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  posted on 6/23/2010 at 02:34 PM
I am currently shopping for an amp in the $600-800 price range. I am looking for a combo amp preferably with 1-12 inch speaker as I want the amp to be easily portable. I am definitely interested in the blues amp sound, but I don't want to lose too much of the "sweet ABB tone" either. Thus far I have checked out the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Blues Deluxe Reissue, the Peavey Classic 30, and the Egnator Rebel 30. I am probably also going to play the Marshall Haze 40. Any other suggestions? Any thoughts for those that own, or have owned any of these amps? At these point I think I am looking most closely at the Classic 30 and the Hot Rod Deluxe...although I am a bit torn.

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  posted on 6/23/2010 at 03:05 PM
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I am currently shopping for an amp in the $600-800 price range. I am looking for a combo amp preferably with 1-12 inch speaker as I want the amp to be easily portable. I am definitely interested in the blues amp sound, but I don't want to lose too much of the "sweet ABB tone" either. Thus far I have checked out the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Blues Deluxe Reissue, the Peavey Classic 30, and the Egnator Rebel 30. I am probably also going to play the Marshall Haze 40. Any other suggestions? Any thoughts for those that own, or have owned any of these amps? At these point I think I am looking most closely at the Classic 30 and the Hot Rod Deluxe...although I am a bit torn.

Thanks for your input,

Ryan


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  posted on 6/24/2010 at 10:30 PM
i am also in the market for a similar amp. I have a small Marshall practice amp but i am looking to upgrade to a larger Fender type amp. haven't really looked into a Peavey yet.
 

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  posted on 6/25/2010 at 03:44 PM
Thanks for the thoughts. I have found myself a good deal on a 1 1/2 year old used Classic 30 that I will be picking up on Wednesday, excited about it. I find that it is hard to get a true feel for an amp by going to a store and playing w/ it for 30 minutes but I like what I have heard of the Classic 30. I'll take this one home and play it for a while. If in a few months I am not satisfied then I can turn around and sell it. These things all seem to sell for around the same amount. I'll continue the search if necessary...but I hope to be as happy as Wannabe Derek.


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  posted on 6/26/2010 at 08:31 AM
For just a little more, you could get a Savage Macht 12x. Once you own a Savage, you will never need another amp. They are on sale this month for $1299. Killer deal. savageamps.com
 

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  posted on 6/28/2010 at 10:33 AM
Check out Lil Dawg

http://www.littledawgamps.com/

 

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  posted on 6/28/2010 at 06:38 PM
I love my Hot Rod Deluxe

I can go from Sweet to Dirty,

clean channel, drive channel, more drive channel

you can get really clean sound on the clean channel with the preamp set low
add gain to get more bluesy on this channel. I like to add a tube screamer set
to a warm setting to add more drive with the clean channel.

the drive channel gives a nice warm blues sound with some bite.

the more drive channel has an insane amount of drive.
this is necessary for Death Metal.
If I feel really really insane I can add
in the tube screamer.

40 lbs is not all that easy to lug, but not impossible. you are not going to get anything much lighter wanting a
12 inch speaker

 

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  posted on 6/29/2010 at 09:27 PM
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Love, love, love my Peavey Classic 30.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 06:27 PM
i would watch craigslist for used vintage amps, i picked up my 72 quad reverb for 800 bucks because i held off on buying what i thought i wanted, was originally looking for a tweed reissue blues deville 2x12 combo amp(early 90's reissue) no body where im at was letting them go for under 900! screw that
after getting the amp i spent about 250 more bucks and dropped wattage recapped and blackfaced it. i swear by it none of those reissue amps even come close to the tone i pull out of this amp. so all in all for 1000 bucks you can get something serious. and its always worth it to go for the real deal.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 06:27 PM
i would watch craigslist for used vintage amps, i picked up my 72 quad reverb for 800 bucks because i held off on buying what i thought i wanted, was originally looking for a tweed reissue blues deville 2x12 combo amp(early 90's reissue) no body where im at was letting them go for under 900! screw that
after getting the amp i spent about 250 more bucks and dropped wattage recapped and blackfaced it. i swear by it none of those reissue amps even come close to the tone i pull out of this amp. so all in all for 1000 bucks you can get something serious. and its always worth it to go for the real deal.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2010 at 08:27 PM
I sort of agree with Spacemonkey. I, too, love my Hot Rod Deluxe ... but I certainly love the Marshall sound and the Fender just don't deliver on that IMO.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2011 at 11:25 AM
Fender makes some very good/affordable tube amps....if you can spend the money though, get yourself a Boogie.....best non boutique company out there.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2011 at 04:15 PM
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Fender makes some very good/affordable tube amps....if you can spend the money though, get yourself a Boogie.....best non boutique company out there.


