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Author: Subject: Jake Holmes finally sues Jimmy Page over 'Dazed and Confused'

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Waited long enough, didn't he ...


Led Zeppelin sued for alleged plagiarism of Dazed and Confused

American folk-singer Jake Holmes claims authorship of the song, saying Jimmy Page first heard it when he opened for the Yardbirds in 1967

An American folk-singer is suing Led Zeppelin, claiming he wrote their classic song Dazed and Confused. Jake Holmes, whose authorship of the tune has been widely cited for decades, is pursuing Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin's labels for at least $1m in damages.

In documents filed on Monday, Holmes cited a 1967 copyright registration for Dazed and Confused, renewed in 1995. That song, which you can listen to here, was released in 1967 on the San Francisco-born musician's debut album.

In fact, the path that leads from Holmes to Page is very well known. As documented by Perfect Sound Forever magazine, Holmes opened for Page's then-band, the Yardbirds, at a Greenwich Village gig in August 1967. "That was the infamous moment of my life when Dazed and Confused fell into the loving arms and hands of Jimmy Page," Holmes recalled in an interview with Will Shade. Yardbirds drummer Jim McCarty described going to a record shop the next day to buy a copy of Holmes's album. "We decided to do a version," he said. "We worked it out together with Jimmy contributing the guitar riffs in the middle."

When the Yardbirds broke up in 1968, Page brought the song to his new band, releasing it on Led Zeppelin's self- titled first album. But although Holmes's contribution to the tune is often commented upon – and even dominates Dazed and Confused's Wikipedia page – Page is credited as the track's sole songwriter. In 1990, Musician magazine quizzed Page on the subject, asking if Holmes was the original composer. "I don't know about all that," Page replied. "I'd rather not get into it because I don't know all the circumstances. What's he got – the riff or whatever? ... I haven't heard Jake Holmes so I don't know what it's all about anyway. Usually my riffs are pretty damn original."

It's not clear why Holmes has waited more than 40 years to file a plagiarism suit. Due to a statute of limitations, the 70-year-old can only claim royalties and damages for the past three years; and so he's doing just that, seeking actual damages, three years of song profits and statutory damages of $150,000 (£99,000) per infringement. As the track appears on everything from Led Zeppelin's debut to their BBC Sessions, as well as DVDs and compilations, that's no small sum. Enough, certainly, to fund a late retirement.

The case continues.


* guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010


http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jun/30/led-zeppelin-sued-dazed-and-con fused

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 09:41 AM
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It's not clear why Holmes has waited more than 40 years to file a plagiarism suit. Due to a statute of limitations, the 70-year-old can only claim royalties and damages for the past three years; and so he's doing just that, seeking actual damages, three years of song profits and statutory damages of $150,000 (£99,000) per infringement. As the track appears on everything from Led Zeppelin's debut to their BBC Sessions, as well as DVDs and compilations, that's no small sum. Enough, certainly, to fund a late retirement.



I think the last sentence here sums up an answer to the mystery in the first sentence...

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 11:14 AM
http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html
 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 12:31 PM
Plagiarism? Jimmy?

 

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I heard him called Jimmy Plaige by someone here.

He "covered" a lot of songs.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 02:45 PM
Ask Memphis Minnie, among others, how Page plagiarizes.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 03:18 PM
Jimmy page is the man!!
 

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Ask Memphis Minnie, among others, how Page plagiarizes.

Ask Willie Dixon, too.

 

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Didn't Jimmy write "Green Grass & High Tides"???









Maybe it was Henry Paul.











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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 07:36 PM
Jake Holmes' version 1967:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

Yardbirds version 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag

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Quoting Homer Simpson:

“There’s Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the earth.”


[Edited on 7/1/2010 by les_paul_sunburst]

 

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Ask Willie Dixon, too.


excactly.....

 

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  posted on 6/30/2010 at 10:43 PM

Deep Tracks on XM/Sirius 40 played the Holmes version about 15 minutes ago (11:25 p ET/ 8:25 PT) & it sure sounds A LOT like the Zep version, hmmm I wonder....

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 12:22 AM
After 40 years I personally would not give this guy's case even the slightest merit.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 12:46 AM
I expect a judge will, but it will probably be settled out of court with a check changing hands.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 05:49 PM
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After 40 years I personally would not give this guy's case even the slightest merit.


well 40+ years on matthew fisher won co-writer credit on "a whiter shade of pale" so never say never.

 

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After 40 years I personally would not give this guy's case even the slightest merit.


The passage of 40 years does not make his case less compelling. Just listen to the similarities. Jake Holmes loses a ton of $ just by waiting so long.

 

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Visited Memphis Minnie's grave. Bet Robert Johnson is spinning in his over Page also.

 

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Heh heh.


Actually that tune was rumored to be penned by James Peter Britton, roadie for the Outlaws. As for Led Zepplin ... why is it Page getting all the blame??? I believe the lyrics are the only thing similar in most of the alledged cases. I would assume that Robert Plant would be credited with writing/copying those ... Zepplin was/is "f'n" awsome. Their versions are the difinative versions of the tunes in question. A lot of folks don't realize that what Zep is accused of was common practice in the record industry at that time. Heck it was common practice today and certainly among blues "artists."

 

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The Stones were/still are respected for giving props to the music/licks they got from the Trad. artists...

 

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Heh heh.


Actually that tune was rumored to be penned by James Peter Britton, roadie for the Outlaws. As for Led Zepplin ... why is it Page getting all the blame??? I believe the lyrics are the only thing similar in most of the alledged cases. I would assume that Robert Plant would be credited with writing/copying those ... Zepplin was/is "f'n" awsome. Their versions are the difinative versions of the tunes in question. A lot of folks don't realize that what Zep is accused of was common practice in the record industry at that time. Heck it was common practice today and certainly among blues "artists."


I have a hard time understanding the 'he did it, why can't I' line of defense.

As Hugh points out, look at the Stones and Clapton. They were and still are honest.

 

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Zep copied so many blues songs and never gave the writers credit.

 

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Quoting Homer Simpson:

“There’s Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the earth.”


[Edited on 7/1/2010 by les_paul_sunburst]


hahaha, was that really on The Simpsons? That's hilarious.

(I love Led Zep, btw...)

 

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Jake Holmes' version 1967:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

Yardbirds version 1968:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag

"Your honor. We've reached a private settlement and the case is going to be dismissed."


If you haven't heard the Holmes version, it really is stunning. I also read that longish article somebody linked to earlier in the week (thanks). Most of that information was not news to me... still, it's annoying as all hell when one of your musical heroes turns out to be a thief. It's one thing to "borrow" music, but it's another thing altogether to take a paycheck for somebody else's song while those who went before you go unthanked and destitute.

 
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