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  posted on 11/10/2003 at 07:21 PM
I wanted to thank the guys and gals who answered my question about Dickey and the ones who did not get mad as hell for me asking. Hey, If you don't ask how do you find out? Great comment from Sbown, thank you. Remember, there are new people to the site every day so please cut them (and me) some slack for awhile.
I have a new question. If it has been answered please direct me to where I can find the answer and not jump down my throat. Here it is. Is there a reason that the Fillmore East tapes have not been relaesed in there entirity? The band played for 2 nights so there should be 2 nights worth of stuff. Also I have read that the night before ABB played the final show at the Fillmore East was better than the closing night. I have a CD of the closing night, I know all the shows from the final weeks were recorded by Bill Graham for a movie that was never released. So could someone answer those questions?

 
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  posted on 11/10/2003 at 08:44 PM
The Dickey situation raged on these boards for months, there is quite a bit of it here in the anything goes section, probably near the end, and also in the Whipping Post section, probably the Butch section, and the Gregg section, and the Dickey section. In fact, there are few places in the forum not touched by it. There are people who only go to Dickey shows, some who go to Dickey and Gregg and Friends shows, but not ABB shows. Some who support both, and probably some who don't support Dickey, although there aren't that many vocal about it on the boards, if any. It is still a tender situation (I am a master of understatement). Just spend some time here reading, and also checking out Dickey's site and get to know some of the fans there. All you have ever wanted to know about the Dickey situation (again, understatement is a guiding principal of mine) is here. "Regretably", the old board is not part of the 'new' site. There were some harsh words exchanged, I can tell you that.

Pretty sure the band would not sign off on the 'Horn' night being released, although at this late date, unless it is truly dreadful, which is impossible, they ought to release it. I would buy it.

The untaped Fillmore show, the Holy Grail show, well, we are hoping something exists. So far, everyone involved has said there is no recording of it.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2003 at 10:41 PM
I don't know there's any particular reason they haven't been released. They just haven't. I'm sure there would be rights issues for a planned release, though. Who has the tapes? Bill Graham's estate, the band? There'd probably be problems like that.

The band actually played for three nights in March. They played two shows each on the 11th, 12th and 13th. So actually, it should be more like six shows' worth.

Like Goliath said, so far there's no evidence that a tape of the June 26 late show exists. I never heard anything about a movie, but the ABB's performance at the Fillmore East from September 23, 1970 was taped to be used as part of a documentary- could you mean that?

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 12:12 AM
Bill Graham had planned to release a movie of the final days of the Fillmore West. The title was the Fillmore, the Last Days. There is a sorta hard to find CD called the Final Days of the Fillmore. There are 2 or 3 songs from alot of bands. The last days of the Fillmore East were also filmed and recorded. I have ABB CD call Last Sernade. It contains music from EAP and the extended Fillmore East concert. The CD was recored 6/27/71. The sound is just like the FE concerts execpt for one thing. The sound drops out for about 1 sec. at the start of the tunes. If you know much about film production that drop out is where the 'pilot' mark goes so the sound can sync. with the fim in the edit process. There are pictures on the cover fom a different NY show in Central Park or something but not the last show. If you get a book called Live at the Fillmore East you will see Duane was wearing that shirt he worn in the Layla album, the one with the birds on the front, playing the brown sunburst Les Paul. Now there is a guy selling a picture on e bay that says his photo is from the last night but Duane is not wearing that shirt and is playing a red Les Paul. But ABB played for 3 nights during the last week (w/ Albert King). This book also contains a photo of Duane, Mick Fleetwood, Peter Green, Greg and maybe Butch playing with the Gretefull Dead on 2/11/70. It is the only known picture. The is a place that I have been able to get old ABB music but I don't want to say because I think it has got to be pirated. Some sound great others not so good. As an example they Atlanta Pop CD has been there for at least a 2 years that I know of (in various forms) But they had the show with Duane and the others sitting in with the Dead but not anymore. I was told the tapes from the final Fillmore West/East were just stored away and not much ever done with them. Bill Graham's son or ex-wife Bonnie might have control. Know one knows for sure where they are. The FE tapes were digitized then the originals are in the Smithsonian. The FE tapes were acounted for because those shows were planed for an album (FE). But other shows were not, just recorded for what ever reason.
 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 12:21 AM
Hey, I made a mistake........the photo on e bay is from the March 1971 shows, sorry my fault.
 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 02:02 AM
First off, a few things regarding your post on this:

I have heard of the final days of the Fillmore.... I think there is a big jam with Santana & Mike Bloomfield...or something to that effect. But at the Fillmore WEST. The closing days of the Fillmore West, I am pretty sure the ABB did NOT play.

