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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 11:08 AM
After watching the DVD from the L.S. show @ Winterland in S.F. from 1975, the memories came flooding back (I was there)...for the longest time I could not clearly remember just how many times I had seen the original band perform...I had guessed twice, once for sure...but viewing this DVD assured me that it was indeed twice (both in S.F.)....That being said, a few thoughts about the original band, the Lynyrd Skynyrd I knew and appreciated...
It's clear to me who the real front man was in those days, (Obviously RVZ, goes w/out saying) but while watching the Winterland show, one guitar player stood out amongst the three.. Ed King had the Skynyrd sound, was the man. In listening, he sounded like the only one who possessed (in this guitar player's ears) the skill and ability to step away from the choreographed solos the other two (Rossington & Collins) seemed so comfortable with. Standing center stage with the omnipresent cigarette dangling from his lips he sang background vocals and threw in tasty slide solos, (reminiscent of "Curtis Loew") and was the one guy who appeared to have decent chops... Don't get me wrong, Allen Collins had some fire and certainly was familiar with the same licks he seemed to be so content with playing, song after song...very rarely did A.C. step out his comfort zone...Mr. Rossington?...Relegated to a few solos and fills that are really nothing more than running scales ...Imho, was by far the weakest of the three. Strutting all over the stage while playing the simplest of fills was almost comical to this player's ears...My point in all this?... Gary Rossington is the only surviving member of this shell of a band and was the weakest player in the trio..... RVZ, staid and almost emotion less, nonetheless always gave 100% and sang his heart out without the need to bounce all over the stage trying to give the audience a show... That just wasn't his style (Thank God)....His little brother and current "Vocalist" on the other hand.....well....
Why all this?.... Seeing that video, reminded me of what a smokin' band they were in their early days. Performances like this one at Winterland (Even w/out Billy Powell) are of the type that placed them firmly on the FM dial....

I pick on the current "Band" a lot...and this video just strengthened my resolve. The group of players out there now, is NOT Lynyrd Skynyrd...They are gravy train riders, led by a guy interested in money. If it were about "keeping the music alive"..haha...they should go back, watch some old footage...and do us all a favor and retire... sound mean?...possibly..I think it's because I remember, I was there and recall just how damned great they were...

If you've never seen the original group of players, jump on this vine....get a taste of how it was....Highly recommended

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 12:53 PM
Funny, "Gimme Back My Bullets" w/ the two guitar lineup post Ed King is my favorite Skynyrd album. I'll give Rossington a bit more credit. Although now that I think about it I believe Barry Harwood played on that album, kind of a Les Dudek thing?

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 02:13 PM
I loved watching Leon play. The "Cat In The Hat" had his own style for sure.
 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 02:18 PM
Ed King is also my favorite Skynyrd guitarist. I grew up with the music of the original lineup although I was too young to see them. My first live concert experiences were Skynyrd 1991-95. It wasn't the original, but some good music was still being made. After Ed left, the shows that followed were noticeably inferior. Rickey Medlocke is shamefully bad, like he's doing a poor Allen Collins impression. After Leon died, I never saw the band live again.
 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 02:34 PM
Stevie Gaines man right here <<<<<

(also love Ed King thouh)

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 03:29 PM
I love all the incarnations of the band, just as I do the ABB...
Lynyrd Skynyrd is as much of a band as the current ABB, or for that matter, any band that has replaced members. Ain't nothin' like the real thing baby!

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 04:54 PM
the current skynyrd still releases new music. people say the don't play new material live but they do and they don't play the same hits. i think they've played over 20 different 70's tunes in the last decade.


can someone explain to me why people refuse to count medlocke as a 70's member of LS?
he played drums on what became skynyrds first...and last and provided great background vocals as well as insane lead vocals on a few tunes and has cowriting credits on some songs and wrote the few songs he sings lead vocals on.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 06:45 PM

I saw the original band twice. Once at Winterland and once at
Day On The Green in Oakland. Allen Collins was IMO a very good
guitarist. But the band never seemed to sound the same to me without
Ed King. Not only is he a fine guitarist, but Ed co-wrote a lot of their best tunes.

And once again, R.I.P. Jo Jo Billingsley. Fly on Lady Freebird.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 06:51 PM
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Funny, "Gimme Back My Bullets" w/ the two guitar lineup post Ed King is my favorite Skynyrd album. I'll give Rossington a bit more credit. Although now that I think about it I believe Barry Harwood played on that album, kind of a Les Dudek thing?




Wasn't it Allen and Gary on "Gimme Back My Bullets". I thought Barry came on when
they became the Rossington-Collins Band. Maybe I'm wrong. Age and a lot of recreational
pharmacuticals back then may have intruded on my memory.


 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 06:56 PM
recent photo of original members Bob Burns and Ed King.


