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  posted on 8/2/2010 at 10:00 PM


[Edited on 1/6/2012 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 12:09 AM
Most musicians don't understand politics. Does Oteil want to further gut the EPA, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, our National Parks and Wildlife sanctuaries? Ron Paul does but dosen't talk about it. You can't just go by spmeone's speeches. I guess Oteil didn't learn that from Obama.
 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 05:32 AM
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Ron Paul does but dosen't talk about it.

Please site your sources on this one?

Ron Paul seems to stick by what he believes in and does not talk out of both sides of his mouth like most politicians. RP is clearly not in the club. If we want to save our Republic, we must figure out a way to get this man elected. To beat the bankers, the media, and the machine would truly be a revolution. They will do everything in their power to prevent that from happening. To compare Ron Paul to Obama is laughable. It would be like trying to compare the Allman Brothers to the Jonas Brothers.

Now this is change I can believe in.
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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 07:56 AM
My source is Ron Paul who, when asked, in an NPR interview, said he would sell off all national parks and beaches to private interests and reduce govt interference in private industry and "development". He is against all govt. interference with business. For a rich man like Oteil to complain about taxes, which have already been greatly slashed in his tax bracket, shows just how selfish he is.
The simpleminded Libertarians, who want no govt, should make an attempt to think about what the dismantling of govt regulations has done to this country, such as destroying the Gulf and causing millions to lose their homes.

[Edited on 8/3/2010 by lespaul58]

 

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My source is Ron Paul who, when asked, in an NPR interview, said he would sell off all national parks and beaches to private interests and reduce govt interference in private industry and "development". He is against all govt. interference with business. For a rich man like Oteil to complain about taxes, which have already been greatly slashed in his tax bracket, shows just how selfish he is.
The simpleminded Libertarians, who want no govt, should make an attempt to think about what the dismantling of govt regulations has done to this country, such as destroying the Gulf and causing millions to lose their homes.

[Edited on 8/3/2010 by lespaul58]


Come on, man, Oteil didn't say he wanted no government. It seemed to me that he said (two or three times) that he'd prefer the gov't to stay out of a few main areas like abortion, gay marriage, pot, and prostitution.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 09:19 AM
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My source is Ron Paul who, when asked, in an NPR interview, said he would sell off all national parks and beaches to private interests and reduce govt interference in private industry and "development". He is against all govt. interference with business. For a rich man like Oteil to complain about taxes, which have already been greatly slashed in his tax bracket, shows just how selfish he is.
The simpleminded Libertarians, who want no govt, should make an attempt to think about what the dismantling of govt regulations has done to this country, such as destroying the Gulf and causing millions to lose their homes.

[Edited on 8/3/2010 by les paul 58]


Come on, man, Oteil didn't say he wanted no government. It seemed to me that he said (two or three times) that he'd prefer the gov't to stay out of a few main areas like abortion, gay marriage, pot, and prostitution.


But by supporting Ron Paul he is endorsing the elimination of the good things govt does, or is supposed to do. He also complained about taxes. People ate out of work and need govt assistance to survive. The money has to come from people who are well off. Ron Paul is not the answer. We need GOOD govt. not NO govt.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 10:26 AM
Oteil might want to do a little checking on Ron Paul's stance on abortion. Not that I gave a crap what Oteil thinks about much of anything and I am sure he would feel the same about my opinions.
 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 01:44 PM
Oteil's post made my head spin. He's pretty all over the place.

Libertarians don't stand for "no govt." Hardly. To not be willing to debate the principals of limited Federal government by simply branding people like Libertarians as lunatics who don't want any government (which isn't their position) gets us into 1++ trillion dollar deficits.

I'm very libertarian leaning at the Federal level, because that's what the charter is supposed to be. I'm much less so at the State and local level. I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, but I'm glad there is someone who has a principaled limited Federal governement position in Congress.

As for abortion, Paul's position is like many others he holds - it's not a Federal issue. He is for states banning the practice though.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 02:14 PM
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My source is Ron Paul who, when asked, in an NPR interview, said he would sell off all national parks and beaches to private interests and reduce govt interference in private industry and "development". He is against all govt. interference with business. For a rich man like Oteil to complain about taxes, which have already been greatly slashed in his tax bracket, shows just how selfish he is.
The simpleminded Libertarians, who want no govt, should make an attempt to think about what the dismantling of govt regulations has done to this country, such as destroying the Gulf and causing millions to lose their homes.
Putting aside all the gross inaccuracies here, the real irony is that your most cherished item - the national parks - will probably suffer worse going forward under their current Federal management.

If you think the status quo we've known all our lives regarding the stability and capability of the Federal govt is going to continue, I'd suggest otherwise. All the insane debt, all the non-Constitutional activities, all the unfunded obligations, all the business-toxic and wealth-toxic conditions being established - the continuation of all of these - is simply not sustainable. Reality will eventually cave-in upon the system. When the next fiscal crisis occurs, which will be a currency crisis for which there will be no bailout, non-essential things like national parks will be the first to be cut from their traditional Federal moorings.

We're already borrowing about $.45 cents for every dollar the Feds spend. When we can't sell our debt any longer at reasonable rates, and can no longer deficit spend, how long before every activity regarding national parks is no longer funded? I give it about 5 minutes, since there isn't a single thing that could be classified "essential" about them. You might want to re-think your position. We might be far better off trusting Disney with Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon than our own govt.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 02:37 PM
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We might be far better off trusting Disney with Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon than our own govt.
Obviously this is not true, and anyway, it would be the BPs of the world, not Disney, who would have interest in owning a national park.
Maybe so, but I'd think someone like a Disney would be interested in properties like those I mentioned, while the BP's of the world would be far more interested in some of the vast undeveloped land tracts the Federal govt keeps holding on to. Maybe the Feds should start to consider selling some of that land. Heck, in Alaska alone they withhold about 70% of the total.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 02:48 PM
There's thousands of golf courses all over the country where the land could be put to better use...

