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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 10:09 AM
Scratchin the head thinkin bout this one.I've been hearin all this racial profiling stuff etc etc,about asking folks for their visa,green card,immigration papers etc.What is the big deal if someone is pulled over in a traffic violation or detained in breaking the law somehow & asked for their drivers license,proof of insurance,& registration in a traffic violation?Or in another way of breaking the law asked for their idenification.And if they can't or won't produce these documents.And they have a strong forgein accent or flat out can't speak english(no matter what the color of their skin is)then take em into custody & proceed with deportation,charging them with the crime in question etc.
So many are making such a big deal outta this thing.You,myself & many other Americans have to show & prove our idenity time & time again.When we get pulled over on the highway,at the Dr's office,the bank & on the list goes.So what makes it so damm difficult about if a person is involved in breaking the law somehow.Doesn't matter if their mexican,french,german,native american or John Smith from Macon,Ga.And they can't prove who the hell they are & where their from.Seems like thats a no brainer.Yet Obama throws this jive line out there about a family goin to get ice cream,& being detained & harrassed for their papers by the police.I tell ya what!Any of ya'll disagree with me,then from here on out when ya go somewhere in your car etc,LEAVE YOUR ID & WALLET AT HOME.Just stuff some cash in your pocket & go about your merrily way.Then when ya get pulled over by a cop with no license,proof of insurance or registration,PLEASE come back here & post what went down.


yeah,yeah,yeah!I know all about the whipping post forum.Thing is,i didn't wanna post this in the WP.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 10:25 AM
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL FUTURE DEMOCRATIC VOTES ...THAT SIMPLE
 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 10:41 AM
I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 10:44 AM
Geez Luke...I have people in my family that don't speak English and they are citizens. Where should they be deported to?

Not everybody came over on the Mayflower...some of us have only been in the US for a few years. They don't need to speak English because they live within the community of people they immigrated with and the shop and socialize within that community

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 10:59 AM
Immigrants from all nations have always been welcome in the USA. It's the
one's that are ILLEGAL that pose the problem. What's so hard to understand?
This racial profiling is just a bunch of crap from the left. I suggest to all to read the bills, both State (AZ) and Federal and see for yourself.
It is about votes as far as obama is concerned. Regardless of hoe much it costs the states/taxpayers. That in itself is a sad, anti-American position to take. The immigrants I come into contact with on a daily basis are against illegals as much as I am. Thsi nation will not stand with this invasion.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 11:13 AM
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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.


I think a lot were.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 11:26 AM
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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.
Because most believed the govt would do what it promised back then in regard to this act - that both amnesty would be granted AND the border would be secured to stop this problem from re-occurring.

The first part happened. We all know what happened with the second.

Why trust the same govt on the same issue again? We're still waiting, decades later, for the borders to be secured.

 

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As for the Arizona law I think it is a reasonable effort but it came along at the wrong time. I too have read both the Arizona and Federal law and as best I can tell the only difference between the two is the provision that if a person is involved in a criminal activity they can be asked for verification of citizenship. In addition, we have the Justice department saying that they are not going to prosecute any city/state that provides a safe haven for illegals. Yet they are taking a state to court for wanting to uphold the very law that makes safe havens illegal...

But when you have the midterm elections coming, the House, Senate and the President under fire why would you expect this to not turn into a political football. Hence, just another day in American politics.

Luke, two weeks ago my family and I were headed home from a trip to Saint Simons. It was 11:00pm and we were on a 4 lane highway in south Ga. We topped the hill and there were cars lined up in both the east and west bound lanes, police cars everywhere.
When it was our turn to go through the road block, I was asked to show my drivers license and proof of ins. I informed the officer that I did not have my license; I had inadvertently left them at our home in Saint Simmons and I was asked to pull over to the side of the road and a officer came over to my car.

I told the second officer the same thing that I had the first officer. He asked me my name and if I knew what my license number was and I gave him the information he requested. He called it in and in a matter of 10 seconds the dispatcher on the other end of the radio confirms my name, address and that I had no warrants or outstanding traffic violations. I was told that I was free to go and to make sure I find my license and to keep them on me.

I at no time felt that anything unreasonable was being asked of me.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 01:58 PM
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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.


