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  posted on 5/29/2010 at 02:53 PM
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  posted on 5/29/2010 at 03:05 PM
No workie for me...must have alot of views presently

 

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  posted on 5/29/2010 at 03:25 PM
I wish there were something in view to give it some sense of scale.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2010 at 05:02 PM
Anyone surprised that according to BP the 'top kill' isn't working?

 

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  posted on 5/30/2010 at 09:52 AM
No surprise there...just like the BP COO..."the oil slick seems to be getting smaller".
What the hell is he looking at? How much more of their blatent lies and ignorance can we take? While our citizens suffer...c'mon obama, do your effen job!!!

 

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I would feel the same way about Obama except I don't have a clue as to what he can do. Bobby Jindal is to blame for what's not being done on the coastlines of his shores. Our friend from Louisiana was here this week and he said Jindal is using this to gain political points......instead of doing anything he's acting like the government is tying his hands. He has an emergency fund at his disposal to go in and take care of those coastlines. I can't think much of a man who'd rather make a run for the presidency than take care of his people like Jindal is doing now.

 

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No surprise there...just like the BP COO..."the oil slick seems to be getting smaller".
What the hell is he looking at? How much more of their blatent lies and ignorance can we take? While our citizens suffer...c'mon obama, do your effen job!!!
What is he gonna do?, dive down like superman and cap the hole with a giant boulder??. aside from telling B.P. officials to "get with it!" what the hell else can he do!. B.P. is the ones showing NO ACCOUNTABILITY, and NO RESPECT for the public, no??.

 

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No surprise there...just like the BP COO..."the oil slick seems to be getting smaller".
What the hell is he looking at? How much more of their blatent lies and ignorance can we take? While our citizens suffer...c'mon obama, do your effen job!!!
What is he gonna do?, dive down like superman and cap the hole with a giant boulder??. aside from telling B.P. officials to "get with it!" what the hell else can he do!. B.P. is the ones showing NO ACCOUNTABILITY, and NO RESPECT for the public, no??.

People want their President to be Superman. There are things he could be doing to show leadership, but he has missed the opportunity now by being aloof for far too long. But from a practical standpoint there is nothing he can do to stop the oil from flowing into the gulf.

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.



Absolutely right, and you're not alone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html?ref=opinion

 

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Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't......I'm going to leave it to history to decide on this one. I'm too ticked at BP to worry about Obama.

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.



Absolutely right, and you're not alone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html?ref=opinion


If Obama did something you would be the first person accusing him of making political hay out of this. You are so partisan I wouldn't be surprised if you listed your nationality as Republican.


The problem with that is people are starting to say the same thing, political hay aside, Right and Left. Chris Matthews, James Carville, David Gergen, Maureen Dowd to name a few - hardly Repulican partisans.....Well, you just won't budge and that's fine. Many on the Left seem to have a problem whenever this President starts getting evaluated.



[Edited on 5/30/2010 by alloak41]

 

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Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't......I'm going to leave it to history to decide on this one. I'm too ticked at BP to worry about Obama.

Rightly so. Obama did not cause this and he cannot fix it. He is only guilty of failing to seize the opportunity to provide some much needed leadership. BP is the real culprit here. BP and some prior government officials who let things slide.

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.



Absolutely right, and you're not alone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html?ref=opinion


If Obama did something you would be the first person accusing him of making political hay out of this. You are so partisan I wouldn't be surprised if you listed your nationality as Republican.


The problem with that is people are starting to say the same thing, political hay aside, Right and Left. Chris Matthews, James Carville, David Gergen, Maureen Dowd to name a few - hardly Repulican partisans.....Well, you just won't budge and that's fine. Many on the Left seem to have a problem whenever this President starts getting evaluated.



[Edited on 5/30/2010 by alloak41]


I repeat, no matter what he did, you would find a problem with it. The bottom line is only the oil companies and drilling companies have the knowledge and technology to fix this and Obama has let them do it without interference. The whole world is watching this and BP will answer to what they did when it is over. In the meantime, the people who have the ability to fix this are at work on it. Or do you think that somehow BP is dragging their feet because they feel no urgency?


BP should have been forced to attack the problem from multiple directions at once. That would hae been strong government. I think they have just been trying the cheapest solutions first

 

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  posted on 5/30/2010 at 06:35 PM
Never mind......it wasn't all about me after all.

