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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 02:54 AM
Show was about three hours long, counting a start at about 20 minutes late and a 40-minute set break.

Set I:
jam>Friend of the Devil>
Dire Wolf
Alabama Getaway>
jam>Blue Sky
Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo>
jam>Doin' That Rag

Set II:
jam>Tennessee Jed
jam>Scarlet Begonias>
Fire on the Mountain>
Lady with a Fan>
Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad>
And We Bid You Goodnight (instrumental)>
Terrapin Station>
China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider
e: Box of Rain

Very fun show. The one strike against it was that Warren was visibly sick (the audience was talking about it, too). He didn't sing any leads aside from the first verse of Blue Sky, and didn't take a lot of solos after the beginning of the show. He was wiping his nose and his forehead a lot. Poor guy. Always a trooper, though. So that made for a more laid-back show in terms of playing and song choices, but Jimmy Herring stepped up. He and Warren did some cool noise call-and-response on the jam after Alabama Getaway. The Blue Sky was a nice treat, and I really like Mississippi Half-Step. Fun, fun song. The second set featured a couple of traditional Grateful Dead pairings (Scarlet>Fire, Goin' Down the Road>Bid You Goodnight, Lady with a Fan>Terrapin, and the last song of each set was Rider and China Cat). I thought I heard a Mountain Jam quote from Warren during Fire on the Mountain.
First and foremost, I was thrilled (on my 8th try) to finally see Phil and Friends do Box of Rain. After not seeing them play for just over two years, I wasn't thinking about it much, but I was feeling pretty optimistic before the encore. And then there it was. It was a thrill, and I'm glad Emily was there with me for it. Meant a lot to both of us, I think.

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I thought I saw Greg Rzab in the lobby before the show. After it ended, I saw the same guy in the tapers section, and it really was Rzab. I said hello and mentioned that I saw him with Gov't Mule just last month.
He was wistful, or maybe a little bitter, and said "That should've been my gig. Matt Abts really wanted me in the band." He added he sat in with Ratdog last week, and was hoping to get a gig with them since they apparently don't have a permanent bassist right now.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 03:08 AM
Allright! I'm glad you got a "Blue Sky" Marley. I'm sure you heard the Mountain Jam. Sorry Warren was sick. There has been a lot of talk at the Phil Zone about both band and crowd getting sick in Denver. Very cool the show went on. Ain't no prima donnas in the Q.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 03:12 AM
Very true.

What I heard in the audience was that everybody except Phil got sick somehow, maybe with the flu. Yuck.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 03:19 AM
You musta just got home man!!! I didn't realize. I just got goose bumps for ya! I'm glad you got a great show.

I'm frantically trying to put together a night or two at the Beacon...

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 04:29 AM
I got home at about 1:15 a.m., I think.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 05:00 AM
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I thought I saw Greg Rzab in the lobby before the show. After it ended, I saw the same guy in the tapers section, and it really was Rzab. I said hello and mentioned that I saw him with Gov't Mule just last month.
He was wistful, or maybe a little bitter, and said "That should've been my gig. Matt Abts really wanted me in the band." He added he sat in with Ratdog last week, and was hoping to get a gig with them since they apparently don't have a permanent bassist right now.


Hmmm - not sure about the Ratdog thing; surely Robin Sylvester is their new permanent bass-player? (saw him with them on their UK tour in Aug, and he was excellent)

Has something happened that we ought to know about??

[Edited on 11/21/2003 by PaulMcFadyen]

 
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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 05:10 AM
I know next to nothing about Ratdog, so I just plain can't say. But I do know that's what Rzab said to me.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 05:23 AM
As far as the illness goes, the Philzone review section is saying that Denver has been hit really hard by the flu. Phil and Friends played three shows in Denver last week, and the band (and some of the crew?) got sick. Someone said Phil had a box of tissues onstage one night. Everybody else looked fine tonight - Rob obviously had no problem singing a lot, and Jimmy was sharp. Sounds like Warren just got the worst of it.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 06:29 AM
Sorry, Marley, if I gave you the wrong impression there.

