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Author: Subject: 43 Conservative Bloggers Select The 25 Worst Figures In American History

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:49 AM
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Out of all the gangsters, serial killers, mass murderers, incompetent & crooked politicians, spies, traitors, and ultra left-wing kooks in all of American history -- have you ever wondered who the worst of the worst was?

1 Jimmy Carter (25)
2 Barack Obama (23) 
3 Franklin Delano Roosevelt (21)
4 The Rosenbergs (19)
5 Benedict Arnold (17)
5 Woodrow Wilson (17)
7 Ted Kennedy (14)
7 Lyndon Johnson (14)
9 Aldrich Ames (11)
9 Timothy McVeigh (11)
11 John Wilkes Booth (10)
11 Margaret Sanger (10)
13 Al Gore (9)
13 Noam Chomsky (9)
13 Richard Nixon (9)
13 Jane Fonda (9)
13 Harry Reid (9)
13 Nancy Pelosi (9)
19 Michael Moore
19 George Soros (8)
19 Alger Hiss (8)
19 Al Sharpton (8)
23 Saul Alinsky
23 Bill Clinton
23 Hillary Clinton

http://rightwingnews.com/2010/08/conservative-bloggers-select-the-25-worst- figures-in-american-history/




 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:52 AM
No Carl Rove or Dick Cheney?!

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:55 AM
I'll bet Bill and Hillary are P!SSED!

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:57 AM
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20 Worst Americans
John Hawkins asked a bunch of right of center bloggers to list the "20 Worst Americans of all time," from which he compiled the following list. The comments are mine. Personally, I find the collated list pretty much of a joke. It reflects the partisan passions of the moment, not anything resembling a serious verdict of history.

23) Saul Alinsky (7)--a bad guy, to be sure, but top 20?
23) Bill Clinton (7)--GOPers still mad because he beat the crap out of them; sour grapes
23) Hillary Clinton (7)--I don't like her, but I think she's making a good Secretary of State
19) Michael Moore (7)--agree
19) George Soros (8)--maybe top 40
19) Alger Hiss (8)--the traitors are way to low on this list
19) Al Sharpton (8)--eh
13) Al Gore (9)--depends on whether global warming is as bad as he thinks it is
13) Noam Chomsky (9)--annoying to be sure, but not in top 20
13) Richard Nixon (9)--fair enough
13) Jane Fonda (9)--has been much less annoying in recent years
13) Harry Reid (9)--he's effective and wrong but not evil
13) Nancy Pelosi (9)--annoying? yes. one of the worst? no.
11) John Wilkes Booth (10)--finally somebody I wholeheartedly agree with, but should be higher
11) Margaret Sanger (10)--nope
9) Aldrich Ames (11)--yes, but should be higher
9) Timothy McVeigh (11)--yes, but should be higher
7) Ted Kennedy (14)--higher than the worst domestic terrorist? no
7) Lyndon Johnson (14)--ditto
5) Benedict Arnold (17)--too low
5) Woodrow Wilson (17)--huh?
4) The Rosenbergs (19)--good
3) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (21)--give him some credit for managing the winning coalition in WW II
2) Barack Obama (23)--way too high, even if socialized medicine ends up being his legacy
1) Jimmy Carter (25)-- being feckless and sanctimonious doesn't make him a bad guy

All in all, I have to agree with Jim Geraghty that:

I’m no fan of most of the Democrats on the list, and there are some good picks. But most of the modern political figures look ridiculous when we compare their actions to some of America’s most really notorious figures.

I agree with a lot of his alternatives too.

Anyway, I was one of the bloggers Hawkins polled, but as you'll see my list differs in a number of respects from the norm. Mine's in alphabetical order, BTW.