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 03:01 PM
Selling off federal land is totally contrary to what Theodore Roosevelt had in mind when he originally expanded the National park system. It's a horrifc idea. May I recommend the HBO documentary called Gasland if you want to know why this is a hideous idea. These big oil companies will decimate the environment water and air and just walk away after they reap their huge profits on land obtained for pennies on the dollar from the federal government. At least that's what happened when Cheney ran the show. .

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 03:20 PM
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There's thousands of golf courses all over the country where the land could be put to better use...
Are any of them staying open via foreign borrowing and deficit spending?

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 03:21 PM
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Are any of them staying open via foreign borrowing and deficit spending?



Have no idea. I was speaking in environmental terms.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2010 at 03:26 PM
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Selling off federal land is totally contrary to what Theodore Roosevelt had in mind when he originally expanded the National park system. It's a horrifc idea. May I recommend the HBO documentary called Gasland if you want to know why this is a hideous idea. These big oil companies will decimate the environment water and air and just walk away after they reap their huge profits on land obtained for pennies on the dollar from the federal government. At least that's what happened when Cheney ran the show. .
I've seen that documentary you're referring to. Terrible stuff happening to those folks. That whole fracturing technique is just nuts.

I did hear recently that the EPA has taken some action to either stop some of this activity, or limit it while further research is being conducted.

Its one thing to drill and find reserves that can be tapped in a normal sense. Its a whole other things to pump thousands of gallons of toxic chemicals into the ground, pressurize it to open otherwise impossible-to-retrieve natural gas, and then call that safe. This technique has to be stopped.

PS - I'm sure that Teddy never thought his country would willfully bankrupt itself either. My how times change.

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  posted on 8/4/2010 at 10:46 AM
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There's thousands of golf courses all over the country where the land could be put to better use...


I believe it was Al Chervic, aka Rodney Dangerfield, in CaddyShack (perhaps Caddyshack II) who said, “golf courses and cemeteries, the two biggest wastes of real estate!”

 

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  posted on 8/4/2010 at 01:57 PM
Tea Party folks are some of the finest people on this planet.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2010 at 02:49 PM
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My source is Ron Paul who, when asked, in an NPR interview, said he would sell off all national parks and beaches to private interests and reduce govt interference in private industry and "development". He is against all govt. interference with business. For a rich man like Oteil to complain about taxes, which have already been greatly slashed in his tax bracket, shows just how selfish he is.
The simpleminded Libertarians, who want no govt, should make an attempt to think about what the dismantling of govt regulations has done to this country, such as destroying the Gulf and causing millions to lose their homes.

[Edited on 8/3/2010 by lespaul58]


I just want to point out 2 comments you made:

#1) "most musicians don't understand politics". That is a very vague and stereotypical thing to say. If you have the talent to play music, you are not able to understand the way politics work?

#2) "A rich man like Oteil". What do you consider "rich" and how do you know how much Oteil is worth?

 

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They are also among the dumbest. Shouting for the govt to stay out of their lives as they receive Social Security and Medicare is a good example of their reasoning ability. They don't know anything other than what they are spoon-fed by Fox News.

 

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Shouting for the govt to stay out of their lives as they receive Social Security and Medicare


Yeah, God forbid you get a service you actually pay for out of your paycheck.

 

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Yeah, God forbid you get a service you actually pay for out of your paycheck.


Right, like not for profit, tax supported, universal health care that every other developed nation has. Or, 'Socialism', as the tea party calls it. God forbid we spend tax money on the American people when we could be killing millions of foreigners with it.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2010 at 03:32 PM
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#2) "A rich man like Oteil". What do you consider "rich" and how do you know how much Oteil is worth?
I bet Oteil would beg to differ. He may be rich in happiness, but we could ALL use a little extra cabbage!

 

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  posted on 8/4/2010 at 03:39 PM
I remember listening to Ron Paul speak years ago at some Gold Bugs convention at Kitco. He had the crowd all wound up with his talk of a global conspiracy and how the market will collapse followed by hyper-inflation and that the only thing left of value would be gold.

He got a standing ovation when he told everyone to buy gold and bury it in their back yards. That was some 10 years ago, He was right about the conspiracy, the market collapse, and the price of Gold has risen four-fold.

The inflation, anarchy, and demise of the dollar hasn't occurred yet. You can say a lot of things about Gold Bugs and their conspiracy theories, but you have to admit that some of their far-fetched ideas have come to pass.

 

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I bet Oteil would beg to differ. He may be rich in happiness, but we could ALL use a little extra cabbage!


Exactly!

 

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I remember listening to Ron Paul speak years ago at some Gold Bugs convention at Kitco. He had the crowd all wound up with his talk of a global conspiracy and how the market will collapse followed by hyper-inflation and that the only thing left of value would be gold.

He got a standing ovation when he told everyone to buy gold and bury it in their back yards. That was some 10 years ago, He was right about the conspiracy, the market collapse, and the price of Gold has risen four-fold.

The inflation, anarchy, and demise of the dollar hasn't occurred yet. You can say a lot of things about Gold Bugs and their conspiracy theories, but you have to admit that some of their far-fetched ideas have come to pass.


What did he say about conspiracy, and how has he been proven right?

 
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