I certainly didn't mean to cast aspersions on your honesty - maybe Greg had the wrong impression on Robin Sylvester's role in Ratdog, or maybe there really ARE changes afoot in their camp. Who knows?

Greg is a good player, and I'm sure he'd fit nicely into the RD line-up, if it came to it. As for Robin, I was very impressed with his playing when I saw them; I was lucky to get the chance of a chat with him afterwards, and he's a really nice, humble guy - I wish him well.

 
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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 07:27 AM
Sounds like an awesome show you went to.
When I saw Phil with the other ones in '02 they played Box of Rain.
I haven't seen Ratdog since 1998.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 08:11 AM
Thanks for the review Marley. Can't wait to see them on Sunday.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 09:02 AM
Looking forward to the show tonight - although I would have loved to hear that setlist.

About Rzab, Lee talked to him at Kingston Mines after the Mule show in Chicago and got the same impression - that Greg was bitter about not getting the Mule job.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 09:47 AM
Unless "Lady with a Fan" is a P&F original, then they didn't do any new tunes in that show. Marley, I know you had fun and that's most important, and I know it's good to see Warren and Jimmy and obviously Phil is great, but isn't seeing them do a show like that seem like they've relegated themselves to the status of merely a Grateful Dead cover band? They've become "fun" to listen to, but not earth-shattering / mind-blowing / cutting-edge like I think most of us here like in our music.

I'm sure they keep the spirit alive by playing no two songs the same way night after night, and don't get me wrong, those songs are timeless, but please... these guys are way too talented to be in a cover band, and only the 2nd best GD cover band IMO, behind the DEAD, who is a true GD cover band ( maybe tribute band is the correct terminology ) b/c they REALLY don't write any new music....

I guess I'm just a little bitter myself b/c although I miss the GD, I can get over them w/o Jerry. But to keep playing the same old tunes w/o pushing the creativity envelope is contrary to everything that the GD was...

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 10:24 AM
"Lady with a Fan" is on Terrapin Station, so there must not have been any new stuff.
 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 10:26 AM
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b/c they REALLY don't write any new music....


P&F put out an album this year with many (not all) originals on it. At least I think they are originals, here's the track listing with writing credits...



Personally I'm only luke warm about this album so I'm not too dissapointed that they don't seem to be incorporating a lot of it into their live repitoire, but to say they don't write any new music seems a little off base.



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these guys are way too talented to be in a cover band, and only the 2nd best GD cover band IMO, behind the DEAD


I would say that P&F are actually the 3rd best GD cover band - for the benefit of those who haven't seen them live these last 12 months, I would heartily recommend Ratdog as the premier outfit in this class.

For anyone that wants to check them out & is prepared to B&P with the UK, drop me a pm or e-mail & I'll sort you out with some shows from their UK Tour earlier this year - the Manchester gig I attended was absolutely smoking!

 
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Interesting, interesting. I personally have still not had the chance to see PL&F. I'm a HUGE Warren fan (obviously), I'm a huge Jimmy fan. I'm a big Dead fan. And everytime they come to Chicago, they come when I've had a gig. I knew I'd love them based on the reasons I mentioned above. But I had barely had heard much (other than the studio album) until recently when I made some trades for some soundboards. The soundboards blew me away, they played some of the Dead songs so tight and covered great Beatles songs and Warren sang a lot of them. Plus Rob has a great voice. I loved it. So I was looking forward seeing them and I still ended up not being able to go this week, I had a studio session on Wed and tonight and last night I had a rehearsal, so I missed them again. But I guess if Warren is not feeling well, even though it was probably a wonderful show that I'd enjoy, I feel a little bit better about missing it. - After all, my two concerns about their shows are #1) Hearing Phil sing too much & #2) Maybe not having a great set list...

The other thing, I'd like to mention here is about Rzab. I know a lot of people really liked him too and were hoping he'd get the gig. But I've gotta say that although I think he is extremely talented, there was something about him I didn't like, for the Mule. A lot of it was attitude, mostly the "attitude" in his playing. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I have talked to him a few times too and there is just something personality wise that doesn't blend with the rest of the band and it comes out in the music. - I think maybe the fact that he'd even say "that should've been my gig" to someone he doesn't know might help validate my feeling on him.

