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Brewster
Peach Pro   Posts: 399 (399 all sites) Registered: 12/17/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:25 AM |
What is the best format, or software, for ripping music to my hard drive? I’ve been using iTunes but I’m not sure I’m getting the best copy this way. I’d also like to ensure that I'm providing the best copy whenever I vine. I tried AVS and found it a bit complicated although I need to give it more time. Mediamonkey has also been recommended.
I’m also curious if their are any differences when ripping shows I’m getting from these vines and say a liberated boot. Probably same difference overall.
So essentially I’m trying to ensure that I’m reproducing the best sound from disc received to disc reproduced. And to keep it simple and straightforward!
Muchos Gracias!
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punknseed
Extreme Peach  Karma: Posts: 1266 (1266 all sites) Registered: 6/29/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 5/22/2010 at 06:43 AM |
Here's some guidlines from The traders den that might help.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
I use EAC to rip c.d.'s directly to the hard-drive.
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Exact_Audio_Copy
Hydrogenaudio has a guide to set up EAC
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_Configuration_Wizard
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_configuration
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_Drive_Options
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_Options
I use EAC in secure mode (sometimes I use panic mode) on my Windows box to rip the original cd, then burn a copy with Nero, or Burrrn. then I do a data compare to make sure that the copy is exactly the same as the original. I use Toast Titanium on a MAC to compare data.
I create two folders on the desktop, one I name "original" the other "copy". Then I copy the both c.d.'s contents to their folders, (the format is usually AIFF on a mac,) then use Toasts Compare tool to make sure they are identical.
I've heard that Foobar 2000 has a compare tool of sorts that can do the same thing on Windows, but I've never used it
Good luck.
Hope this helps.
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Brewster
Peach Pro Karma: Posts: 399 (399 all sites) Registered: 12/17/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/7/2010 at 10:17 PM |
Hey punknseed - Sorry for the late "thank-you" but it took me awhile to get through this info and process it. But I've got it all downloaded and sorted it and been using it regularly now. A couple of additional questions if you don't mind:
1. When ripping with EAC, the first track has problems copying every time - something about "suspicious position". So it is taking a lot longer to get it done. I'm always doing a "test and copy" "uncompressed" by the way.
2. Any way to get it to read the track names?
3. Do you tend to save the copies within EAC or elsewhere on your hard drive?
4. Any other helpful tips for EAC?
Also with Nero I'm having trouble getting it to copy the track names to disc.
Again, your help is greatly appreciated!
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punknseed
Extreme Peach Karma: Posts: 1266 (1266 all sites) Registered: 6/29/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 6/12/2010 at 04:40 PM |
Hi, i'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but, I had similar problems, and found a lot of answers at hydrogenaudio, or www.exactaudiocopy. ( And then forgot most of the answers.  )
Did you do the EAC setup guide on Hydrogenaudio? It's really important that you follow those steps.
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_configuration
Did you do the drive setup?
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_Drive_Options
If so, maybe re-installing EAC will help. That worked for me once.
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1. When ripping with EAC, the first track has problems copying every time - something about "suspicious position". So it is taking a lot longer to get it done. I'm always doing a "test and copy" "uncompressed" by the way.
This may help . . .
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Exact_Audio_Copy
Extraction technology . . .
". . . This program is really damn slow in secure mode in comparison with other grabbers, but the program checks every sector over and over to get the correct data with high certainty. If you don't like this feature of EAC and prefer fast copies instead of secure copies, you should use the fast or burst extraction option in the options menu. But of course in fast mode, the program will no longer be able to find read errors. Only if a read error occurs in a sector synchronization area, will a sync error will still be displayed. Fast mode is sector synchronized with 2 blocks of 23 as synchronization blocks. Burst copy is even worse, no synchronization is done, enabling extraction at maximum speed of the drive. No error checking of any kind can be performed. If the stream ever breaks, it will tell the user in the status report by showing up suspicious positions. Of course this is only heuristic; there needn't be any errors on that positions; moreover there could be errors that are not found at all. A new option for selecting the error recovery quality will determine how often these blocks of 16 reads will be done before giving up and working with the results obtained so far. For bad CDs, low error recovery quality will be fastest, but high recover quality should give best results. "
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/support/faq/
"Why should I use Test & Copy? How to read the CRC codes?
