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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 12:07 PM
After IP's "From the Cradle thread" and the discussions that came out it not pertaining to that particular album, I thought it might be nice to have a lengthy thread on the pros and cons (of hitchhiking - no) or
Monsieur Clapton.

I use to be a major Clapton head. So, I have been revisiting the 70's albums based on the above.
I will say, he is a major force/inspiration/contributor to the rock guitar god-dom. His 60's work from the Yarbirds, Bluesbreakers, Cream and Blind faith to Delaney and Bonnie and Friends (incl his debut solo album) cannot be ignored.

Les Paul/Marshall combo? God!

Hell even Hendrix's one demand in going with Chandler to England was meeting and playing Clapton.
He reigned over the polls as greatest guitarist even besting Hendrix. Only to be dethroned by an Irish pug,
Rory Gallagher (but his is another story).

So after the 60's he got his "act" together with Derek & the Dominoes but it wasn't fully realized until one
Duane Allman roundly gave him a good kick in the ass and helped give the world the masterpiece "Layla ..."

Then heroin took over. After kicking it we arrive it "461 Ocean Blvd"

Excellent comeback album but a hugely drunken affair on the tour front. Prior to recording (IMO a scattershot affair of an album) "There's One in Every Crowd" he issued the 'Knockin on Heavens Door' single backed with 'Someone Like You' - anyone have any info on this? Seems to be one of the one off singles he didn't really do after. Just curious.

As mentioned in the other thread, "There's ..." exhibited more of a JJ Cale flavor which became the trend the rest of the decade.

"(no reason to cry)" is really a superstar jam session with EC and his band with ... the Band, Dylan, Ronnie Wood and Jesse Ed Davis. As Clapton would later say, "it was a party album". Overall it wasn't exactly solid but had some REALLY good songs on it.

Afterwards, came the Strat album ... "Slowhand". Arguably his best from the late 70's (not to mention my personal favorite). With hits he still plays to this day.

Followed up with the somewhat lackluster "Backless" obvious drugs and alcohol were taking a major hold, not to mention he jettisoned the band after the tour.

"Just One Night" was a very good live album with Al Lee kicking some ass on guitar. But Clapton was channeling JJ big time at this point. His English band was rather unremarkable.

"Another Ticket" finished out his English band days and alcohol helped bring his tour to a halt aggravating ulcers.

"Money and Cigarettes" had an all star band but really (IMO) failed to live up to any expectations. To me it was another lame affair.

"Behind the Sun" saw him start to embrace the 80's and the Production methods of the time. Bowing to record com pressure, he recorded more "hits" later on to make it more poppish. 'Forever Man' I really can't complain about. It was a good song.

Then the alcohol relapse and "August" 80's at it's worst. But who wasn't producing this type of schlock back then? But he doing it on purpose. Some good hits, but overall, a product of it's time.

"Journeyman" saw a somewhat return to form. EC plays the guitar more, even though the compressed signature Strat sound really finds it's footing here. But is did have some wonderful moments after the somewhat awful "August".

"24 Nights" was a pretty solid live album. Wish it was 3 or 4 discs instead. EC playing in multiple settings showing he could still roar on the guitar.

Tragedy strikes, young Conor, his 4 yr old son dies. He retreats and writes some personal songs that debut on the "Rush" soundtrack (with a menacing Gregg Allman in the film). Not the first time EC detours towards film soundtracks as he did stuff on the Lethal Weapon soundtracks and a British TV series.

"Unplugged" follows and boy does EC and his band shine. Thanks to Chuck Leavell with some really nice keyboards. .

"From the Cradle" return to the blues. Wasn't Mayall's Bluesbreakers playing, but damn good return to form with a wonderful resulting tour.

his 'Change the World' single aimed for a late 90's R&B sound that was dominating the charts at the time.
Not exactly cringe worthy but not great either.

"Pilgrim" EC goes soft rock. Although I like Curtis Mayfield I don't think this album is the stinker many slam it for. I think the Curtis influence is pretty identifiable, but not a full album by EC. I think this was the tour where he also started using the gold plated strat. Amex was involved. It all smelled of top dollar to me.

I think at this point Roger Forrester was fired and EC started making albums the way he wanted to. Although "Reptile" was the beginning of me jumping off the EC band wagon. the "One More Car..." extremely dull live album sealed it for me.

Didn't bother with his next studio album. Although the Robert Johnson albums were good, it was ultimately EC playing Johnson songs EC style typical of this time period.

The JJ Cale album made sense, but EC was best left in the background.

The reunions and tours since then, show EC getting fired up again with his guitar playing but he is clearly winding down now.

After all that, watching him play with the ABB last year on 'Dreams' 'Stormy Monday' and "Liz Reed' still brings chills.

My over simplified opinions.

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 12:17 PM
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pros and cons (of hitchhiking - no)


Love that album by the way.

