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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 03:26 PM
gotta give warren a lot of credit I truly believe he is one of todays best songwriters out their .I truly believe their will be many more mule albums in the future>I would love to feel confident about another ABB album ,but who knows.
 
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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 03:40 PM
Eh...I think he WAS. Comparing the songwriting on Dose to the songwriting on By a Thread is like night and day.

Woody was the key.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 03:44 PM
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Eh...I think he WAS. Comparing the songwriting on Dose to the songwriting on By a Thread is like night and day.

Woody was the key.



I would have to agree completely.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 03:55 PM
Their or there?

Anyway his earlier albums were great in the songwriting department, agreed!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 04:20 PM
I disagree. with the responses that is. There were lame songs early on and there are lame songs now. But there are great songs too.

Obviously nothing will impact me the way the first albums did now. But for me HIGH & MIGHTY is my 2nd favorite Mule album. (after DOSE)

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 04:31 PM
Dose is king, but there's some great songs on every album. For my tastes, Deja Voodoo was the most recent 'solid' album they've put out.
 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 06:24 PM
i'm with pauliG on this. too many man-ballads over the years.

the man plays with feeling, you gotta give him that, but i'd rather see him rippin than yearning

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 06:46 PM
I love all of Mule's work and think Warren is an amazing song writer!!!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 08:00 PM
Ahh, ripping is over rated. You can have a great song without one rip. In fact I am a bit tired of the searing guitar parts. Sometimes I would like the structure and the cadence of the songs to be played a little differently. That's why a song like Hallelujah works so well. If you constantly want to hear searing guitars stick with the metal bands and the ABB type bands. Mule is a band that has a diverse and esoteric sound and their set lists reflect it. If you go to the festival type shows only you will hear the main songs repeatedly, but that's because there are always new people at those type of shows. If you want a varied set list with songs that have some differences between one and the next, go to the club and theater shows.

As for Man Ballads. Sheesh. I looked at some of the photos of the European crowds and it looks like a homoerotic sausage fest. Women getting into the band is a key component to the band's growth. And it has been for the past five six years now and apparently it is working because the shows have been well attended here by women, especially in the major markets and that has resulted in the band having many more sold out shows and a larger following overall.

As for song writing. I think there was more complex song writing (both lyrically and musically) in some of the earlier material, but that the newer material has some excellent songs as well, though sometimes the lyrics feel incomplete to me in a few songs. Also musically I think there is often the use of dystonic departures to the melody and felt it was a technique used a little too much in the last cd, but overall the songs are solid, save for Gordon James which is not my cup of tea so to speak. I thought High and Mighty was a very good cd and I felt that way about Deja Voodoo too, though none of the cds speak to me like the Dose and Life Before Insanity and even the first cd.

So yes I think Warren is one of the top song writers from the post Dylan/Beatles generation.

I do think some times material can be worked on a little more, especially lyrically. But then again, I've been spending time reading the Black Keys lyrics and the songs tend to be very simple and a tad short. (Though they do have strong songs musically and "sound" wise.) So I would like to see more complex material from them over time. And that is part of the gauge. It isn't really about does the artist "still have it," or where does he or she "rank," but can the artist grow and continue to write songs that have meaning (for them and the audience) and does their writing allow the artist an opportunity to explore different styles and types of songs. For example Bob Dylan has remained fresh because he changed his song writing styles around throughout his career and yet, some songs are stronger than others and his earlier material is the better part in general, of his catalog. From my perspective anyway.

As for Warren he has so many songs he's written so I think he can explore different aspects of his expression and not feel pressure if some cd or another (or some songs or another) isn't (aren't) as well received.

To me it's more about this:

Let my inspiration flow
in token lines suggesting rhythm
that will not forsake me
till my tale is told and done

Since the end is never told
we pay the teller off in gold
in hopes he will come back
but he cannot be bought or sold

Inspiration, move me brightly
light the song with sense and color,
hold away despair
More than this I will not ask
faced with mysteries dark and vast
statements just seem vain at last
some rise, some fall, some climb
to get to Terrapin


[Edited on 7/1/2010 by Canadeeio]

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 10:21 PM
It's all good.


I like By a Thread as much as ANY of the earlier albums.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 10:36 PM
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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 11:44 PM
Great writer,great singer,great player & most importantly,IMO...Warren is a great person & knows how to treat his fan's....good enough for me.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 02:27 AM
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Great writer,great singer,great player & most importantly,IMO...Warren is a great person & knows how to treat his fan's....good enough for me.


Ditto what Hugh said!!!

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 05:43 AM
Great Songs,Great Guitar,Great Singer,Great Man

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 06:42 AM
Premiere?

As in lyricist, nope.
Good lyrics, but no where in league as say
Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Van Morrison or Robbie Robertson.

Writes some pretty damn good music, though

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 11:21 AM
Warren has written some great great songs both before Woody's passing and afterwards. Some are rockers, some are ballads. I think on the last couple of albums the songs have not been up to snuff lyrically and I suspect that is because of the way the songs were written, in the studio and being worked up by the band with Warren then retiring to another room to throw some lyrics together.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 12:20 PM
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Premiere?

As in lyricist, nope.
Good lyrics, but no where in league as say
Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Van Morrison or Robbie Robertson.

Writes some pretty damn good music, though



You should ask Levon Helm about the songs Robbie Robertson wrote. On second thought don't.

 

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