"If you don’t like to use the secure modes, and the burst mode does not have error correction, the best possibility to check if an error occured is to copy and test the track. For each read and each track, the appropriate CRC column is filled with the actual CRC code. One CRC code is unique for a set of data. So by comparing the CRC values you could be quite sure that both reads resulted in the same file."
Here's a discussion on suspicious positions.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=52519
"Have a look on the CD if it is dirty. Try to clean it (from the inner ring to the outer bound), perhaps it works better then. If not, try to lower speed or even to extract in burst mode, sometimes this will give better results (but no error reporting though)."
Here's a FAQ's from Exactaudiocopy.
Q: I sometimes get a sync error when I extract a track. The thing is it’s not always with the same disc that I’m burning from BUT it is always in the same spot. Is there an explanation for this?
A: Some Toshiba drives have a firmware bug returning wrong data on special positions of every CD. As the error really occured, you should listen to these suspicious position allways and decide if the error is audible or not.
Q: I am getting Sync and Read errors occasionally, but EAC will still finish ripping, though with some “suspicious” positions. What to do now?
A: Clean the CD carefully and try again. If the errors don’t go away, listen to the suspicious positions and decide whether they are audible or not. You could also try to rip these tracks in burst mode, sometimes the reader could get better results on these bad sectors.
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2. Any way to get it to read the track names?"
"Under Drive Options, on the Offset/Speed tab, make sure you have CD-Text Read capable drive checked
Hopefully the drive will be able to read CD-text.
Also,
"Database > Get CD Information From > CD-TEXT"
I always just rename the files in my folder and again in Nero. Kind of a PITA tho.
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3. Do you tend to save the copies within EAC or elsewhere on your hard drive?
I create a folder on my hard drive and save the Wavs there until I burn them to cd. Then I use Traders Little Helper to create FLAC files and store them on a DVD or external HD.
Hope this helped.
[Edited on 6/12/2010 by punknseed]
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spacemonkey
True Peach   Karma: Posts: 14230 (14230 all sites) Registered: 9/7/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/28/2010 at 11:47 PM |
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What is the best format, or software, for ripping music to my hard drive? I’ve been using iTunes but I’m not sure I’m getting the best copy this way.
Muchos Gracias!
itunes is OK if you use apple loss less encoding. The default is a lossy compression. you need to change
the encoding format to apple loss less in the preferences. Or You can keep them as .wav or .aiff files but
that takes more space.
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punknseed
Extreme Peach Karma: Posts: 1266 (1266 all sites) Registered: 6/29/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/29/2010 at 10:51 PM |
Hey John, will Thetradersden let you trade audio ripped with iTunes? Last I knew they wouldn't.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio
Audio Seeding and Trading
How do I extract audio data from an audio CD?
In order to make a seed, it is important to extract the audio data contained on an audio CD to a data format. This is not as simple as it sounds, and many programs may create errors which alter or ruin the audio quality (most noticable as clicks or skips in the resultant audio file). Programs like MusicMatch, older versions of iTunes, Microsoft Media Player and most other CD ripping software programs are unsuitable for creating perfect digital audio rips. If you are ripping to audio data file from audio CD, you MUST use one of the following programs and indicate which was used in the text file for your seed. This is NOT NEGOTIABLE!
