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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 07:25 AM
I think it's been mentioned here before, but I would be all for a membership fee to participate on this wonderful website. I'd personally be willing to pay $20.00 - $50.00 for a one-time start up fee.

I know a lot of folks don't like the idea, but I think that it would minimize the amount of "static interference" that we get from certain participants who can't seem to get past the diapers stage of life.

If this start-up fee was changed for each time a user name was changed or added, I think a lot of the monsters would vanish.

Just my $.02 for the day.

 

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I've said that before also.

However, a moderator would help as well ...

 

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I think it's been mentioned here before, but I would be all for a membership fee to participate on this wonderful website. I'd personally be willing to pay $20.00 - $50.00 for a one-time start up fee.

I know a lot of folks don't like the idea, but I think that it would minimize the amount of "static interference" that we get from certain participants who can't seem to get past the diapers stage of life.

If this start-up fee was changed for each time a user name was changed or added, I think a lot of the monsters would vanish.

Just my $.02 for the day.



I agree 100%....

 

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I don't understand why the e-mail address of the constant offenders can't be blocked. Why can't "banned" mean banned?

I can't place blame for the misconduct of these folks who apparently forget to take their Ritalin on occasion on the administrator. It just seems that it's the same one or two that are hell-bent on spoiling this wonderful site for everybody else.

If these folks (or "folk" - with multiple personalities) had to ante up $20 - $50 each time they got ejected - maybe they'd find someplace else to play.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by Rusty]

 

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There's a few things other forums do to keep trolling down.

Delayed registrations to prevent shotgun screenname creation is one. If a new member registers, they are not allowed to post until the registration is approved. That prevents mulitple creations and immediate trolling. Click on Member List and sort by Registration date, then go to the last page and work backwards. The amount of registrations per day with no posts will blow your mind. Hell, one day has about 8 registrations in a row and the location is all listed as "Singapore City." Singapore City?

 

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I definitely think a lot of people here are under the misconception that ongoing troll issues here are unique to HTW. I also think a lot of folks have allowed Rowland to convince them over the years that the problem cannot be easily solved. Neither of these notions could be further from reality.

Here's the problem:



When the guy that takes care of the place can't manage to swing by but once every 2 weeks (last hiatus was for over a month), what do you expect?

Yeah OK, I know he's busy -- who isn't? This is besides the point.

The obvious solution -- the solution that has been proven effective millions of times over -- is to appoint forum moderators. Hophead doesn't count because he's never here either, and I definitely don't think it should be anyone that is considered popular because the job requires you to be the bad guy sometimes.

People have been saying this for years, why it's not even been TRIED yet is beyond me.


Derek...Please......I'm a friend of Rowland and he has come here many times and has said simply that we should be able to conduct ourselves as adults. Rowland and Lana started this place as a hobby for a band they loved....not to be website moderators. With the good comes the bad.. As in everything in life. Rowland runs a company and has huge responsibilities that shouldn't include baby sitting us. Because that is what you are expecting of him. A moderator would need to spend many many hours policing and that would probably need to be a payed position. Should Rowland hire someone because there are those who can't maintain a civil perspective on a band website. I can tell you this....If I was Rowland....and I had to live up to your expectations of him...I'd simply shut the site down and go live my life without having to babysit people who are suppose to be adults

 

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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 10:38 AM
I think your idea is the only one with a chance of working, Rusty. Even $5 would end the troll problem.

 

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I definitely think a lot of people here are under the misconception that ongoing troll issues here are unique to HTW. I also think a lot of folks have allowed Rowland to convince them over the years that the problem cannot be easily solved. Neither of these notions could be further from reality.

Here's the problem:



When the guy that takes care of the place can't manage to swing by but once every 2 weeks (last hiatus was for over a month), what do you expect?

Yeah OK, I know he's busy -- who isn't? This is besides the point.

The obvious solution -- the solution that has been proven effective millions of times over -- is to appoint forum moderators. Hophead doesn't count because he's never here either, and I definitely don't think it should be anyone that is considered popular because the job requires you to be the bad guy sometimes.

