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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 06:27 AM
It seems you can listen to rockin horse and no one to run with in so many different versions whether it is from studio and many different live versions which do you prefer?

I personally prefer NOTRW from the 2nd set of the ABB.
Rockin horse-recent ABB version with the new intro.

 
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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 10:28 AM
RH...cant stand the song..
NOTRW - 2nd Set.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 10:59 AM
I really enjoy the "new" versions of both songs.

Neither was a big favorite of mine until they switched them up, now they are two of my favorite tunes to hear the current band play. The Charlotte 10/4/09 show features outstanding versions of both songs in their new arrangements.

 
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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 11:26 AM
No One To Run With jumped like it never did again on the original studio version so that will always be my favorite. But I do love the new coda & solo section Warren wrote for NOTRW recently; so much so that it should be something they should write a new song around.

Rockin Horse is not my favorite ABB song...I'd love to hear the version sung by Gregg & featuring Dickey from 1994! The percussion on the studio ABB version from HTN is excellent though..

But as with NOTRW, I really like the new "Derek section" of Rockin Horse. It's also so dang good that a song needs to be finished around. Oteil's bass line in that section is amazing.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 12:18 PM
I confess I haven't heard the "new" arrangement of RH, but it's not one of my personal favorite songs.

I LOVE the newer arrangement of "No One..." with that extended coda! LOVE it!

 

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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 12:18 PM
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No One To Run With jumped like it never did again on the original studio version so that will always be my favorite.


Agreed. The rhythm section is on fire...

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Rockin Horse is not my favorite ABB song..


Agreed. This tune does nothing for me...

 

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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 12:52 PM
NOTRW -- Studio by far. The outro guitar work is great in the studio version, and a bit is missing on that on the live versoin, IMHO.
 

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  posted on 6/13/2010 at 06:10 PM
Rockin Horse is one of my least favorite songs by the ABB.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 05:15 PM
I like the extended versions they've been playing recently of both songs. I love the line in RH "my guardian angel wears a hardhat".

 

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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 05:34 PM
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I like the extended versions they've been playing recently of both songs. I love the line in RH "my guardian angel wears a hardhat".


"...said the boy with the microphone
else, I wouldn't be standing here today"

Like the song or not, the lyrics are pretty good.

 

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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 06:07 PM
Agreed. The subject matter may be dark, and I guess that's what turns some people off, but I've always felt these are some of Warren's best lyrics.

Part of Warren's whole persona is the dark/heavy style of his music, and I suppose some people just don't like that flavor. I say to them, embrace the dark side

I've noticed a correlation between people on this site who hate this song, and people who don't like Led Zeppelin, probably for the same reasons. Coincidence? You be the judge.

 
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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 06:18 PM
I can never get enough Rocking Horse. NOTRW was as generic a song as could be until they slapped that awesome jam to the end of it.
 

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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 06:22 PM
The ABB has such an extensive catalog, I just don't understand why so many gems go unplayed year after year and they keep playing rh over and over.

[Edited on 6/14/2010 by jimhedderman]

 

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  posted on 6/14/2010 at 08:53 PM
I do not understand how so many fans dislike Rocking Horse so intensely.

Maybe overplayed, maybe a little too much soloing, but to me it's not only a great song (particularly love the part that kicks in for "never could leave it alone..") but ALSO the current lineup sounds right for this song. It's perfect that the question on this thread is RH and NLTRW because it illustrates the point so well: Rocking Horse with the current lineup sounds like Rocking Horse. NTRW with the current line up is fun, but to me, it is a mess compared to the 'original lineup' ('original lineup' how weird is that comment?).

Other than it being overplayed and perhaps a little intense (which, to me, isn't always bad) I don't understand how fans cannot like Rocking Horse and still enjoy the current lineup which on songs like NTRW and other originals from past lineups seem out of their element.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 10:30 AM
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I do not understand how so many fans dislike Rocking Horse so intensely.