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.



Absolutely right, and you're not alone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html?ref=opinion


If Obama did something you would be the first person accusing him of making political hay out of this. You are so partisan I wouldn't be surprised if you listed your nationality as Republican.


The problem with that is people are starting to say the same thing, political hay aside, Right and Left. Chris Matthews, James Carville, David Gergen, Maureen Dowd to name a few - hardly Repulican partisans.....Well, you just won't budge and that's fine. Many on the Left seem to have a problem whenever this President starts getting evaluated.



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I repeat, no matter what he did, you would find a problem with it. The bottom line is only the oil companies and drilling companies have the knowledge and technology to fix this and Obama has let them do it without interference. The whole world is watching this and BP will answer to what they did when it is over. In the meantime, the people who have the ability to fix this are at work on it. Or do you think that somehow BP is dragging their feet because they feel no urgency?


I know Obama can't FIX the leak and have stated it here multiple times. We get that. But as others keep saying, and you're ignoring, is that it's a matter of leadership -- which is a big part of the job. People on both Right and Left have found it lacking. You don't agree and that's cool.. I wouldn't expect you to.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2010 at 07:53 PM
He's been great. All over it like a bloodhound....from
Day One. Any criticism he's gotten over it is unfair. You win.

 

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He's been great. All over it like a bloodhound....from
Day One. Any criticism he's gotten over it is unfair. You win.


What should he have done? Br specific. So far, all I get from you is generalities.



1) Go back to New Orleans to coordinate and oversee the cleanup.

2) No more blaming Bush and Cheney. There were exemptions from regulations
given to BP that happened on his watch. Oversight and inspection were deficient on
his watch.

3) Fire anybody in the EPA or DOE that was watching porn, having sex,
or doing drugs instead of working to prevent this kind of occurence.

4) Remove the needless bureaucratic roadblocks to those coping with the crisis,
or fire the person who's putting them up.

5) Grant permission to Louisiana to take action to block the oil
from reaching the coast, and help them with any financing needed. We
have the money to bail out Greece, so this isn't asking too much.

There's five. I'll come up with some more later.

 

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1) Go back to New Orleans to coordinate and oversee the cleanup.


He's been down there. It isn't his job to oversee thus. If he did, you'd be complaining that he was ignoring the economy/war/unemployment/whatever.
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2) No more blaming Bush and Cheney. There were exemptions from regulations
given to BP that happened on his watch. Oversight and inspection were deficient on
his watch.


Bullshit. The regulations that allowed that well without the needed safety switch were passed long before Obama was president.

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3) Fire anybody in the EPA or DOE that was watching porn, having sex,
or doing drugs instead of working to prevent this kind of occurence.



Fire who? The well was working within the regulations that were set. This would not have happened in the North Sea or almost any other place in the world because of stricter regulations. Hey, aren't you one of those who didn't want government oversight of business? Change your mind?

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4) Remove the needless bureaucratic roadblocks to those coping with the crisis,
or fire the person who's putting them up.


What are you talking about? What bureaucratic roadblocks? Be specific

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5) Grant permission to Louisiana to take action to block the oil
from reaching the coast, and help them with any financing needed. We
have the money to bail out Greece, so this isn't asking too much.


That's already happening. Turn off Fox News.

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There's five. I'll come up with some more later.


I can hardly wait.


I'm not expecting you to agree no matter what I answers I gave. But you asked for my
opinion so I will respond to your objections...

1- I think he needs to get back down there and coordinate cleanup on land
and on the coast. He's an organizer, right? Do some organizing! I won't waste time addressing your hypothetical "what I would be complaining about" scenarios - but he already ignored the economy and jobs, wasting a year on a health care bill nobody wanted...and want even less now!

2- C'mon now, his inspectors were preparing to give this rig a safety award! Enough said on that.

3- Quick change of subject on that one..Nice job! No, I'm not one of the ones that
want no regulations on an endeavor like offshore drilling. Somehow though, regulation
didn't prevent this and who's regulators were those? Bush's?

4- For example, telling BP to stop the dispersant they were using and switch to one that doesn't exist, and they didn't even know it!

5- Well it's about f*cking time!

6- Super

Now you tell me. What would you be doing about all of this? Any ideas?



[Edited on 5/31/2010 by alloak41]

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.