I keep looking at a Mesa Boogie Express 5:50 1 x 12. Feel like I need this thing bad and there is a used one for $900 that I have my eye on right now, feel like it is a good deal that I hate to pass up. That said this is really probably a bad case of GAS and I don't know that I can really justify the purchase, beyond the fact that I am not totally satisfied with the Classic 30 I got. I figure I can move the Classic 30 for the $350 that I have into it, but that is a heck of a jump from $350 to $900. Mostly when considering that I don't get to play that much through an amp because my year and a half year old daughter goes to bed at 8 PM (I don't get home from work till 6:30 and I spend time with her before her bed time). I'd probably be best served to just wait till when I can play more and save up some money in the meantime. I'm sure another used one will show up at the right time down the road. However I find I keep googling "Mesa Boogie Express 5:50" over and over again, I got it on the brain.

Anyone got some thoughts on this amp?

Ryan

 

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I keep looking at a Mesa Boogie Express 5:50 1 x 12. Feel like I need this thing bad and there is a used one for $900 that I have my eye on right now, feel like it is a good deal that I hate to pass up. That said this is really probably a bad case of GAS and I don't know that I can really justify the purchase, beyond the fact that I am not totally satisfied with the Classic 30 I got. I figure I can move the Classic 30 for the $350 that I have into it, but that is a heck of a jump from $350 to $900. Mostly when considering that I don't get to play that much through an amp because my year and a half year old daughter goes to bed at 8 PM (I don't get home from work till 6:30 and I spend time with her before her bed time). I'd probably be best served to just wait till when I can play more and save up some money in the meantime. I'm sure another used one will show up at the right time down the road. However I find I keep googling "Mesa Boogie Express 5:50" over and over again, I got it on the brain.

Anyone got some thoughts on this amp?

Ryan



Ryan, it sounds like you talked yourself right out of buying the amp !I'm the same way. I see alot of things I'd love to own and Lord knows I've bought alot of it. LOL ( My wife reminds me all the time) Do what you've got to do. Take care.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2011 at 08:15 PM
Shoot Ricky, I'm trying to talk myself out of it.

That said I am going to check the amp out tomorrow. so will see what happens after that.

Ryan

 

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  posted on 2/18/2011 at 08:57 PM
Silver Face Fender Deluxe Reverb. You won't regret it, they are very undervalued.
I'm surprised at a Mesa, that is furthest from an ABB sounding toneful amp I could think of. YMMV

 

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Silver Face Fender Deluxe Reverb. You won't regret it, they are very undervalued.
I'm surprised at a Mesa, that is furthest from an ABB sounding toneful amp I could think of. YMMV


Depends on what era of the band we are talking about. If you are shooting for the Filmore East tone, then yes I agree, the Mesa will take you futher away from that. I can actually get a good Marshall Plexi tone from my Classic 30 with my Danelectro Drive pedal (Fulltone OCD clone).

However if you are shooting for more of the rounded, warmer, and at times heavier, tones that has dominated the band's guitarist sounds since the '90's then I'd say this particularly amp from Mesa Boogie gets closer to that sound then the more vintage Fender amps. The 5:50 Express isn't as heavy handed as most Mesa's and seems to be an extremely versatile amp. Figure I can hit the "Filmore East" sound by running my pedal through the clean channel and then get the more modern day ABB sound by playing with the drive channel. Obviously everything doesn't need to sound like an ABB tone by I am certainly fond of those sounds. I think the main thing that is drawing me to the Mesa is the versatility of the amp, as well as sound.