People have been saying this for years, why it's not even been TRIED yet is beyond me.


Derek...Please......I'm a friend of Rowland and he has come here many times and has said simply that we should be able to conduct ourselves as adults. Rowland and Lana started this place as a hobby for a band they loved....not to be website moderators. With the good comes the bad.. As in everything in life. Rowland runs a company and has huge responsibilities that shouldn't include baby sitting us. Because that is what you are expecting of him. A moderator would need to spend many many hours policing and that would probably need to be a payed position. Should Rowland hire someone because there are those who can't maintain a civil perspective on a band website. I can tell you this....If I was Rowland....and I had to live up to your expectations of him...I'd simply shut the site down and go live my life without having to babysit people who are suppose to be adults

Let's be clear, I expect nothing of Rowland. He has always neglected care of the forums, it's just how it is. Is that a bad thing? I guess that depends on whether the trolls bother you or not. They clearly bother a LOT of people. Rusty obviously sees a problem else he wouldn't have started this thread -- hell he and Bluedad are willing to PAY MONEY to make the problem go away. And they didn't even ask where the money was goin'.

If Rowland wanted to take better care of the place, I'm sure he would. He's certainly capable of doing so, it's just that he has better things to do like you said. I get that -- no argument here.

Don't make me the bad guy --- I'm just relating cause and effect. If people want a better experience here, I'm only telling people (from vast experience) how it has to happen.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by WannabeDerek]


Shouldn't we be responsible for our own behavior?...Should Rowland be responsible for our behavior?

See what you don't understand is Rowland thinks we should take care of ourselves...We should be respectful to each other and the rest will fall into place. It's really that simple. Yet we can't do that one simple task...nope we need a principal to scold the bad kids in the play yard....I think you take this place way to serious....It's a band website....no one dies....we don't cure cancer here...we talk about music....So do we actually need a moderator to hang out on a band website and manage the children or should we all agree to manage ourselves as adults

 

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Derek...Please......I'm a friend of Rowland and he has come here many times and has said simply that we should be able to conduct ourselves as adults. Rowland and Lana started this place as a hobby for a band they loved....not to be website moderators. With the good comes the bad.. As in everything in life. Rowland runs a company and has huge responsibilities that shouldn't include baby sitting us. Because that is what you are expecting of him. A moderator would need to spend many many hours policing and that would probably need to be a payed position. Should Rowland hire someone because there are those who can't maintain a civil perspective on a band website. I can tell you this....If I was Rowland....and I had to live up to your expectations of him...I'd simply shut the site down and go live my life without having to babysit people who are suppose to be adults
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Let's be clear, I expect nothing of Rowland. He has always neglected care of the forums, it's just how it is. Is that a bad thing? I guess that depends on whether the trolls bother you or not. They clearly bother a LOT of people. Rusty obviously sees a problem else he wouldn't have started this thread -- hell he and Bluedad are willing to PAY MONEY to make the problem go away. And they didn't even ask where the money was goin'.

If Rowland wanted to take better care of the place, I'm sure he would. He's certainly capable of doing so, it's just that he has better things to do like you said. I get that -- no argument here.

Don't make me the bad guy --- I'm just relating cause and effect. If people want a better experience here, I'm only telling people (from vast experience) how it has to happen.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by WannabeDerek]
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Shouldn't we be responsible for our own behavior?...Should Rowland be responsible for our behavior?

See what you don't understand is Rowland thinks we should take care of ourselves...We should be respectful to each other and the rest will fall into place. It's really that simple. Yet we can't do that one simple task...nope we need a principal to scold the bad kids in the play yard....I think you take this place way to serious....It's a band website....no one dies....we don't cure cancer here...we talk about music....So do we actually need a moderator to hang out on a band website and manage the children or should we all agree to manage ourselves as adults

x 2...I agree..people need to ignore...Lana and Rowland do this because they love theband and for the most part, the community here...it is p to us to not feed the trolls..

attention whores need attention....when they don't get it, they go elsewhere

 

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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 11:17 AM
we are not ignoring reality...we are proposing a different solution..
and he is our friend...

these solutons are our respective opinions...the reality is that we have trolls..