Me neither. Even now the Republicans try to never even bring up the whole amnesty subject when talking about Reagan's legacy because it is indefensible. They are too busy trying to make him sound like some perfect Godly president which he wasn't. I don't think he was bad but not as great as portrayed. IMO his administration and their granting of amnesty to illegals is what has led us to the uncontrollable illegal immigrant problem we have now!!! I am not for amnesty for illegals at all!

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 02:09 PM
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They don't need to speak English because they live within the community of people they immigrated with and the shop and socialize within that community


Do they also use their own services, like schools, prisons and hospitals? Sorry for being a wise ass, but that is also an issue here.

I also donít think it helps them to not learn English. I assume most aliens come here because they want a better life, not because they want to kidnap, commit crimes, etc. They want to work hard and advance their lives. The English language plays an important role in all aspects of society, and therefore learning it would greatly give advantage to the person concerned.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 02:23 PM
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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.
Me neither. Even now the Republicans try to never even bring up the whole amnesty subject when talking about Reagan's legacy because it is indefensible. They are too busy trying to make him sound like some perfect Godly president which he wasn't. I don't think he was bad but not as great as portrayed. IMO his administration and their granting of amnesty to illegals is what has led us to the uncontrollable illegal immigrant problem we have now!!! I am not for amnesty for illegals at all!
Hold on a second. Reagan signed a bill to both grant amnesty and secure the borders (Simpson-Mazzoli Act) on Nov. 6, 1986, with just a little more than two years left in his Presidency.

Securing the borders is not something you just snap your fingers and do. It takes years of management, funding, and follow-up. I'm not trying to make Reagan out any better than he was. But at the same time, let's look at the issue in proper context.

The follow-up for this law mostly falls under the purview of Congress. Who was in charge of Congress for all those years?

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 02:28 PM
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They don't need to speak English because they live within the community of people they immigrated with and the shop and socialize within that community


Do they also use their own services, like schools, prisons and hospitals? Sorry for being a wise ass, but that is also an issue here.

I also donít think it helps them to not learn English. I assume most aliens come here because they want a better life, not because they want to kidnap, commit crimes, etc. They want to work hard and advance their lives. The English language plays an important role in all aspects of society, and therefore learning it would greatly give advantage to the person concerned.



You don't have to learn English if you know Spanish. The free market has enabled that.

 

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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.
Me neither. Even now the Republicans try to never even bring up the whole amnesty subject when talking about Reagan's legacy because it is indefensible. They are too busy trying to make him sound like some perfect Godly president which he wasn't. I don't think he was bad but not as great as portrayed. IMO his administration and their granting of amnesty to illegals is what has led us to the uncontrollable illegal immigrant problem we have now!!! I am not for amnesty for illegals at all!
Hold on a second. Reagan signed a bill to both grant amnesty and secure the borders (Simpson-Mazzoli Act) on Nov. 6, 1986, with just a little more than two years left in his Presidency.

Securing the borders is not something you just snap your fingers and do. It takes years of management, funding, and follow-up. I'm not trying to make Reagan out any better than he was. But at the same time, let's look at the issue in proper context.

The follow-up for this law mostly falls under the purview of Congress. Who was in charge of Congress for all those years?

[Edited on 8/5/2010 by Fujirich]


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It doesn't matter who is in charge of maintaining the law if those laws are being held back from being enforced by political agenda.


 

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And they have a strong forgein accent or flat out can't speak english(no matter what the color of their skin is)then take em into custody & proceed with deportation,charging them with the crime in question etc.



The United States of America does not have an official language. You think it should, write your Congressman.

 

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Or lack of resources. Could've spent all those trillions spent in Iraq, say...here?

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 02:38 PM
Luke is making a apples / oranges comparison.

How many times Luke have have you been asked for your birth certificate during a routine traffic stop?

that is the same as asking an immigrant for his green card.

That is the flaw in the Arizona Law. unequal protection under the law.
The cops in Arizona don't ask non-Hispanics for their birth certificates.

It is a form of racial profiling.




 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 02:54 PM
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I sure don't remember all the conservatives being upset when Reagan granted blanket amnesty for 10,000,000 illegals back in the 80's.