Aldrich Ames--traitor
Benedict Arnold--traitor
John Wilkes Booth--killed our greatest President, contender for #1 on my list if rank ordered
James Buchanan--feckless President whose inaction allowed the Southern rebellion to get off the ground
Aaron Burr--traitor and murderer of Hamilton
Robert Byrd--KKK member and the worst pork politician in history, plus an insufferable prig
Jefferson Davis--leader of the traitorous Southern rebels
Louis Farrakhan--race hate monger
Nathan Bedford Forrest--treasonous Rebel general, caused or condoned the mass murder of black soldiers at Fort Pillow, founder of the KKK, contender for # 1
Rutherford B. Hayes--President who threw Reconstruction under the bus to steal election
Paris Hilton--personification of the celebrity obsessed culture
Alger Hiss--traitor with really annoying apologists
Jim Jones--mass murderer and race hate monger
Ted Kennedy--Chappaquiddick, probable rapist, almost certainly a rape abettor, and progenitor of what might become socialized medicine
Bernie Madoff--worst financial swindler
Timothy McVeigh--worst domestic terrorist, probably # 1 on my list if rank ordered
Michael Moore--he just oozes evil
Ethel and Julius Rosenberg--atomic bomb traitors
Roger Taney--Chief Justice who decided Dred Scott and Ex Parte Merryman
Morrison Waite--Chief Justice whose decision in United States v. Cruikshank effectively disabled the federal government from protecting the freed blacks from white southern terrorists during Reconstruction
As you see, I focused mainly on traitors, since it is in some ways the worst of social crimes. Few crimes affect all of society in the way that treason does. Since I believe the Southern rebellion was the worst act of collective treason in our history, I gave it high priority. Since I believe the failure of Reconstruction is one of the great tragedies of our history, it deserved recognition too.

And then there's just a couple of folks who really annoy the crap out of me. But I tried to keep them to a minimum. And I really think you can make a case for Byrd and Kennedy deserving to be at least in the top 100. In their own ways, they each personify and symbolize some of the worst aspects of our political life. So I'd argue that only Hilton and Moore are real reaches on my part.

The one person who slipped my mind, but whom I probably would have found room for if I had thought of him in time is L. Ron Hubbard as our worst religious false prophet.

Update: Tyler Cown comments:

It's also hard for me to see how Bainbridge ends up with Paris Hilton and Michael Moore in his list of the worst and he seems to acknowledge this oddity toward the end of his post.

I did acknowledge that they were both a reach. Having said that, let me run the following defense of including them up the flag pole to see if anybody salutes: Moore and Hilton--like Byrd and Kennedy--may not deserve to be on my list on their own demerits, but they personify and symbolize--indeed have become icons for--things that really bug me about our culture:

Byrd for runaway pork barrel spending

Kennedy for the arrogant licentiousness of some many of our political elites

Hilton as one of the earliest examples of how it is now possible in our culture to be famous merely for being famous without having any significant merit or worth

Moore for the coarsening of our political discourse and the legitimation of propaganda as entertainment

These are all bad things, even if they aren't all bad people.

Since I wanted somebody to symbolize them, these 4 seemed plausible candidates.

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/08/20-worst- americans.html#tp


 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:57 AM
Huh. Obama is worse than Timothy McVeigh. Got it.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 11:00 AM
There's one person who I know will do everything he can to minimize all this and even defend it, so in the interest of levity...

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Some of My Fellow Righty Bloggers Need a Broader Definition of ‘Worst Figure’

August 13, 2010 11:09 AM By Jim Geraghty


I can’t believe conservative bloggers put a bunch of garden-variety Democratic politicians so high, when asked to compile a list of the Worst Figures in American History.

I’m no fan of most of the Democrats on the list, and there are some good picks. But most of the modern political figures look ridiculous when we compare their actions to some of America’s most really notorious figures.

No Al Capone? No Machine Gun Kelly or the Lindbergh baby kidnappers?

No Jefferson Davis or anyone else associated with the Confederacy beyond John Wilkes Booth? Speaking of presidential assassins, no Lee Harvey Oswald? (Oh, I know, I know, he was the fall guy for the big conspiracy.) Aaron Burr gets a pass for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel?

Isn’t Johnny Walker Lindh or Robert Hanssen a more clear-cut case than Jane Fonda or either of the Clintons?

No Charles Manson? Come on. You’re really telling me Al Sharpton and Michael Moore outrank somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer, who ate people? Race-baiting and rabble-rousing outrank cannibalism?

No Jim Jones (cult leader, not national security adviser) or David Koresh?

Not one villain from America’s business world? No ruthless layoff king like “Chainsaw Al” Dunlap? No Ken Lay? Bernie Madoff couldn’t reach the top 20?

UPDATE: A couple readers argue that I’m being a bit unfair, that clearly many of these bloggers using the measuring stick of how far a figure’s bad deeds reached, instead of who committed the most evil acts in American history.

I actually think you can make strong cases for some of the political figures on this list. Anyone who’s read Liberal Fascism understands Wilson’s inclusion, and there’s a lot of supporting evidence to the argument that Jimmy Carter was the century’s worst, or most ineffective president. I think demonizing FDR is as foolish as lionizing him, and as time goes by, I feel less animus towards Bill Clinton, and his signing of welfare reform alone ought to keep him off this list.

