go into a studio again but will play new music as part of a live album when the Heck is this going to happen? I would think warren,derek,oteil and marc would be more than willing to start some new material are the original members the ones holding this back?
 
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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 12:54 PM
I gave up trying to figure out how and why this organization does what they do a long time ago.

By far and away my all time favorite band, but I've given up trying to make sense out of the decisions they make sometimes.

They will never go into a studio again. Why not? There is $$$ to be made?

No more archive releases in spite of hundreds of them sitting in a closet somewhere. Why not? There is $$$ to be made.

No follow up DVD since the one in 03. Why not? There is $$$ to be made?

Why no DVD of the 40th shows? There is $$$ to be made?

No release of the Watgens Glen event. Why not? There is $$$ to be made?

I'm just extremely grateful for the Instant Lives, but I'm almost expecting them to be discontinued because too much money is coming in from them.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 02:39 PM
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Why no DVD of the 40th shows? There is $$$ to be made?


lots of artists with recording contracts prevents them from appearing on a DVD

same problem with Derek, Sony limits what he can do outside his contract.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 06:17 PM
Heck , about half of the material on that release was nothing new written by the band, so I am not sure how much could be left over.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 07:02 PM
I've always read that these days, a band doesn't make any money off of CDs due to the costs associated with the recording, the studio, advances to the band/musicians,the distribution and so on. After the CD is recorded, they go on tour to first pay back the debts incurred during making the CD and then they make a profit. Bands only make money, and they make the most money touring. If they don't have a CD to support, then there is not anything to reimburse the record company for at all---the money made after expenses goes directly to the band.

So, if this is the true, the ABB makes more money by touring without a CD to support than the other way around. By making the live album, they would be killing two birds with one stone, though I am sure the CD costs would still drive down the profit margin.

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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 07:04 PM
That's why the Grateful Dead toured incessantly....it was the only way to make money, real money to either reimburse the record company for their albums or to fund the next Grateful Dead project.

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  posted on 9/19/2010 at 07:27 PM
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That's why the Grateful Dead toured incessantly....it was the only way to make money, real money to either reimburse the record company for their albums or to fund the next Grateful Dead project.

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Good point. If the Brothers get together for a few shows a year, and that's what suits them, I'm good with it as long as i can catch at least one show.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 01:05 AM
If they feel it costs too much for a physical CD why not just release music on the internet? They have hundreds of shows recorded that they could easily sell online.


 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 03:03 AM
The recording process probably only costs too much when a much in demand and expensive studio and/or producer are booked and the actual recording stretches too long.
But the ABB do not need to noodle around in a studio for 6 months. Since they are a very organic band that records "live the studio" recording a new cd would not be that expensive. They could record at Derek's home studio and Warren/Derek could produce.
It will probably not sell very well (like most CD's nowadays) but that doesn't mean a new studio album is deemed an artistic failure as well. They could still write some killer songs and reserve them for the ABB in stead of solo projects and handpick some fine cover
tunes. That way they could prove that they are not a nostalgia band but release music that matters. Just my 2 cents.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 06:51 AM
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If they feel it costs too much for a physical CD why not just release music on the internet? They have hundreds of shows recorded that they could easily sell online.





I have always thought the same, release via the internet. You would have to buy the whole the album. Not just buy a few songs. Derek has a studio, so that would save.

I am surprised more groups do not do that.

Other bands such as Deep Purple ,Cheap Trick, Skynyrd continue to release material, so
there must something still to it. It must be worth it to them and others of that era and genre.

I think alot of it with the ABB is the creative talent of that band, Warren and Derek, have they're other bands , the ABB are slowing down on the touring, and there is not that much time to be a "band" to gel and write songs. To me the process is not there with these guys over the last 5-6 yrs. It's understandable . It's just my opinion and view.
They are still a great band at what they do.

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 07:22 AM
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Heck , about half of the material on that release was nothing new written by the band, so I am not sure how much could be left over.



LOL

Maybe they should just release cover albums like Santana does? Gregg and Fergie singing about their humps? I will pass.

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 09:27 AM
I think it's a combination of things. Not much money to be made selling studio recorded CD's, their age, creative juices, and the fact that they make far more money selling Instant Lives and touring. I don't get the DVD thing though. That seems pretty cheap to do given they probably have plenty of footage and it could be easily distributed to the die-hard fans who'd most likely be the ones to buy it anyway. Like from this website, for instance......
 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 09:39 AM
Live DVD's would be nice.

