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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 02:51 AM
Naked.

Has anyone bought or heard this yet? Comments? I'm putting my Best Buy wish list together and I suspect this will end up in the cart, but just wondered what the fine folks here had to say about it.

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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 03:26 AM
The release of this CD is really screwing me up - I absolutely DETEST the reasons given for releasing it, for one.

Whilst Paul McCartney will tell you it's the album they meant to put out, as most Beatlefreaks will know, the band took three attempts at getting it right. Phil Spector's final version got the nod, including the orchestral and percussion overdubs (done by Ringo), which so offend Sir Paul; before that, however, The Beatles did undertake sporadic work on the tracks, including backing vocals, lead guitar and orchestra on the song Let It Be, which George Martin mixed for release in advance of the album (Spector's version of the title track merely uses a different mix).

As the movie was being completed, rough run-throughs of Across The Universe and I Me Mine were included in the film, which meant that these songs had to appear on the album - I Me Mine was, therefore, especially recorded by the band in Jan 1970. Across The Universe, which was originally recorded in Feb 1968, was dug out of the vault and given a lush orchestral score by Spector (which John Lennon professed to love).

Given the haphazard chronology of the tracks, and the fact that, prior to Spector's work on the record, The Beatles had already broken the "no overdubs" rule, I find it impossible to consider that there ever was a "definitive" version of the sessions.

Also, we know that Macca always uses the argument that he never approved the version of Long & Winding Road, and yet the unadorned version was released on Anthology 3, of course! Why feel the need to release another "undubbed" version of this song (not one of his best either, IMHO)

I do feel that this is flagrant revisionism, instigated by McCartney (regardless of how he might be justifying it in interviews); I only dread what the songwriting credits are going to look like - more "McCartney-Lennon", eh??

AND YET...

All those who have heard this have stated how good it sounds - clearly the modern mix has worked wonders on the sonic quality of these tracks, which are supposed to burst out of the speakers. The rock numbers in particular, apparently, have never sounded better.

No doubt my eagerness to hear this will overcome my moral objections! Message to Macca, though - don't do this again!!!


 
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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 05:47 AM
I agree to with Paul McFayden--I think Paul has some ulterior motives with this release. The "Nakedness" of Let it Be, set aside, Sir Paul prefers orchestral music in the backround these days when his contributions to the Beatles (and music with a capital "M") are discussed. I hate to read any articles about him or the Beatles these days--he's forcing me to side with Yoko!

BUT--I welcome Naked. Within a dynamic band, battles are won and lost over which mix makes it on the album. The Anthology has some worthwhile music on it, tho I don't listen to it often. One of my favorite box sets, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, ranks high because it has so many interesting alternate mixes of his greatest songs--and many are as compelling as the originally realeased versions. I know Jimi probably wouldn't want his alternate cuts released, and suspect Lennon is frowning as well.

If Paul still can't live down his legacy, and we have to keep hearing of it, at least we're getting something out of it. Perhaps it will also be the impetus for starting a remastering program ala the Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, or Bob Dylan.


 

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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 07:33 AM
Heard a few songs from this on the radio yesterday. They sounded pretty good. I'll go buy it tomorrow.
 
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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 10:55 AM
I will defiantely be picking this up tommorow.. I think it will be interesting to hear these songs as they were played in the studio..

I dont have a problem with anything Sir Paul is doing these days,except for him changing the songwriting credits on his live album..

I think the "stripped down" versions of LAWR and Across the Universe are better than the originals, IMHO.

I hear Paul is also "cleaning up" the Let It Be film for DVD release.. I certianly hope so

 

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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 03:17 PM
We've kind of talked about this here before. - I fortunately got to hear it last week. The sound IS excellent. They should consider remixing EVERYTHING, of course I'd just settle for a remastering of stuff. Anyway, of course I do have many complaints about LIB...Naked, but nonetheless at this point, I just welcome anything "new" the Beatles get out. I don't want to go into details about my complaints, so I'll just name a few of the things I thought were great: #1) Finally, the acoustic guitar that I feel is so important to the song "For You Blue", which Spector mixed out, is back in. It sounds great. #2) What I feel is the best live take of "The Long and Winding Road" was used and mixed beautifully. Incidentally I also feel that if people who dislike the song would've initially heard this recording, they might not dislike it as much. It's a dynamic band performance. #3) "Don't Let Me Down" is a great outtake, it is the first rooftop version, however they edited out John's vocal mistake by editing in the correct lines from the 2nd rooftop take, at first I was against this, but in the end it came off great! #4) You can hear the Billy Preston's electric piano part much better in "Dig a Pony". #5) The overall sound quality is good.
 