Me neither. Even now the Republicans try to never even bring up the whole amnesty subject when talking about Reagan's legacy because it is indefensible. They are too busy trying to make him sound like some perfect Godly president which he wasn't. I don't think he was bad but not as great as portrayed. IMO his administration and their granting of amnesty to illegals is what has led us to the uncontrollable illegal immigrant problem we have now!!! I am not for amnesty for illegals at all!

[Edited on 8/5/2010 by sixty8]


Conservative true believers had plenty of problems with Reagan at the time. True believers always do because they don't operate in the real world.

 

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They don't need to speak English because they live within the community of people they immigrated with and the shop and socialize within that community


Do they also use their own services, like schools, prisons and hospitals? Sorry for being a wise ass, but that is also an issue here.

I also donít think it helps them to not learn English. I assume most aliens come here because they want a better life, not because they want to kidnap, commit crimes, etc. They want to work hard and advance their lives. The English language plays an important role in all aspects of society, and therefore learning it would greatly give advantage to the person concerned.



I think a working ability to converse in English should be a requirement of American citizenship. There is no greater barrier to assimilation than the failure to speak a common language. My grandparents came here speaking not a word of English. The learned to speak it fluently in a short time. Until the day they died they had thick accents but they spoke and read the language fluently.

 

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And they have a strong forgein accent or flat out can't speak english(no matter what the color of their skin is)then take em into custody & proceed with deportation,charging them with the crime in question etc.



The United States of America does not have an official language. You think it should, write your Congressman.


I think it should. So do a lot of other people. And we should not be dismissed as xenophobes. There are sound sociological reasons for supporting a common and official language.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 03:03 PM
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Luke is making a apples / oranges comparison.

How many times Luke have have you been asked for your birth certificate during a routine traffic stop?

that is the same as asking an immigrant for his green card.

That is the flaw in the Arizona Law. unequal protection under the law.
The cops in Arizona don't ask non-Hispanics for their birth certificates.

It is a form of racial profiling.


"Racial Profiling"...Of course it is...The PROBLEM is with Mexico and other Latin nations... if you can't profile, how do you propose we fix this?......They stream over the border ILLEGALLY...But we can't ask for proof of Citizenship?...The perfect catch 22...

Feels like they are "protected"...from being singled out for breaking the Law..

Political correctness be damned.

 

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Luke is making a apples / oranges comparison.

How many times Luke have have you been asked for your birth certificate during a routine traffic stop?

that is the same as asking an immigrant for his green card.

That is the flaw in the Arizona Law. unequal protection under the law.
The cops in Arizona don't ask non-Hispanics for their birth certificates.

It is a form of racial profiling.






"Racial Profiling"...Of course it is...The PROBLEM is with Mexico and other Latin nations... if you can't profile, how do you propose we fix this?......They stream over the border ILLEGALLY...But we can't ask for proof of Citizenship?...The perfect catch 22...

Feels like they are "protected"...from being singled out for breaking the Law..

Political correctness be damned.


It is not a matter of political correctness, It is a matter of the constitution.

the "They" being protected are the legal immigrants and Hispanics.



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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 03:06 PM
If you come from any latin country or european country you don't need to speak english to get around. So the elderly that come first don't usually learn english except hello goodbye....and Money...Money speaks. They have people in their family do the talking for them then translate. Kids talk to the doctors, lawyers, bankers...etc

My wife is from Portugal. Her parents speak some english but when it come to really describing complex ideas in detail they speak to my wife in Portugese and she translate to english for who ever they need to communicate with. The same thing we did for my grandparents and elderly uncles and aunts from Italy

Learning a Bus sytem just takes learning numbers and spelling of street names. You don't need to know how to pronouce the name of a street if you know how to spell it. Since they use the same type of letters we use in english its not that hard.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 03:11 PM
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Or lack of resources. Could've spent all those trillions spent in Iraq, say...here?


If not, maybe even some of the stimulus money would have been appropriate; would have produced jobs both long and short term as well as address the border issue.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2010 at 03:16 PM
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It is a form of racial profiling.


You continue to dismiss the "lawful contact" part of the law. A law has already been broken.

 
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