Here is a good demo of it, although the guy has the amp dialed up pretty aggressively. I played through one today and it has a beautiful sounding clean channel. It is amazing how different the amp sounds when set to 5 watts vs. 50 watts, they capture this in the video as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y_eQGlfbn0





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  posted on 2/24/2011 at 10:09 PM
I play through a Marshall DSL 2000 40 watt combo. I prefer it over the Fender amps that I've played over the years. This Marshall has a reputation for over heating but I've never had a problem with it. In addition, it can be really loud with out breaking up. Especially if you are playing in a club.

On channel one, if you bring up the gain, you'll start to "grit" up the sound a bit. It is very bluesy. If you want to get that Duane Allman "Dreams" tone, you can switch to channel two and really distort the amp and mess with your tone control on your guitar.

The amp itself isn't top notch. It could be constructed better. But I know a lot of tone snobs who like what I can get out of the amp. Check it out. I'm sure you could find one cheap.

 

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Depends on what era of the band we are talking about. If you are shooting for the Filmore East tone, then yes I agree, the Mesa will take you futher away from that. I can actually get a good Marshall Plexi tone from my Classic 30 with my Danelectro Drive pedal (Fulltone OCD clone).

However if you are shooting for more of the rounded, warmer, and at times heavier, tones that has dominated the band's guitarist sounds since the '90's then I'd say this particularly amp from Mesa Boogie gets closer to that sound then the more vintage Fender amps.


After spending some time focusing in more on exactly what "ABB tone" I was looking for I resumed my search last week. I decided my favorite tones were probably that of Warren and Dickey from about '92 to '95 and the Where it all Begins album. During those years Warren's main rig was/is his Soldano SLO 100 w/ 5881 tubes (type of 6L6, said to have a tighter bass response, more mids, and less glassy in the highs...generally "creamier" and warm sounding) and Dickey was switching between the Soldano as well and his Marshall heads. This would be the general sound I was looking for.

Knew I couldn't afford to pick up a Soldano so I decided to checked out some of the Jet City line, which is made by Soldano. They sounded great, but unfortunately the 50 watt combo amp (Jet City 5212) I really wanted to check out is not in stores yet so I couldn't find what I wanted. I was really impressed with the 20 watt, one channel combo amp (Jet City 2112) though. If I was interested in a 1 channel amp I would have examined it more in depth.

Played the Mesa Boogie Express 5:50 (6L6 tubes) again. Although I like it, I wasn't blown away. For the higher price I wanted to be blown away so I passed.

I checked out a Fender Super Sonic 22 (6V6 tubes), which was a very versatile and great sounding amp. It could cover alot of ground and get close to the sound I was going for. $900 new it was the new front runner, although I was not yet completely sold.

About this time the salesman asked me if I had checked out any of the Kustom amps. "No, I am not familiar." He pointed me towards the Kustom Defender V50 and told me that it was his favorite amp in the room full of combo amps and highly recommended checking it out. 50 watt, 2 channel amp with reverb and a Celestion Vintage 30 speaker for $700 new...I was intrigued. Also the amp has EL 34 tubes which are very similar in character to the 5881 which is used in the Soldano head and they are generally the same tubes used by Marshall, so I definitely had to check it out. Ended up playing on the amp for about an hour. Nice, full Fendery cleans and a nice variety of gain tones including that warm ABB sound I have been searching for. I was already sold there, but what put it over the top for me were the other features of the amp. Master volumes on both channels, which will allow me to dial in any sound and still play at bedroom levels while my daughter sleeps. Bright switches on both channel to dial in a more 6L6/ Fender tone if wanted. A 3 button footswitch that controls channel, reverb/effects, plus has a boost button that you can engage for soloing that will give you up to a 10 db boost in volume (it is adjustable). I don't think I have ever seen this on any amp I have played, really cool feature. The footswitch, as well as the amp, light up to show you what is selected...which is always a plus. To top everything off, the amp is just a nice looking piece, plus it is taller than my Classic 30, which just helps the ease of use.