But some of these names strike me as ludicrously small time for the scale of this list. Fahrenheit 9/11 and his other crap documentaries put Michael Moore in the top 20 worst figures in American history? I’m not even sure he’s among my 20 least favorite liberals at this moment. Al Sharpton? Soros?

A lot of the list comes across as “the top figures who bug conservative bloggers,” and I don’t think it’s healthy to mix the categories of “people who bug me” and “history’s greatest monsters.” Even if the Simpsons did put Jimmy Carter atop that list first.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/243264/some-my-fellow-righty-bl oggers-need-broader-definition-worst-figure


 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 11:01 AM
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Huh. Obama is worse than Timothy McVeigh. Got it.


43 conservative bloggers can't be wrong, insignificant as they are...

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 01:20 PM
Pretty good list as far as I can see. I think obama is #1 and W. Wilson #2.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 01:54 PM
Not surprised at all to see Noam Chomsky on the Conservative "Hate List."



Anytime any conservative would get into a face-to-face debate with Chomsky
about American foreign policy, Chomsky would make his opponent wish he never
got into a debate with him.


The classic Noam Chomsky/William F. Buckley debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Samvw6Z08


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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 02:06 PM
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Huh. Obama is worse than Timothy McVeigh. Got it.


That's because Timothy McVeigh was a hate throwing right winger that likely watched too much Fox News. He'd be a proud tea bagger if he was around today.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 03:50 PM
I'm surprised Alec Baldwin didn't make the list.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 04:00 PM
WTF?

Algore is only 13?

Bogus.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 04:01 PM
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I'm surprised Alec Baldwin didn't make the list.


As am I. He's worse than most serial killers.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 04:03 PM
I've been wondering if the inclusion of Nixon was a "add one Republican for fairness" pick.

I mean, that's pretty impressive. All the millions of Republicans that have come and gone and only one was bad.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 05:15 PM
Wow.......just 'Wow.'

 

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I've been wondering if the inclusion of Nixon was a "add one Republican for fairness" pick.

I mean, that's pretty impressive. All the millions of Republicans that have come and gone and only one was bad.


Republicans freely admit when they are wrong. Nixon was wrong because he got caught. The rest of them got away with everything.


Wonder if they dont like him because he suggested a national health care system?

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:12 PM
Benedict Arnold was one of my ancestors.

Yea.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2010 at 10:33 PM
I think they really just selected the 25 people they like to whine about the most. Should anyone care?

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 09:34 AM
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Wonder if they dont like him because he suggested a national health care system?


Well, Nixon proposed and Congress passed the HMO Act which along with Congress's actions in the 1940s and Medicaire in 1965 doomed individual health insurance and helped make insurance a big part of government force: tax code changes and employer rules, subsidies, and (like most things the national government gets involved with) higher costs. He belongs on there for his part in proposing to Congress his healthcare changes alone.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 11:02 AM
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Huh. Obama is worse than Timothy McVeigh. Got it.


That's because Timothy McVeigh was a hate throwing right winger that likely watched too much Fox News. He'd be a proud tea bagger if he was around today.


mcveigh got his crazy ideas from the turner diaries and the screw up at waco by the fbi and the atf..fox wasn't even on the air in 1995

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 11:10 AM
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Aldrich Ames--traitor


He used to leave messages on a mailbox which was on the block that I lived on in DC. I swear I think I may have seen him one night, and just thought he was some weird dude mailing letters at 3am. He probably thought I was some drunk a-hole coming home at 3am (he was right)!!

This list reminds me of Olberman’s worst person in the world bit. I love watching that and expecting someone really horrible and then it will be someone like Bill Bennett (horrible, yes, but not the worst), and I sit there thinking, is Richard Speck or anyone like him still alive…because he was pretty awful, but somehow, they never make the list.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 01:46 PM
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Huh. Obama is worse than Timothy McVeigh. Got it.


That's because Timothy McVeigh was a hate throwing right winger that likely watched too much Fox News. He'd be a proud tea bagger if he was around today.


This is a pretty disgusting thing to say but not surprising.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 01:47 PM
I wonder who liberals would pick? Think the list would be limited to mass murderers?

 

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  posted on 8/17/2010 at 01:54 PM
Right on cue...

 

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I wonder who liberals would pick? Think the list would be limited to mass murderers?


Liberals don't make stupid lists like this so who the hell cares what you wonder?


Nice response. Really liberal of you.

 

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