 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 07:00 PM
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the current skynyrd still releases new music.
who cares!, it sucks!.

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can someone explain to me why people refuse to count medlocke as a 70's member of LS?

because he wasnt. he was just a fill- in

[Edited on 6/26/2010 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 07:05 PM
The reason that Medlocke is not considered an original member by many is because he really wasn't. Ronnie, Gary, and Allen played with a lot of people inside and outside the studio starting as early as 1964, including briefly with Rickey in 1970. In the year before their debut album, the lineup that the world came to know as Skynyrd solidified as Ronnie, Gary, Allen, Bob, Billy, Leon and Ed (Leon left briefly during the recording of the debut album but was back by the time they were pictured for it and then hit the road).

The band that is pictured on their debut is considered the original lineup or otherwise 15+ guys could claim to the be in the original Lynyrd Skynyrd.

They released an album of early outtakes that included Rickey after the fact. He wasn't inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame - the band pictured on the first album + Artimus Pyle and Steve Gaines were.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 07:28 PM
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the current skynyrd still releases new music.
who cares!, it sucks!.

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can someone explain to me why people refuse to count medlocke as a 70's member of LS?

because he wasnt. he was just a fill- in

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i didn't say he is an original member i said he's a 70's member. when a band releases a photo that damn has the guy in the picture then yes he was part of the band in the 70's. if he was a fill in why is he singing lead vocals? well because they thought he was going to stay with the band. you must be one of those people who say tracii guns isn't an original member of guns n roses despite the fact his name is used for part of the bands name.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 08:04 PM
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i didn't say he is an original member i said he's a 70's member.


Ok, he was a "member" in the 70s.....zzzzzzzzz

The current group of players masquerading as Lynyrd Skynyrd are a poor substitute for the real thing.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 08:08 PM
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the current skynyrd still releases new music.
who cares!, it sucks!.

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can someone explain to me why people refuse to count medlocke as a 70's member of LS?

because he wasnt. he was just a fill- in

[Edited on 6/26/2010 by pops42]


i didn't say he is an original member i said he's a 70's member. when a band releases a photo that damn has the guy in the picture then yes he was part of the band in the 70's. if he was a fill in why is he singing lead vocals? well because they thought he was going to stay with the band. you must be one of those people who say tracii guns isn't an original member of guns n roses despite the fact his name is used for part of the bands name.



LOL,this never gets old.....film at 11....

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 09:05 PM
On the other hand, The Who name should have been retired after John died.


 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 09:07 PM
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Funny, "Gimme Back My Bullets" w/ the two guitar lineup post Ed King is my favorite Skynyrd album. I'll give Rossington a bit more credit. Although now that I think about it I believe Barry Harwood played on that album, kind of a Les Dudek thing?




Wasn't it Allen and Gary on "Gimme Back My Bullets". I thought Barry came on when
they became the Rossington-Collins Band. Maybe I'm wrong. Age and a lot of recreational
pharmacuticals back then may have intruded on my memory.




I'd have to go find the cd but I'm pretty sure Harwood guested on Bullets. Maybe that's why he got the call when they formed the RCB.....

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 09:29 PM
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Funny, "Gimme Back My Bullets" w/ the two guitar lineup post Ed King is my favorite Skynyrd album. I'll give Rossington a bit more credit. Although now that I think about it I believe Barry Harwood played on that album, kind of a Les Dudek thing?




Wasn't it Allen and Gary on "Gimme Back My Bullets". I thought Barry came on when
they became the Rossington-Collins Band. Maybe I'm wrong. Age and a lot of recreational
pharmacuticals back then may have intruded on my memory.




I'd have to go find the cd but I'm pretty sure Harwood guested on Bullets. Maybe that's why he got the call when they formed the RCB.....


Your right. Barry did play on GBMB.
From Wiki:

Track listing
[edit] Side one
1."Gimme Back My Bullets" (G.Rossington - R. Van Zant) 3:28
2."Every Mother's Son" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 4:56
3."Trust" (A.Collins - G.Rossington - R. Van Zant) 4:25
4."I Got the Same Old Blues" (J.J.Cale) 4:08
[edit] Side two
1."Double Trouble" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 2:49
2."Roll Gypsy Roll" (A.Collins - G.Rossington - R. Van Zant) 2:50
3."Searching" (A.Collins - J. Leiber - M. Stoller - R. Van Zant) 3:17
4."Cry for the Bad Man" (G.Rossington - A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 4:48
5."All I Can Do Is Write About It" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 4:16
[edit] 1999 CD reissue bonus tracks
10."Gimme Back My Bullets (Live)" (G.Rossington - R. Van Zant) 4:18
11."Cry For The Bad Man (Live)" (G.Rossington - A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 5:35
Both bonus tracks were recorded March 7, 1976 at Bill Graham's Winterland, San Francisco, California and are previously unreleased.
[edit] 2006 CD Deluxe Edition bonus tracks
10."Double Trouble" (Live) (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
11."I Got the Same Old Blues" (Live) (J.J. Cale)
12."Gimme Back My Bullets" (Live) (G.Rossington - R. Van Zant) 4:18
13."Cry For The Bad Man" (Live) (G.Rossington - A.Collins - R. Van Zant) 5:35
14."All I Can Do Is Write About It" (Acoustic Version) (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
15."Double Trouble" (Alternate Studio Take) (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
Live bonus tracks were recorded March 7, 1976 at Bill Graham's Winterland Ballroom, San Francisco, California.
[edit] 2006 Deluxe Edition bonus DVD
10."Double Trouble" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
11."I Ain't The One" (G.Rossington - R. Van Zant)
12."Call Me The Breeze" (G.Rossington - R. Van Zant)
13."I Got the Same Old Blues (Live)" (J.J.Cale)
14."Every Mother's Son" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
15."Sweet Home Alabama" (E.King - G.Rossington - R. Van Zant)
16."Free Bird" (A.Collins - R. Van Zant)
All tracks recorded live for 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' on BBC television in 1976.
[edit] Personnel
Lynyrd Skynyrd

Ronnie Van Zant lead vocals, lyrics
Allen Collins guitars
Gary Rossington guitars
Billy Powell keyboards
Leon Wilkeson bass, background vocals
Artimus Pyle drums, percussion
Additional: The Honkettes (background vocals: 5,8), Lee Freeman (harp: 4), Barry Lee Harwood (dobro & mandolin: 9), violin on (9) is "unidentified"






 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 09:35 PM
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the current skynyrd still releases new music.
who cares!, it sucks!.

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can someone explain to me why people refuse to count medlocke as a 70's member of LS?

because he wasnt. he was just a fill- in

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i didn't say he is an original member i said he's a 70's member. when a band releases a photo that damn has the guy in the picture then yes he was part of the band in the 70's. if he was a fill in why is he singing lead vocals? well because they thought he was going to stay with the band. you must be one of those people who say tracii guns isn't an original member of guns n roses despite the fact his name is used for part of the bands name.



LOL,this never gets old.....film at 11....


guess it doesn't.will anyone argue larry junstrom isn't the original LS bass player?

 

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"Searching" (A.Collins - J. Leiber - M. Stoller - R. Van Zant)


Interesting writing credits there, never noticed before....

 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 10:10 PM


Scuse me while I grab my popcorn

 

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  posted on 6/26/2010 at 12:04 AM
Love this pic.



RIP Jo Jo.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2010 at 12:08 AM
thanks for the memory BigV.....that is how music should be recolllected i suppose? What it meant to you ! I saw the "gimme" tour in Long Beach and that was my only exposure to "live" skynyrd from before the crash. I refuse to allow anything happening later to ruin my memory of that.

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  posted on 6/26/2010 at 12:48 AM


 

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  posted on 6/26/2010 at 09:16 AM
Big V let me get this straight ... are you or are you not fond of the current version of Skynyrd??? I can never tell. Lol!!! Biggun' you do bring up a very interesting point about what a great guitarist Ed King was/is. The funniest thing is that while Ed was from sunny "Southern" California, he was the most country sounding of all the Skynyrd guitarists ... well ... maybe with the exception of Steve Gaines. Ed's fills and solos are always some of my favorites i.e. fills "Call Me The Breeze" solos - "Working For MCA" and songwriting - "Swamp Music." Hey everybody notice how nobody ever covers "Swamp Music." And the real crime it has never been tabbed in any of the Guitar mags. I believe this is in part to Ed's inventiveness as a guitarist.

Now however, comes the rebuttal as someone so eloquently stated Gimme Back My Bullets especially the aniversary issue is testimony to that dynamic duo of Collins/Rossington. The DVD of the Old Grey Whistle Test proves what they can do both in the studio and live. There is also a live CD from Cardiff Wales during the post King pre Gaines period which is absolutley smoking. I believe it was used as a King Biscuit Flowere Hour show. It is incredible!!!

Another reason for Allen or Gary not stepping away from the recorded licks during live performances is not because they couldn't is because they weren't allowed. As you stated the obvious RVZ was in charge. He didn't like or tolerate varying from the recorded versions. It has been duly noted that he actually would come to blows with band members who FU their parts. As was the accepted practice back then, LS played roughly and hour and a half set of pretty much the same songs ... the same way. Although I am one of the biggest Skynyrd fans out there and saw them 3 times. They were less than stellar. The chief complaint was at least for the first 2 times they didn't play long enough.

Anyway Big V is there anyway I can get a copy of this Winterland show you're talking about? I'll be glad to trade for that Cardiff show. You have always been very generous even with those who may disagree with you. Lol!

 

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