Maybe overplayed, maybe a little too much soloing, but to me it's not only a great song (particularly love the part that kicks in for "never could leave it alone..") but ALSO the current lineup sounds right for this song. It's perfect that the question on this thread is RH and NLTRW because it illustrates the point so well: Rocking Horse with the current lineup sounds like Rocking Horse. NTRW with the current line up is fun, but to me, it is a mess compared to the 'original lineup' ('original lineup' how weird is that comment?).

Other than it being overplayed and perhaps a little intense (which, to me, isn't always bad) I don't understand how fans cannot like Rocking Horse and still enjoy the current lineup which on songs like NTRW and other originals from past lineups seem out of their element.


I agree -- songs like RH and Desdemona sound like original tunes from this lineup -- have seldom if ever heard a predictable version of Rocking Horse (8/20/04 Gilford, a monster)

even some of their own original material doesn't always jibe as well with this lineup, as their own HTN oriented stuff -- I'm sure the guys wouldn't care if they never played another note of Statesboro, OWOut, Liz Reed & some of those -- that'd be great, break out Egypt, HCOLLiving & some of their own stuff
someone mentioned Pegasus on another thread -- gosh it's surprising the guys aren't moved to play this one -- a pre-2000 ABB original that it seems like this lineup could Burn To The Ground

[Edited on 6/15/2010 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 10:43 AM
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I do not understand how so many fans dislike Rocking Horse so intensely.

Maybe overplayed, maybe a little too much soloing, but to me it's not only a great song (particularly love the part that kicks in for "never could leave it alone..") but ALSO the current lineup sounds right for this song.


Well said, but I think that last bit sums up the issue. Most (not all, I'm sure) of the people who don't get into Rocking Horse don't really dig the current lineup. But I guess that's another Oprah show.

I love RH. My favorite version that I can think of right now is from JazzFest '07, right after the most rockin Gilded Splinters I've ever heard.

NOTRW, I have to join in on the 2nd Set bandwagon. Gregg seems really alive.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 11:44 AM
Rockin Horse have to agree does not make me tap a foot but NOTRW any version with Jack and Dickey does it for me Jacks slide just does this song justice..

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 11:53 AM
NOTRW: Too lazy to look up the date but it was the Orpheum, Boston, just before the album came out. I was looking for Buddy Holly on stage. Some fine, fine, Dickey & Warren.

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and Bo Diddley....



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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 12:06 PM
i love notrw on all angles ~ simply a top notch song! but to choose i'd say original
rh is a killer tune with great lyrics ~ as much as i love the abb, i really prefer mule playing it ~ a little edgier sound perhaps?

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 12:12 PM
Both tunes have become my favorite current line-up songs to hear live. The new jams they've added are really great. RH always blows up into an incredible jam. They could play them every show and I would be happy.
 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 12:44 PM
Rockin Horse is a Mule song. Should have been left that way, IMO.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 02:45 PM
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Rockin Horse is a Mule song. Should have been left that way, IMO.


That's actually not right... it was originally recorded in '94 for the Where it All Begins album...for some reason it never made the cut and ended up on the first Mule album a couple years later.

I would love to hear the Warren / Dickey Betts version...

 

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Rockin Horse is a Mule song. Should have been left that way, IMO.


That's actually not right... it was originally recorded in '94 for the Where it All Begins album...for some reason it never made the cut and ended up on the first Mule album a couple years later.

I would love to hear the Warren / Dickey Betts version...



Didn't know that - and I would love to hear that version, also. Wonder if Woody used the bass lines he used on the Mule version?

It is still a Mule song to me.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 03:08 PM
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Didn't know that - and I would love to hear that version, also. Wonder if Woody used the bass lines he used on the Mule version?



Don't know...someday I'll hear it...or not...heh

I guess the story goes that Dickey didn't like it - he probably thought it was a Mule song too

 

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  posted on 6/15/2010 at 03:30 PM
has anyone noticed that the coda from NOTRW is the same as the new Coda from the Midnight Rider versions from this year's UP run?

After the song supposedly ends, the coda starts. Derek take a solo on a droning chord (E major in NOTRW and D major in MR) and then they lock up at the climax to lead Warren into a three chord jam.

btw - i love both codas! it's perfect for both guitarists and they both really hit the note of each version. in fact, it was just what MR needed to rejuvenate the song.

 

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