Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2    3    4  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Tolerance & Freedom Outreach Re: Ground Zero Mosque

Maximum Peach





Posts: 8384
(8385 all sites)
Registered: 3/22/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/10/2010 at 10:55 PM
Comedian Greg Gutfled had the following commentary on his show "Red Eye" last night...

quote:
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?

Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.

I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.

Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.

My place, however, will have better music.
Some proposed names...

The Queer'an

Gaybraham's

Mohammie's Retreat

The 72nd virgin

Jihad Me at Hello

The Gay Allahs

Allahu Gaybar

The Sphinx-ter

Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy

The Homo Side Bomber

Jihad's and Rods

Weapons of Ass Destruction

Allahs in Wonderland

Midnight at the Oasis

Mecca inn & out

SCUD Marks

Khomeini Men, Kholittle Time

Mo's Hole

Allah Akbar and Grill

Osama bin Dover

 

____________________
Obamacare: To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured
uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again,
so the original uninsured can be insured for free.

 
Replies:

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16174
(16174 all sites)
Registered: 10/6/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 05:19 AM
Yuk yuk yuk, religious intolerance is so funny! Thanks for posting!

 

____________________
Missing- 245 spines. If found, please send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rest to the Capitol building care of the Democratic Party.

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 9082
(9082 all sites)
Registered: 2/25/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 08:20 AM
That is very funny. I don't know who will be more mortified, the people going into the Mosque, or the construction workers who frequent Dakota Roadhouse.
 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46486
(46487 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 08:31 AM
From that angle and context, I think that's hilarious.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 08:49 AM
quote:
Comedian Greg Gutfled had the following commentary on his show "Red Eye" last night...

quote:
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?

Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.

I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.

Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.

My place, however, will have better music.
Some proposed names...

The Queer'an

Gaybraham's

Mohammie's Retreat

The 72nd virgin

Jihad Me at Hello

The Gay Allahs

Allahu Gaybar

The Sphinx-ter

Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy

The Homo Side Bomber

Jihad's and Rods

Weapons of Ass Destruction

Allahs in Wonderland

Midnight at the Oasis

Mecca inn & out

SCUD Marks

Khomeini Men, Kholittle Time

Mo's Hole

Allah Akbar and Grill

Osama bin Dover




No. He has it wrong. We have to show tolerance for Islam. They don't have to show tolerance for anything else. Asking for tolerance would violate their first amendment rights.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46486
(46487 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:10 AM
"When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race. America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect. Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value."

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 23380
(23379 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:16 AM
quote:
quote:
"When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race. America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect. Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value."

I give, who said that?


George W. Bush.

A week after September 11th.

[Edited on 8/11/2010 by michaelsio]

 

____________________
Quit!

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 11437
(11442 all sites)
Registered: 8/21/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:33 AM
It is funny, especially the name "Jihad me at hello." Some of the others might get a fatwah issued!

Fine, so long as we look into who is funding this bar!

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 23380
(23379 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:34 AM
I figured that Bhawk quoted a republican.

I just googled it.

 

____________________
Quit!

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 6432
(8677 all sites)
Registered: 12/12/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:43 AM
quote:
It is funny, especially the name "Jihad me at hello." Some of the others might get a fatwah issued!

Fine, so long as we look into who is funding this bar!
Good point. They may be trying to indoctrinate people to the gay lifestyle. Insidious business!!

 

____________________
This one goes to eleven...

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:55 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Comedian Greg Gutfled had the following commentary on his show "Red Eye" last night...

quote:
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?

Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.

I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.

Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.

My place, however, will have better music.
Some proposed names...

The Queer'an

Gaybraham's

Mohammie's Retreat

The 72nd virgin

Jihad Me at Hello

The Gay Allahs

Allahu Gaybar

The Sphinx-ter

Queer Eye for the Jihad Guy

The Homo Side Bomber

Jihad's and Rods

Weapons of Ass Destruction

Allahs in Wonderland

Midnight at the Oasis

Mecca inn & out

SCUD Marks

Khomeini Men, Kholittle Time

Mo's Hole

Allah Akbar and Grill

Osama bin Dover




No. He has it wrong. We have to show tolerance for Islam. They don't have to show tolerance for anything else. Asking for tolerance would violate their first amendment rights.