EAC using secure mode
XLD (Mac)
cdparanoia (Linux)
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
6. If you rip an audio CD to lossless files, you must use an error correcting ripper.
Right now, the only programs permitted for ripping are Exact Audio Copy (EAC), xACT, cdparanoia and PlexTools DAE. This is to ensure that the audio content of the lossless files perfectly matches that of your audio CD, and is not negotiable. Use one of these verifiable ripping programs or your seed will not be permitted.
We understand that some people may have older rips where the result logs may not have been included. In this case, please give your files a close listen to ensure that they are error-free before seeding. All new rips should contain result logs.
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spacemonkey
True Peach Karma: Posts: 14230 (14230 all sites) Registered: 9/7/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/22/2010 at 11:22 PM |
I think the objection to itunes is the default is a lossy format. newbies might miss that.
apple lossless is just as good as flac. or any other lossless format.
stuff I trade I use Toast and Flac. or just keep it aiff, if I am burning something for someone.
Toast has EAC, and newer versions of Itunes does as well.
stuff I rip for iPods and my digital library is done with itunes using EAC and apple lossless.
My phone and It's music player doesn't work with Macs, I use winamp with CD quality WMA format
on a widoze 7 box .
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Rob_in_NC
Extreme Peach  Karma: Posts: 1188 (1209 all sites) Registered: 8/31/2002 Status: Offline
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 posted on 8/23/2010 at 01:37 PM |
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Toast has EAC, and newer versions of Itunes does as well.
stuff I rip for iPods and my digital library is done with itunes using EAC and apple lossless.
I'm curious, what do you mean when you say "iTunes has EAC" ? Do you mean it does the same process, eac, under a different name? (there is AAC but that's not what you're talking about is it?)
... just realized that I have XLD in my Apps - but have never used it - gonna give it a try---the last time I burned CDs from iTunes I got "coasters" for some reason I haven't figured out. (oh, maybe that's just a ripping app, not sure yet)
.... or get a free version of Toast, if that's possible. That's the one I prefer, but don't have it on this machine. ____________________
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punknseed
Extreme Peach Karma: Posts: 1266 (1266 all sites) Registered: 6/29/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 8/30/2010 at 05:16 PM |
So, am I being too fussy when I copy cd's for trade? I check to make sure that the copy's data is identical to the original. I can't even come close with Toast or iTunes, I always get a data mismatch. EAC in secure mode with my ancient Lite-On optical drive is the only way I can get a copy that is a perfect match to the original, according to "Toast Compare".
Am I being to fussy? Do I really need to compare data? I haven't been trading much, partly, because of it, I always thought you had to make an exact copy to trade.
Thanks in advance guys.
Mark
[Edited on 8/30/2010 by punknseed]
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spacemonkey
True Peach Karma: Posts: 14230 (14230 all sites) Registered: 9/7/2005 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/2/2010 at 05:57 PM |
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Toast has EAC, and newer versions of Itunes does as well.
stuff I rip for iPods and my digital library is done with itunes using EAC and apple lossless.
I'm curious, what do you mean when you say "iTunes has EAC" ? Do you mean it does the same process, eac, under a different name? (there is AAC but that's not what you're talking about is it?)
aac is a format, not a process.
EAC is used in itunes
Menus> iTunes>Preferences>General>Import settings
This is where the default setting is for the AAC encoder(lossy), change to apple lossless encoder
(or aiff, or wav for uncompressed copies, or MP3 which is the other choice of lossy encoder)
Then check the box for "use error correcting with reading CDs", that's the EAC process.
That should ensure an error free and lossless copy.
Toast has always been the standard for burning CDs (and also DVDs) on a Mac.
I have always found it is worth the cost of upgrading. I've had it since the original version.
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Rob_in_NC
Extreme Peach Karma: Posts: 1188 (1209 all sites) Registered: 8/31/2002 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/2/2010 at 07:27 PM |
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Then check the box for "use error correcting with reading CDs", that's the EAC process.
That should ensure an error free and lossless copy.
Thanks! I always check that box-- I didn't know it was the same as EAC. Cool.
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