I'm still waiting on an comprehensive "Runnin' Down A Dream" documentary on the band.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 09:57 AM
Bet the real documentary on the band doesn't get made. Had a chance of one with Kirk West working for the band, but highly doubtful now. Shame.

As for a new album, it's really amazing that the original members wouldn't want to record more than once with someone as freakishly good and creative as Derek Trucks, particularly with the synergy he has with Oteil & Warren. And the guy has the studio of his own where it could be recorded! Heck, even if it was just an album to make to hand out to friends and family I'd do it. If the Derek Trucks Band and Gov't Mule can make multiple albums that can distributed worldwide (that don't appear to make them poor), it's simply just a lack of interest from Gregg, Butch & Gregg that keeps the ABB from doing it.

The ABB benefited more than just the pure # of CDs sold of Hittin the Note, which was about 200,000. I know I'm a broken record on this topic!

But I'm very happy Gregg recorded again and I'm looking forward to hearing it in January.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 05:24 PM
It is hard to believe with the talent of Derek,warren,oteil and greggs voice they would not want to put out 1 more album before the ABB call it a day..I do like the idea of selling some songs on this website for a buck or two..it would not cost them much and still make some profit.
 

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  posted on 9/20/2010 at 10:07 PM
Considering this band's natural element is the stage, who needs a new studio album? While "Bag End" and "Egypt" are the only new material since Hittin' the Note (other than some fresh covers here and there), I definitely prefer to pick up new material from a live show than a studio show. Back in 1971 the band and many fans wished all of their albums could be live; now they are. I know people want new material, but considering how busy everyone is, I will take what I can get.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 12:57 AM
is there really as strong of a demand as people are saying? if it was that big you think rhino would have offered them a deal like they did the doors and the grateful dead.
 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 01:01 AM
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While "Bag End" and "Egypt" are the only new material since Hittin' the Note (other than some fresh covers here and there),


Bag End???

 

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While "Bag End" and "Egypt" are the only new material since Hittin' the Note (other than some fresh covers here and there),


Bag End???


It's the instrumental the band introduced at the 2009 Beacon Run. I don't think they put a name on it until this year (check the United Palace set lists), for a while it was rumored to be called "Orpheo" I believe. I don't think it has anything more to do with Tolkein than "The Battle of Evermore".

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 09:29 AM
BAG end - as in play a B, and A, and a G.....probably towrad the end of the song....
 
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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 12:24 PM
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BAG end - as in play a B, and A, and a G.....probably towrad the end of the song....


OK

So did it turn out that "Orpheo" wasnt the name?

 

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While "Bag End" and "Egypt" are the only new material since Hittin' the Note (other than some fresh covers here and there),


Bag End???


It's the instrumental the band introduced at the 2009 Beacon Run. I don't think they put a name on it until this year (check the United Palace set lists), for a while it was rumored to be called "Orpheo" I believe. I don't think it has anything more to do with Tolkein than "The Battle of Evermore".


Whatcha mean? Doesn't "Evermore" have a bunch of Tolkien-inspired LYRICS?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 01:25 PM
Not as much as "Ramble On"

 

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 01:37 PM
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Heck , about half of the material on that release was nothing new written by the band, so I am not sure how much could be left over.


Not sure where that is coming from. There are 11 cuts on Hittin' The Note. Granted, Rockin' Horse was a Mule tune (to my knowledge, anyway) before but it was co-written by Gregg Allman, Warren Haynes, Allen Woody and Jack Pearson. There are only two cover tunes on Hittin' The Note: Woman Across The River (B. Crutcher/A. Jones) and Heart of Stone (Jagger/Richards). Of the remaining 8 tunes, every single one was co-written by Warren Haynes with various others, including Gregg Allman on four of them. So how would one conclude that those 8 tunes were "nothing new written by the band"?

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  posted on 9/21/2010 at 01:44 PM
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Not as much as "Ramble On"




Yeah

I read the books back in Jr. High, and I don't remember Gollum and the Evil One creepin up and slipping away with A Girl So Fair, but I love the song.

 
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