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  posted on 11/17/2003 at 09:16 PM
Wasn't there talk of a DVD coming out too?

 

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  posted on 11/18/2003 at 07:24 PM
Picked this up today. Sounds great.

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  posted on 11/18/2003 at 07:27 PM
Yea, it's pretty damn cool .....

I would rate it "essential" .....

 

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  posted on 11/18/2003 at 07:34 PM
I'm on it like stink on **** .
 
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  posted on 11/18/2003 at 07:35 PM
The sound on this is incredible!!! A must have for any Beatle fan. The biggest difference I think is Dont Let Me Down. I always loved the song, but I thought the production was a little weak on the orginal.. Let It Be sounds a little too clean maybe, but even that sounds cool.

And the songwriting credits are all Lennon/ McCartney
Besides Georges stuff of course...

The "fly on the wall" stuff is cool, but its basically what you could find in the Anthology as well....

Any new Beatles is good Beatles

I have a question though.I was under the assumption that Paul was producing this. he didnt. Wasn't that the point?? For this to sound they way he thought it should. I havent been able to read the booklet yet, but there are 3 producers on the back cover, and he isnt one of them.....

 

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  posted on 11/18/2003 at 07:37 PM
Oh, and this is on sale at K Mart for 999 till the end of the week.....A great deal!

 

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  posted on 11/19/2003 at 02:58 AM
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I have a question though.I was under the assumption that Paul was producing this. he didnt. Wasn't that the point?? For this to sound they way he thought it should. I havent been able to read the booklet yet, but there are 3 producers on the back cover, and he isnt one of them.....


He didn't have to be sat in the producers chair Chuck, to get what he wanted - as Macca tells it, a chance encounter with Michael Lindsay-Hogg (the director of the Let It Be movie) lead to him getting the project started.

All he had to do was to give the production team its' brief ("lose the Spector sh*t!"), and the result's the right one for him...

 
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  posted on 11/19/2003 at 05:26 AM
This is true... Im sure he had the final say in the finished product... I can get over how great this sounds

 

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  posted on 11/19/2003 at 02:11 PM
I just have to say (and I'm trying, as a die hard fan, not to complain about the "issues" with this album) that I am really really enjoying "For You Blue", "The Long and Winding Road" & "Don't Let Me Down". My only true complaint is "I've Got a Feeling", because I don't really know why they changed versions, the other one is one of my favourite Beatle recordings.
 

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  posted on 11/19/2003 at 07:30 PM
I think its the 'single" version, but I prefer Let It Be with the ripping guitar solo (George?) at the end...

What are everyones thoughts on them "remastering" some of the other albums?
I think as longs as they dont omit anything, and just "clean it up" so to speak, it would be ok. I know alot of the earlier stuff is mono, so i dont know how that would work..

 

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  posted on 11/19/2003 at 09:27 PM
I've heard it twice now, start to finish. I absolutley love it.
 

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  posted on 11/20/2003 at 03:01 AM
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What are everyones thoughts on them "remastering" some of the other albums?
I think as longs as they dont omit anything, and just "clean it up" so to speak, it would be ok. I know alot of the earlier stuff is mono, so i dont know how that would work..


It really depends on the material, Chuck - I know PauliG has "issues" with the stereo mix of Rubber Soul, feelings that I tend to share! This and possibly one or two other of their mid-Sixties' albums do sound as though the stereo mix was done on the fly. Provided that the original albums remain in print, I would look forward to alternate versions, using the approach applied to the songs on the Yellow Submarine songtrack - ie. stripping out all the individual tracks (The Beatles were fond of "bouncing 4 tracks of recordings onto 1, thereby enabling them to add more overdubs), to create lush new multitrack mixes. Though it's not my favourite Beatles album by a long stretch, imagine what a re-constructed 16-track digital mix of Sgt. Pepper's would sound like!