Now, there is a radio broadcast recording of the final night of the FE, from 6/27/71, as you mentioned. Mountain, Beach Boys, & etc. NOT 6/26/71 though. Is the 6/26/71 show the most MISPLACED ABB gig ever for trading circles? We have to realize that it's 99.99999999 percent gibberish if it's ever mentioned that there is a recording of it. Add a couple more 9's. Don't know about any footage stories though, & I certainly have never heard anything relating to it.

Now, the Last Serenade cd you have? It's an EDITED down bootlegg from 6/27/71. This cd is GARBAGE, & a bootlegg. Listen to the WP & YDLM, & you shall find Duane's solos edited down, so the music fits on one disc. I mean, it sounds ridiculous. Duane literally closes out his solos in about a minute. If you want the whole show, just ask for it on the trade section of the forum. There is a great copy floating around among trading circles, thanks to some mad scientist in Yuma, AZ. The Dead show w/ Duane sitting in? Ask for it here, as many people have it. The 4/26/71 Dead gig, as well as the big ol' jam with Peter Green on 2/11/70.

There are several photos from the last gig at the FE of the ABB. Most shots w/ Duane wearing the peacock shirt are from that gig, like you mentioned. There is the Rothschild photo book on her pictures from the Fillmore East. I've seen other black & white shots here & there from 6/27/71. One was used in the Anthology booklet too.

*I was told the tapes from the final Fillmore West/East were just stored away and not much ever done with them. Bill Graham's son or ex-wife Bonnie might have control. Know one knows for sure where they are. The FE tapes were digitized then the originals are in the Smithsonian. The FE tapes were acounted for because those shows were planed for an album (FE). But other shows were not, just recorded for what ever reason.*

You are going all over the place here. What Fillmore West tapes? The final night didn't even have the Allmans as far as I know, & the last time they played at the original FW was.... 1/31/71. THAT tape exists. Again, you can get it HERE. The FE tapes of most of the event circulate .... & you can find it on trading sites. Are you referring to FOOTAGE here?

The only FE tapes of the Allmans at the Smithsonian are the ones used for..... the FE album that I heard of. And the only reference I EVER heard that was from Tom Dowd on the Fillmore Concert liner notes. I am SURE many other shows were recorded of the original line up. But the question: did they survive? Like lots of history, it gets lost. You have to remember that, nobody back then thought Oct. 29th would ever happen.

The mythological 50-60 minute Mountain Jam story is similar in this vein. Last I heard, it was in the hands of the Sandlin family, as it was given to him by Duane Allman! The 12/13/70 show was supposedly in the posession of Mike Callahan, an original roadie. The 9/16/71 show was in the posession of a taper who recorded it with mikes on the Warehouse rafters. This was literally, a little less than 10 years ago that it was rediscovered. Crazy stuff.

I would love to hear some of these crazy stories covered by HTN magazine. Really amazing, 30 years & counting after the fact.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 03:00 AM
Just to follow up on finsky's comments, I heard that Bill Graham intended to do something to mark the closing of the Fillmore East (filming/recording), but he left himself no time to get it set up - the multi-tracks of the ABB's set on 6/27/71 and FM tapes of the other bands on the bill that night (do multi-tracks exist for them too?) are all that we've got.

He threw his energies instead into getting the last week at Fillmore West (which was the venue closest to his heart) properly documented.

On the subject of the closing of the Fillmore's, I read a very interesting piece recently (don't ask me where though!), which stated that the reason Graham shut the Fillmore's was because of an argument with The Band's management over their fee to appear for him - being true his temperamental nature, he decided there & then that that was IT!