Needless to say I picked the amp up on Saturday and am quickly falling in love with it. Obviously I can't speak to the reliabilty or durability of the amp yet, but thus far I would highly recommend people checking them out. Great sounding amp and alot of value for your money. I have been "shooting it out" w/ my Classic 30, the Kustom can do everything the Classic 30 can do and more, plus it sounds better doing it and has more features. The Classic 30 is now listed on craigslist. The Kustom amp was actually designed by James Brown who use to work for Peavey and designed the Classic 30, as well as Van Halen's and Joe Satriani's amps.

Here is some more info on the Kustom Defender V50 if anyone is interested. They are fairly new, so reviews and sound clips were hard to come by (which is why I want to share):

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-The-Defender-V50-50W-1x12 -Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=423623

Anyone have any experience with Kustom amps they care to share?

Ryan

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http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-The-Defender-V50-50W-1x12 -Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=423623


hmm

looks very similar to my Hot Rod Deluxe but without the Reverb.

glad you found the tone you were searching for.



 

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http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-The-Defender-V50-50W-1x12 -Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=423623


hmm

looks very similar to my Hot Rod Deluxe but without the Reverb.

glad you found the tone you were searching for.






Thanks. The Defender V50 does have reverb though. It has a two knob control for the reverb, one controls the intensity the other controls the tone. The reverb tone as described by Kustom:

A traditional Kustom feature, the Reverb Tone allows the user to fine-tune the sound of the reverb effect. Turning this Tone fully clockwise yields a very bright reverb effect with emphasized “spring.” By turning the Reverb Tone down, a warmer, less-springy sounding reverb effect results. The warmer reverb tone allows for more reverb intensity without dominating the sound.

As far as comparing it to the Hot Rod Deluxe, Kustom makes the Coupe series of amps...Coupe 36 (36 watts 1x12) or Coupe 72 (72 watts 2x12)...that are probably a bit more comparable. They have the same exact same features of the Defender V50 except they use 6L6's instead of EL34's and a Eminence speaker instead of the Celestion (on the Coupe 72 they also add a tremolo and vibrato effect on the amp). I believe the Defender is actually taking the place of the Coupe Series in Kustom's product line and you can get some really great deals on those amps right now. I saw a new Coupe 72 listed for $700 in the store I bought from. I was interested but the Defender had the smoother, warmer, and more rounded tones in the high gain territory that I was looking for.

Here is a link to the Coupe 72, really cool looking amp with the "tuck and roll" front. There are pictures of the dials and switches as well as the footswitch, this is exactly what the Defender looks like (w/ the exception of the tremolo and vibrato):

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-72-Coupe-Guitar-Combo-Amp -?sku=480793

There is video and audio of both of the Coupe amps within this review if anyone is interested:

http://www.guitarworld.com/article/kustom_amps_36_coupe_and_72_coupe_combos

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  posted on 3/3/2011 at 10:36 AM
the link at musicians friend didn't mention the reverb.

I guess that makes it even more like the Hot Rod.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2011 at 07:08 PM
the lack of a effects loop with the Kustom 50 would be a problem for me. I use a lot of post pre-amp effects.

 

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the link at musicians friend didn't mention the reverb.

I guess that makes it even more like the Hot Rod.




From the Musician's Friend link:

"The Defender also provides luscious spring Reverb with its own Tone control: a classic Kustom feature from the 1960s. From spacious to cavernous, it's your choice."


 

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Where did you read that there isn't an effects loop?

There is an effects loop. I haven't messed with it yet but from what I understood from the salesman you can either use the effects button on the footswitch to control the reverb or switch the effects loop on and off.

Again from musicians friend link- "effects loop: yes."

There is another 50 watt Kustom Defender amp out there, I believe they call it the Defender 112 that could be easily confused with the Defender V50 but they are different amps. I believe the 112 is being phased out.

Anyways not trying to sell you from your Hot Rod Deluxe, just wanted to point out to other folks that are shopping, that they might want to take the time to check out Kustom's amps. I certainly never would have if the salesman hadn't pointed them out to me, didn't have any knowledge of them. I couldn't be more pleased with my purchase, the more I play it the more I love it, without a doubt the best amp I have ever owned.

Ryan

 
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