I happen to agree with this and you know what? Sometimes it's enough for people to believe the President "feels their pain." Clinton was great at this. Obama is not. He reminds me of the first President Bush in that regard.

 

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I personally think the job of a president in this situation is to stand up and at least make people feel like something is being done whether it is or not. It's called leadership and I agree that Obama has been too laid back and aloof for too long for him to do any good now. A display of confidence may only be a bandage but it's a necessary one for a hurting nation.



Absolutely right, and you're not alone...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/opinion/30dowd.html?ref=opinion


If Obama did something you would be the first person accusing him of making political hay out of this. You are so partisan I wouldn't be surprised if you listed your nationality as Republican.


The problem with that is people are starting to say the same thing, political hay aside, Right and Left. Chris Matthews, James Carville, David Gergen, Maureen Dowd to name a few - hardly Repulican partisans.....Well, you just won't budge and that's fine. Many on the Left seem to have a problem whenever this President starts getting evaluated.



[Edited on 5/30/2010 by alloak41]


I repeat, no matter what he did, you would find a problem with it. The bottom line is only the oil companies and drilling companies have the knowledge and technology to fix this and Obama has let them do it without interference. The whole world is watching this and BP will answer to what they did when it is over. In the meantime, the people who have the ability to fix this are at work on it. Or do you think that somehow BP is dragging their feet because they feel no urgency?


It appears it is not possible to quickly fix this. I'm sure there are scientific reasons why. It would have been good for Obama to give a statement explaining why this is so and asking for patience instead of making "demands" that cannot be met. I think we all agree BP would very much like to fix the problem.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2010 at 10:13 PM
Unfortunately, from previous similar situations, it's been proven that the 'fixes' they're trying now won't work. The only thing that's been successful has been relief wells that they're only now in the process of digging. In water that deep, those relief wells should have been mandatory accompaniments to the main well just for such events as we're going through now. And the bad part is.....it was all to save money.

 

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Unfortunately, from previous similar situations, it's been proven that the 'fixes' they're trying now won't work. The only thing that's been successful has been relief wells that they're only now in the process of digging. In water that deep, those relief wells should have been mandatory accompaniments to the main well just for such events as we're going through now. And the bad part is.....it was all to save money.




Absolutely agree. But companies will always look to save money. This is where Government regulation comes into play. Regulations should assume disasters will happen and have necessary contingencies in place. This is what is wrong and this is where Obama should be looking to focus his outrage. The American people are sensible enough that if he stepped forward said "These are the things that were wrong that permitted this to happen. These are the reforms we will implement to prevent them from happening again," his popularity would soar.

 

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No surprise there...just like the BP COO..."the oil slick seems to be getting smaller".
What the hell is he looking at? How much more of their blatent lies and ignorance can we take? While our citizens suffer...c'mon obama, do your effen job!!!

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Unfortunately, from previous similar situations, it's been proven that the 'fixes' they're trying now won't work. The only thing that's been successful has been relief wells that they're only now in the process of digging. In water that deep, those relief wells should have been mandatory accompaniments to the main well just for such events as we're going through now. And the bad part is.....it was all to save money.




Absolutely agree. But companies will always look to save money. This is where Government regulation comes into play. Regulations should assume disasters will happen and have necessary contingencies in place. This is what is wrong and this is where Obama should be looking to focus his outrage. The American people are sensible enough that if he stepped forward said "These are the things that were wrong that permitted this to happen. These are the reforms we will implement to prevent them from happening again," his popularity would soar.


I'm sure he will do that after this problem is resolved. There is plenty of time for that later.


I have to disagree. From a rhetorical stand point this is what people are looking for now. What I think he misses is that the people are not looking to him to "solve" every problem but to show "leadership" I will give three examples of what I mean. After the Challenger disaster people didn't know what to think. Reagan gave a moving speech mourning the loss and stating that we would not be deterred from forging ahead. After the Oklahoma City Bombing, Clinton went to the scene and said just the appropriate thing. It may have turned his whole presidency around. And of course, whatever we think of his job performance afterwards, G.W. Bush spoke to the country after Sept. 11 and did a pretty good job of both reassuring the country and focusing people's anger.

The President does not need to direct the cleanup or the repair effort. For all his so-called charisma, I think Obama is more reminiscent of Bush I in this way.

 

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