I think we agree on that

 

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Derek...Please......I'm a friend of Rowland and he has come here many times and has said simply that we should be able to conduct ourselves as adults. Rowland and Lana started this place as a hobby for a band they loved....not to be website moderators. With the good comes the bad.. As in everything in life. Rowland runs a company and has huge responsibilities that shouldn't include baby sitting us. Because that is what you are expecting of him. A moderator would need to spend many many hours policing and that would probably need to be a payed position. Should Rowland hire someone because there are those who can't maintain a civil perspective on a band website. I can tell you this....If I was Rowland....and I had to live up to your expectations of him...I'd simply shut the site down and go live my life without having to babysit people who are suppose to be adults
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Let's be clear, I expect nothing of Rowland. He has always neglected care of the forums, it's just how it is. Is that a bad thing? I guess that depends on whether the trolls bother you or not. They clearly bother a LOT of people. Rusty obviously sees a problem else he wouldn't have started this thread -- hell he and Bluedad are willing to PAY MONEY to make the problem go away. And they didn't even ask where the money was goin'.

If Rowland wanted to take better care of the place, I'm sure he would. He's certainly capable of doing so, it's just that he has better things to do like you said. I get that -- no argument here.

Don't make me the bad guy --- I'm just relating cause and effect. If people want a better experience here, I'm only telling people (from vast experience) how it has to happen.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by WannabeDerek]
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Shouldn't we be responsible for our own behavior?...Should Rowland be responsible for our behavior?

See what you don't understand is Rowland thinks we should take care of ourselves...We should be respectful to each other and the rest will fall into place. It's really that simple. Yet we can't do that one simple task...nope we need a principal to scold the bad kids in the play yard....I think you take this place way to serious....It's a band website....no one dies....we don't cure cancer here...we talk about music....So do we actually need a moderator to hang out on a band website and manage the children or should we all agree to manage ourselves as adults

x 2...I agree..people need to ignore...Lana and Rowland do this because they love theband and for the most part, the community here...it is p to us to not feed the trolls..

attention whores need attention....when they don't get it, they go elsewhere

That's been suggested 1000X times in the past. How many times have you two suggested that specifically? Probably at least ten between you both...

Anything so long as it's not Rowland's fault and he doesn't have to lift a finger to do anything, including the 30 seconds it would take for him to appoint 5 new moderators to take care of the place.

People are willing to pay money at this point (and require the same of everyone else). Does that not bother either of you? Should that not bother Rowland? Oh wait, he'll never see this thread...

Nobody needs to come back at me and tell me how I don't understand. I get that you guys are sticking up for your friend, I'm just here to point out that you're ignoring reality of the situation in the process.

P.S. Personally, I could care less about the trolls or whether Rowland ever visits here again or not. I stopped caring when I realized he didn't, and that was over a year ago.


Rowland cares very much....but he's not gonna babysit....to assume he doesn't without ever having a conversation with him is very closed minded. It bothers him that people act as they do but he can't change those people and don't think he hasn't tried but to keep it a true "Open" forum as both he and Lana want we need to accept that some will not be respectful

I don't want to fight with you Derek I think we have a lot in common and I understand how you feel....I've had my moments of bad behavior and I try to limit them because all in all this place is just entertainment...

 

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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 11:27 AM
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we are not ignoring reality...we are proposing a different solution..
and he is our friend...

these solutons are our respective opinions...the reality is that we have trolls..

I think we agree on that




Get up, quit sneakin' around and dancing in the heat, you ain't foolin' me no more. If I had my way, don't change a thing, everything will be alright, in this lonely town.


 

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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 11:50 AM
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we are not ignoring reality...we are proposing a different solution..
and he is our friend...

these solutons are our respective opinions...the reality is that we have trolls..