Way to ruin the joke, dude.


I'm going along with the joke by facetiously sticking up for Islam's right to be totally intolerant.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 09:56 AM
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 17361
(17416 all sites)
Registered: 9/9/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 10:26 AM
The reasoning against this is flawed in the context of our constitution and core beliefs as a nation. "Intolerance will not be tolerated." Give me a break.

 

____________________
Ask not for whom the bell tolls

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 11:32 AM
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46486
(46487 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 11:49 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


So why in the hell have we spent so much American blood and money in order to create an Islamic Republic?

9/11 was carried out by radical Islamists, we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam, and helped found an Islamic Republic, a constitutional theocracy where civil law must be based on Islamic law. I have never been able to understand why those who hold Islam in the highest contempt seem to be the same people that so vehemently support Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 67365
(67882 all sites)
Registered: 10/27/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 12:21 PM
quote:
quote:
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.


As opposed to the Christian world, which just completely loooooooves the gays.

Also: Gaybraham's? That's supposed to be funny?


I laughed.

 

____________________
Hittin' The Web::Hugh Duty Memorial Giveaway has begun!

RIP Hugh Duty

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8384
(8385 all sites)
Registered: 3/22/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 12:27 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


So why in the hell have we spent so much American blood and money in order to create an Islamic Republic?

9/11 was carried out by radical Islamists, we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam, and helped found an Islamic Republic, a constitutional theocracy where civil law must be based on Islamic law. I have never been able to understand why those who hold Islam in the highest contempt seem to be the same people that so vehemently support Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic.
A few possible answers to your question come to mind, all oil-based...

-- 1: To insure future access to Iraqi oil

-- 2: To provide the Saudi royal family the protection they desire, in the form of a controlled border state, from other Islamic factions that dislike and wish to unseat the Saudi leadership.

 

____________________
Obamacare: To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured

uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again,

so the original uninsured can be insured for free.

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 11675
(12118 all sites)
Registered: 1/8/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 12:32 PM
I like this one:

quote:
Allahs in Wonderland

 

____________________
We'd all like to vote for the best man, but he's never a candidate.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 23380
(23379 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 12:52 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


You haven't been to Ireland, have you? The Catholic Church has a stronghold that is just now starting to lessen. I believe within the last ten years it became legal to get a divorce.
I'm not equating the Catholic Church with terrorists, I'm just saying you let any religion get enough power it will run the land.
Look at this country, think an avowed atheist will ever be president? Regardless of their qualifications?

[Edited on 8/11/2010 by michaelsio]

 

____________________
Quit!

 

Universal Peach



Karma:
Posts: 6268
(6267 all sites)
Registered: 8/11/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 12:53 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


So why in the hell have we spent so much American blood and money in order to create an Islamic Republic?

9/11 was carried out by radical Islamists, we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam, and helped found an Islamic Republic, a constitutional theocracy where civil law must be based on Islamic law. I have never been able to understand why those who hold Islam in the highest contempt seem to be the same people that so vehemently support Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic.
A few possible answers to your question come to mind, all oil-based...

-- 1: To insure future access to Iraqi oil

-- 2: To provide the Saudi royal family the protection they desire, in the form of a controlled border state, from other Islamic factions that dislike and wish to unseat the Saudi leadership.


Bingo!

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46486
(46487 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 01:04 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


So why in the hell have we spent so much American blood and money in order to create an Islamic Republic?

9/11 was carried out by radical Islamists, we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam, and helped found an Islamic Republic, a constitutional theocracy where civil law must be based on Islamic law. I have never been able to understand why those who hold Islam in the highest contempt seem to be the same people that so vehemently support Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic.
A few possible answers to your question come to mind, all oil-based...

-- 1: To insure future access to Iraqi oil

-- 2: To provide the Saudi royal family the protection they desire, in the form of a controlled border state, from other Islamic factions that dislike and wish to unseat the Saudi leadership.


Yes, well, again. I'm speaking about something else entirely. I seriously doubt that the people that have supported the Iraq War from the get-go have always had the best interests of the Saudi Royal Family in mind. It was traitorous to oppose the operations in Iraq, and you also were a troop hater.