So know you know who to blame...

 
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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 02:36 PM
Sorry about jumping all over the place. There is a CD called the Fillmore: the Final Days. That is from the FW. ABB did not play. The Fillmores closed because, so the story goes, the bands priced themselves out of Grahams price range and they wanted to play bigger places for much, much more money. The Fillmores, Avalon Ballroom, The Matrix and Longshoreman's Hall only held about 2,500 people at the most. That is why he got out. As far as the tapes ever getting made into CDs I guess there is always hope.
Thanks for the info about the tapes that I can get from fellow members.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 02:49 PM
What cross streets was FE located at?

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 03:00 PM
Lee, 105 2nd Avenue (at 6th Street)

go to www.fillmore-east.com which is the Fillmore East Preservation Society's webpage. Lots of good info, pictures and memorabilia there.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 03:10 PM
Thanks again pal!

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 04:13 PM
One reason that the other Fillmore tapes have not been released is because they are owned by Universal and there are always legal issues involved to get things like that released. In fact the band recently lost a lawsuit to get tapes owned by them back. Plus it would cost money, because they are on multi-track and would need to be remixed, etc. Secondly, many people have stated that the best of it is released. At least one version of every song has been released, in some cases 2 versions (the recordings of "Trouble No More" are different on EAT A PEACH & FILLMORE CONCERTS, but they're extremely similar). The early shows were short sets that mostly contained shorter songs like "Trouble No More" that don't alter too much from night to night. "Mountain Jam" only got one performance and that is the famous one that is released. I'm sure there are some things WE'D all love to hear and I'm sure we'd buy, but I don't think that the label will see any extreme benefit in releasing it... Also, the confusion about the "lost" Fillmore show: The 6/27/71 show is the one that is on tape, it was multi-tracked in fact and there is a great stereo copy available within trading circles. This is the last Fillmore show, in which tapes exist, they played a shorter set than normal that night. I believe Butch has mentioned they didn't get to do "Mountain Jam" because the Beach Boys played too long. - I think it was the night BEFORE that they didn't record and did play "Mountain Jam" and that is the show many people heard was one of the greatest nights of music ever. So it is likely something will come up. If a recording does come up, it'll probably be an audience recording or some kind of crude thing that one of the road crew made. Who knows, maybe the legacy is greater than a recording would ever be anyway. Sometimes those moments don't transfer so well to tape. I wasn't there, I wouldn't know...
 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 04:17 PM
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Now, the Last Serenade cd you have? It's an EDITED down bootlegg from 6/27/71. This cd is GARBAGE, & a bootlegg. Listen to the WP & YDLM, & you shall find Duane's solos edited down, so the music fits on one disc. I mean, it sounds ridiculous. Duane literally closes out his solos in about a minute. If you want the whole show, just ask for it on the trade section of the forum. There is a great copy floating around among trading circles, thanks to some mad scientist in Yuma, AZ. The Dead show w/ Duane sitting in? Ask for it here, as many people have it. The 4/26/71 Dead gig, as well as the big ol' jam with Peter Green on 2/11/70.


Sorry, I didn't read all this before I posted, you guys are all over this...

I also wanted to state that I have done several trades with people who trade 3/12 or 3/13 early or late shows, and they are all different edits/mixes of the 6/27 tape. It gets confusing once you slap a bad date on it.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2003 at 04:19 PM
Oh yes, one last thing:

You're Welcome (on behalf of the people you were thanking)

And sorry if some of us get defensive here! It's really hard to understand tone when posting on a board like this! There's been a lot of weirdness since June of 2000, so everyone gets edgy from time to time. - And now speaking for myself... I love talking about music, so keep asking questions and we'll keep answering. It's what I live for...

 

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  posted on 11/12/2003 at 07:23 PM
I have gotten some good info from all of you thanks. I have decided to try to find some more of the early stuff, but I can not get it I will be more than happy with what I have.
 

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  posted on 11/13/2003 at 08:46 AM
*I have gotten some good info from all of you thanks. I have decided to try to find some more of the early stuff, but I can not get it *

Where did you try?

I think this site is the EASIEST place to find any early ABB material. I'm sure many others would agree.

 

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