I think we agree on that
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Get up, quit sneakin' around and dancing in the heat, you ain't foolin' me no more. If I had my way, don't change a thing, everything will be alright, in this lonely town.


right on !!!!!!!!!!!


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This thread isn't about how great of a guy Rowland is, or how he chooses to spend his personal time, or how Lefty met his hot girlfriend.

LMFAO...Geeze WBD, ya made me spit my DietCoke out

 

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  posted on 7/28/2010 at 11:51 AM
I think the problems really are minimal...we have Deano who has 300+ logins and then we have a few folks that like to banter back & forth....but for the most part I like 99% of the people here the other 1% I really don't know enough to have any real true feelings about.....even Deano....I don't hate the guy...I actually feel sorry for him but I do like to egg him on because he's so predictable

I have meet a handful of people here because of the HTW family band thing and lanaroo...I've had lots of great music handed to me through people here i've never even shaken hands with. I've read lot's of great threads and I've read some not so great threads and I've passed on many that riled me up and I've acted badly in some that have

Rowland has put in more than his share of time and commitment to this place but he's made it clear....police ourselves

 

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This thread isn't about how great of a guy Rowland is, or how he chooses to spend his personal time, or how Lefty met his hot girlfriend.
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LMFAO...Geeze WBD, ya made me spit my DietCoke out
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High five bro.



back at ya...

she IS freakin hot..

 

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Rowland devised the Karma system and all he got was pissing and moaning because people started abusing it with multiple screen names. When he came back on and said, OK, no more viewing of the Karma ranking, the bitching stopped. But I do seem to recall him saying something to the effect that we're all supposed to be adults and act accordingly.

 

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Rowland devised the Karma system and all he got was pissing and moaning because people started abusing it with multiple screen names. When he came back on and said, OK, no more viewing of the Karma ranking, the bitching stopped. But I do seem to recall him saying something to the effect that we're all supposed to be adults and act accordingly.


here's what Rowland wrote:


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The real intention here is to let the community moderate the forum and let the community decide what they want to read. Most people are here to have fun and exchange ideas. I don't expect everything to be sunshine and roses. But frankly there are a handful of people who are here to bash each other and then complain to me -- and it's no win either way, and as a group of people they just bore me. But I feel responsibility to give you some tools to deal with it, and that's what this is about. As far as I'm concerned, everyone here could have a zero karma and that's just fine - it's not a popularity contest. It's intended to give you a tool so you can decide what to read, and the community can tag the posts and posters that seem to be here primarily to bash each other.

So, the karma number will not be displayed. Only the ability to vote on a post. If you don't use the filter system, nothing is different than before.


 

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and he is our friend...

these solutons are our respective opinions...the reality is that we have trolls..

I think we agree on that

You are ignoring reality if you think that every single person here is just going to fall into line just because you ask them to...


 

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sixstring should be shot.

 

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Well, I used to moderate chat channels on a very busy gaming server many moons ago and while the environment is different the concept is the same. Delayed registration is a good idea as is having community moderators. They would have to be people from within the community that would be willing to essentially work for free and be able to be the bad guy when necessary. There are a couple of people here that I think are more than fair in their approach to situations and individuals. Right now, with no moderation you get the thread shiatters like 6string, dean, rbk etc. who have no concept or caring of what this particular 'room' or forum is for on this site. The things discussed here in the WP dont fit, and are not expected to be, in other forums here. This is an off topic area. Of course, these idiots care less about general issues than those of us that have been here a while. It would take about 15 minutes in research to determine where the trolls are coming from and if its the same person and even less time to do something more permanent about it....like playpenning them. Heck, if it was me, I would determine the range of IP addresses and start a pre-emptive, global playpen action. The only people you would truly affect would be the trolls. You would literally force them into either getting a new ISP or inconvenience them to the point it wouldnt be worth it.

The other solutions would be to implement user killfiles for individual names and Im sure it can be done here where you simply type in the name you no longer want to see posts from and viola. Everyone can still act like adults and you can get rid of the obnoxious crap from whoever you may not want to see posts from.