Also, I would like to see A Hard Days Night and Beatles For Sale get stereo CD releases - both of these albums were recorded on 4-track, so there's no reason not for them to get stereo treatment.

Please Please Me and With The Beatles are much more difficult - the method of 2-track recording used on these meant that (with one or two exceptions, where overdubbing was used) all the instruments were on one track, all the voices on the other; my stereo LP's don't sound great, as you could imagine! It's probably better to leave these well alone (though I do miss the stereo Money on WTB - one of the exceptions noted above)

 
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  posted on 11/20/2003 at 05:39 AM
I was thinking the same thing about Sgt Pepper ( not my fav either, that would be Rubber Soul ) It would sound sweet with a digital mix I didnt think it was possible to remix the earlier mono stuff... I can see them remixing this stuff eventually..

 

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  posted on 11/20/2003 at 08:57 AM
Picked it up yesterday & love it. Keep 'em coming.

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  posted on 11/20/2003 at 10:38 AM
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I know PauliG has "issues" with the stereo mix of Rubber Soul, feelings that I tend to share!


WOW! I've been heard! hee hee.

Seriously though, I couldn't agree more Paul. That's really the issue with the Naked album too. It's not like it's a REPLACEMENT. It's an alternate way of hearing the music - I too feel they should try remixing pretty much all of the albums, but also remastering the original mono AND stereo mixes. You'd be stupid to delete anything Beatles!!! In fact it still blows my mind that there is such a demand for say, the mono White album, and yet it's never been issued anywhere except the original rare vinyl (excepting pirates/bootlegs of course) I mean so many other bands have released every last bit of everything and yet the Beatles have had their albums issued once on CD in only one version each, all in the 1980's... It's really strange.

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  posted on 11/20/2003 at 01:47 PM
I am looking forward to hearing it. But let's face it. This was never and is never going to be considered the Beatles' finest moment, no matter what mix is used. It is a decent album with some brilliant moments, but is hardly on par with Revolver, the White Album, or Abbey Road.

Nonetheless, I will get it and probably pick and choose the best versions and make my own edition.

Deviating a bit, Sir Paul and Ringo ought to consider developing a Beatles retrospective concert film a la "The Kids are Alright". Instead of a straight concert film, use different clips of different gigs and show appearances. Mix it with some classic interviews and they'd have a winner IMHO.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 10:31 AM
I've given this quite a few listens now. (been in my car a few days)
and I really like it.

However I like the Original version of "Winding Road" a lot better.

I also like the Spector version of 'Accross the Universe" The differences
are very subtle but I think it is better with the orchestration.

I also like the Bowie-Lennon version of "Universe" on Bowie's "Young American" album.

That's one of the great things about music, the different interpretations of
the same material.

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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 11:11 AM
Gotta agree with you on Across The Universe, John - whatever the merits of LAWR, Across The Universe definitely benefitted from the overdubs. They give the arrangement a grandiosity, that suits the sentiments of the song; also, they help to give the track variety, as it sounds (dare I say it?) a little monotonous when stripped back.

I still don't understand why they couldn't have used one of the mixes from the original Feb '68 sessions - whilst the original girlie backing vocals aren't to my taste, there are alternate versions circulating with additional Lennon backing vocal overdubs and some subtle wah-wah guitar from George, that definitely sound better than the one on ...Naked.

It should also be noted that, whatever else John thought of the rest of the album, he loved what Phil Spector did to this track; it seems thoughtless really, to alter it in this way.

 
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  posted on 11/21/2003 at 12:15 PM
I agree with you guys too. I personally like the strings but don't like the choir on "Across the Universe", but I don't like the "raw" mix either! You know they used overdubs on the other songs on Naked, why couldn't they use overdubs on "Across the Universe"? The song was NEVER intended to be released as raw as on NAKED. But now, I'm starting to get into the complaining I said I wouldn't do! hee hee. - I'm still listening to the album now too and still reflecting. And I can definitely say, regardless of what versions are used or whatever, the remixing sonically sounds excellent. I listened to the "Get Back" on NAKED and compared the sound to the one on BEATLES 1 and what a difference...
 
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