 

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b/c they REALLY don't write any new music....



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"but to say they don't write any new music seems a little off base."


I was refering to the DEAD when I said they REALLY don't write any new music, not P&F... I know well about that album P&F produced and I think it's disappointing that they don't do more stuff from it. Good or bad, a band should stand by their material, whether produced or played live...




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Interesting. I've heard people say that Ratdog is getting alot better. I only saw them once back in '98 and thought they were very solid, but not great.

I heard Wasserman isn't playing bass for them anymore. Anyone know why?

I'd love to hear some recent tapes.

 

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I've always loved Bobby. And I've always liked RatDog a lot, but wasn't CRAZY about them. I've been hearing just wonderful things about them lately too, from all over the place...
 

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Yeah I agree on the comment from Rzab, kind of strange and a little bitter sounding especially when he said "Matt wanted me in the band". You would have to think Warren and Matt would agree on the permanent bass player. ...And you certainly need the "attitude" not just the chops to play in The Mule. I believe they made the right choice..."IF" Dave Schools couldn't be considered of course...nobody would beat big Dave with The Mule but of course he has a fulltime gig and does a hell of a job I might add.

As far as Rob Wasserman is concerned I heard through various sources that he didn't want to play with Ratdog anymore, that it just didn't suit his style. That being said, Ratdog sounds better than ever with the direction they are going in...much more exploratory and Jazzy. A nice conrast to what Phil and Friends is doing. Similar "Dead" material but coming from a different direction which is cool.

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 02:38 PM
Sounds like a great show, Marley Awesome set list.. Sure hope Warren is feeling better by the time they roll into NYC.. 12/2-3-4.. WOOHOOO!!!

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 03:37 PM
I hope he's feeling better tonight !

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 08:06 PM
There and Back Again (P&F's album) is all original, minus Liberty, which is a song the Dead were doing in their last years, and Patchwork Quilt and The Real Thing, which Warren had been playing for some time.

I thought something was unusual about last night, and that's what it was- all Dead tunes, no Phil and Friends originals. I think Warren's illness had something to do with that, since he sings most of those songs. They did three songs from the album the night before. It's mostly a fluke that there were none last night; they have a large catalogue to choose from. They've always played mostly Dead songs. The band is Phil and Friends. I don't know what else you'd be expecting. Their repertoire has always been mostly Dead tunes with some non-Dead covers, a Warren song or two, and originals by the band.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2003 at 12:38 PM
Here is the setlist from last night:

Set 1:
Jam>
Shakedown Street>
Deal>
Lay Of the Sunflower>
Uncle Johns Band>
No More Do I>
Jam>
Loose Lucy
Set 2:
Mountains of the Moon>
Jam> Keep on Growing>
Unbroken Chain>
Comes a Time
She Said, She Said>
The Other One>
All Along the Watchtower>
Sugaree

Donor Rap/Intros
E: Tom Thumb's Blues


All in all a great show - interesting crowd, lots of people outside looking for tickets.
I'm not a big fan of all the "noodling", and there was a lot of it. When they finally did break into a song, they really tore it up. Highlights for me were Deal, Keep on Growing, Uncle John's Band, Loose Lucy, All Along the Watchtower and a killer version of Sugaree.

Keep on Growing was quite a surprise to me, didn't know they played it. They also threw in the Mule version of She Said. There were also a couple off of Phil & Friends, and I really like No More Do I. The Shakedown Streeet opener was fun.

Warren seemed to still be a little under the weather, coughing in between verses, but he sang quite a bit. Phil sang a few, and it was hard to hear the words - although he sounded alot like Dylan on Tom Thumb's Blues. Jimmy just sounded great all night. Molo was a monster on drums.

I had a cold, so I didn't drink at all, so it was a little different experience non-impaired.
It was a great show (except for all the noodling, of course)!

 

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