And I dont see paying as a solution because with people as sick as these trolling idiots are, they would gladly pay for the ability to come here and piss everywhere.

But ultimately, if nobody replied to them, they would die of starvation...

 

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But ultimately, if nobody replied to them, they would die of starvation...


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I definitely think a lot of people here are under the misconception that ongoing troll issues here are unique to HTW. I also think a lot of folks have allowed Rowland to convince them over the years that the problem cannot be easily solved. Neither of these notions could be further from reality.

Here's the problem:



When the guy that takes care of the place can't manage to swing by but once every 2 weeks (last hiatus was for over a month), what do you expect?

Yeah OK, I know he's busy -- who isn't? This is besides the point.

The obvious solution -- the solution that has been proven effective millions of times over -- is to appoint forum moderators. Hophead doesn't count because he's never here either, and I definitely don't think it should be anyone that is considered popular because the job requires you to be the bad guy sometimes.

People have been saying this for years, why it's not even been TRIED yet is beyond me.


Derek...Please......I'm a friend of Rowland and he has come here many times and has said simply that we should be able to conduct ourselves as adults. Rowland and Lana started this place as a hobby for a band they loved....not to be website moderators. With the good comes the bad.. As in everything in life. Rowland runs a company and has huge responsibilities that shouldn't include baby sitting us. Because that is what you are expecting of him. A moderator would need to spend many many hours policing and that would probably need to be a payed position. Should Rowland hire someone because there are those who can't maintain a civil perspective on a band website. I can tell you this....If I was Rowland....and I had to live up to your expectations of him...I'd simply shut the site down and go live my life without having to babysit people who are suppose to be adults

Let's be clear, I expect nothing of Rowland. He has always neglected care of the forums, it's just how it is. Is that a bad thing? I guess that depends on whether the trolls bother you or not. They clearly bother a LOT of people. Rusty obviously sees a problem else he wouldn't have started this thread -- hell he and Bluedad are willing to PAY MONEY to make the problem go away. And they didn't even ask where the money was goin'.

If Rowland wanted to take better care of the place, I'm sure he would. He's certainly capable of doing so, it's just that he has better things to do like you said. I get that -- no argument here.

Don't make me the bad guy --- I'm just relating cause and effect. If people want a better experience here, I'm only telling people (from vast experience) how it has to happen.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by WannabeDerek]


I agree. Plus I'm not sure why anybody cares what the trolls say. Even when they're so disturbingly rude and hit a chord with something close to home, I just can't take it personally. It's hard for me to care about what someone who isn't talking to me face-to-face says. And furthermore, when someone is being cruel just be cruel or has no clue what they're talking about, I just don't care enough what they say.

I know sometimes that is easier said than done for some people, especially people who are on here a whole lot more than I am. But, you know, most of these people must have pretty boring lives to do nothing else but post a bunch of crap constantly and not even be able to get a friendship out of it...

 

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The simple solution is for there to be an ignore this user button. I've seen them on other forums, and you never see trolls on those forums. One click and you never see posts from that user again. It would also be nice if by ignoring a persons post you can also ignore bumps from that person.
 

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I don't understand why the e-mail address of the constant offenders can't be blocked. Why can't "banned" mean banned?

I can't place blame for the misconduct of these folks who apparently forget to take their Ritalin on occasion on the administrator. It just seems that it's the same one or two that are hell-bent on spoiling this wonderful site for everybody else.

If these folks (or "folk" - with multiple personalities) had to ante up $20 - $50 each time they got ejected - maybe they'd find someplace else to play.

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by Rusty]


Well since people can use dial up to have multiple i.p. addresses, one thing that should be asked for is the person's phone number. Will people go and get a bunch of prepaid phones just to have a new phone number to post under another name? Well some of them will, but it would be an extra thing that they'd have to do, and they'd have to maintain it if random quality assurance checks were done to verify those phones were still intact. If someone changes their phone number more than 3X in 6 months you know something isn't right. That 3X number is being generous.

 

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"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
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