Where is that Iraqi oil, anyway? Last I read those folks pay about 40 cents a gallon for gas.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8384
(8385 all sites)
Registered: 3/22/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 01:17 PM
quote:
I seriously doubt that the people that have supported the Iraq War from the get-go have always had the best interests of the Saudi Royal Family in mind.
I'm a bit surprised you say that, given how closely Bush & Cheney were often reported to be to the Saudi royals. Maybe you're drawing a distinction between the "creators" of the war, and it's eventual "supporters".

After all, look where we based from for the first Iraqi tussle. Add to that reports that bin Laden wants the Saudi royals overthrown as one of his major goals. Seems like there there's a lot of cooperation by us to keep the Saudi's safe. Look at the recent F15 deal, for instance.

 

____________________
Obamacare: To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured

uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again,

so the original uninsured can be insured for free.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46486
(46487 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 01:32 PM
quote:
Maybe you're drawing a distinction between the "creators" of the war, and it's eventual "supporters".



I'm talking about the supporters, yes.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 02:17 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


So why in the hell have we spent so much American blood and money in order to create an Islamic Republic?

9/11 was carried out by radical Islamists, we invaded Iraq, deposed Saddam, and helped found an Islamic Republic, a constitutional theocracy where civil law must be based on Islamic law. I have never been able to understand why those who hold Islam in the highest contempt seem to be the same people that so vehemently support Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic.


I have said ten million times that I do not hold Islam in contempt but you choose not to listen. I hold a radical dangerous form of Islam in contempt and I also think it is dangerous because it spreads in the West mostly through the Wahabi movement funded by Saudi Arabia. Personally, except to the extent it funds and/or supports international radical movements that could impact us in the west I couldn't care less what Islamic nations do internally. And Muslims, particularly in the United States, are mostly good citizens who recognize that they live in a pluralistic society. This is less true in Europe where Muslims are becoming a dangerous growing majority that threatens modern Western sensibilities.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/11/2010 at 02:22 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
They must not be made to feel uncomfortable by having to encounter people practicing other religions or lifestyles.

First of all, what % of Americans are not tolerant of gays, and of those people what % are intolerant of gays because their religion tells them to be? This is not a characteristic unique to the Muslim faith.

Second, Islam is a religion. It teaches things, and people choose how to follow those teachings. What % of those practicing Judaism follow the religion to a tee would you say, Doug? And what makes you think that in Islam that % would be any higher or lower?


I'll tell you this. Judaism does not expect anyone outside of it to conform to its practices or beliefs. American Jews, for example, would never try to pass laws that affect non-Jews in any way such as restrictions on the Sabbath or kosher food or anything else like that. For that matter, Jews do not proselytize and try to convert people at all. While not true generally of the American Muslim community, in other Western country you see a lot of radicalization and efforts to either exempt the Muslim community from the secular law or to impose some forms of Sharia law. Islam is not a religion that is tolerant of others. Quite honestly to the extent it is at all, it's because it has to be, being a minority. Anyplace Islam has become the majority it has imposed restrictions and attempted to affect or regulate the religious and moral practices of non-muslims. These are simply facts that need to be considered when discussing these issues. It is not bigoted to raise them.


You haven't been to Ireland, have you? The Catholic Church has a stronghold that is just now starting to lessen. I believe within the last ten years it became legal to get a divorce.
I'm not equating the Catholic Church with terrorists, I'm just saying you let any religion get enough power it will run the land.
Look at this country, think an avowed atheist will ever be president? Regardless of their qualifications?

[Edited on 8/11/2010 by michaelsio]


Most if not all Western countries are secular even if they have state churches and are pluralistic. I just don't think that today's Christianity can be compared to today's Islam in this way. Perhaps Medieval Christianity. I have no doubt that there are elements withim Islam that would like to modernize it much as Christianity had its own reformation and the West had its enlightenment. But they are intimidated and shouted down and really in fact threatened by the radical elements and this is a problem because we in the West believe in pluralism and tolerance and this element of Islam does not. What is actually being taught in Whabi Mosques? Does anyone have any idea?

 

____________________

 
<<  1    2    3    4  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com