I also love EC. I know people around here sometimes like to bash him, but I donít really see how you can. I had the pleasure of catching him last year at the Beacon on 3/19 and I completely enjoyed myself. I actually think there is nothing more I would rather see than a tour with EC and the ABB. The ABB could be his band, or would it be that EC could be one of their guitarists? ABB with 3 guitars, I could handle that.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 12:30 PM
Eric is the MAN period. Lonoman while making some pertient comments on some of Clapton's work, missed a few namely the "Riding With The King" CD. B.B.'s first #1 I suppose "pop" record all of it due to Clapton's name. "For The Cradle" debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts, a first for a blues album. There is hardly anything left that EC hasn't done, tried, pioneered, or championed throughout his carreer. The Derek Trucks version of the EC band has to have been a huge highlight and carreer. Lonny you didn't mention Blid Faith ... arrgh ... there isn't enough time ... remember Duane was in Clapton's band not the other way around.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 12:32 PM
I enjoy E.C.'s music, always have.... Never been overly impressed with his live playing though. Maybe it's because I never had the chance to see/hear him in his younger years... I really do wish his play-list would become a little more selfish.....quit playing what everyone else (his hits) wants to hear Eric!....

As a guitar player I also think that Eric is a rare animal. His style evolved when no one else was playing as fast or as aggressively as he was....But, time has passed him by...no longer the "Fastest gun in town"....his playing quickly peaked and he never seemed to push himself to stay on top....Now a fine performer/songwriter he appears to have found his comfort zone...very cool.

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 12:35 PM
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Eric is the MAN period. Lonoman while making some pertient comments on some of Clapton's work, missed a few namely the "Riding With The King" CD. B.B.'s first #1 I suppose "pop" record all of it due to Clapton's name. "For The Cradle" debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts, a first for a blues album. There is hardly anything left that EC hasn't done, tried, pioneered, or championed throughout his carreer. The Derek Trucks version of the EC band has to have been a huge highlight and carreer. Lonny you didn't mention Blid Faith ... arrgh ... there isn't enough time ... remember Duane was in Clapton's band not the other way around.


I mentioned "Blind" Faith if that helps?



You're right. Missed the BB King album. Doyle Bramhall Jr influence starts to take hold.




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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 01:16 PM
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Eric is the MAN period.
This pretty much sums up my feelings about Eric Clapton. My first real introduction to him was Yardbirds and For Your Love then I was lucky to see Cream in 1968 and I have been a fan since. IMO Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs is one of the great albums of all time.
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I had the pleasure of catching him last year at the Beacon on 3/19 and I completely enjoyed myself
Me, too. When they started into Little Wing (which was stellar, by the way) my sis and I turned to look at each other at the same time, our mouths dropped. It knocked me out... brought tears to my eyes.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 01:21 PM
I never had the urge to see EC live until Derek toured with him. I had too many misconceptions about his "pop" stuff. Since then I have also seen him twice with Winwood and with the ABB, some of the best shows I have ever seen. I have also downloaded a bunch of his live shows and now regret not having fully re-discovered him earlier.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 01:22 PM
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Me, too. When they started into Little Wing (which was stellar, by the way) my sis and I turned to look at each other at the same time, our mouths dropped. It knocked me out... brought tears to my eyes.


I had a similar reaction. I was reading in RS, I think it was, that Little Wing was pretty much an after thought for those shows. Apparently, EC after rehearsing some of the other tunes asked one of the ABB, maybe Gregg, if they wanted to do Little Wing together and of course everyone was on board.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 01:25 PM
Well, he's never been my favorite anything, really, but I certainly appreciate him.

When I really feel like hearing some Clapton, usually I'll dig out the traded two-night set of what would become the live D & D album.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 01:57 PM
I wouldn't be playing guitar today if I hadn't heard Clapton w Mayall back in '66...that convinced me to swap my long-loathed piano lessons for a guitar at age 10...but, didn't actually start playing until age 11 due to my obsession at the time with baseball. Since I'm still playing guitar and obviously not baseball, my ability to understand the concepts of a guitar neck & barre chords was greater than my aptitude to differentiate the rotation of a baseball between a fastball & a curveball.

And, through the years, with Clapton touching on so many different genres of music, only expanded my own appreciation of said genres as well as discovering other guitarists & artists who were more well-versed in those genres.

Clapton has always been #1 with me for sentimental reasons.


 
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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 02:06 PM
Eric Clapton was my musical hero growing up.

At a time when I was listening to people like New Kids on the Block, MC Hammer, and Vanilla Ice, my dad got the Unplugged album for himself, I heard it, and loved it. Bought "Timepieces" (a kind of crappy greatest hits album) a few months later, and the rest is history. I delved into the blues, into classic rock, and basically it was from listening to Clapton that I like the music I like now.

Clapton is the reason I started playing guitar (and Derek is the reason I picked it up again after about a 10-year hiatus. Saw Derek for the first time in concert in NJ a few years ago, and was so moved I literally started crying just a few minutes into the first song. I was kind of embarrassed. My girlfriend noticed it, and thought it was "cute". Either way, I was like "I really need to start playing again. If music moves me this much, there's no reason I can't find time in my day to make some of my own.")

He's had down albums, in fact some that I can't even stand to listen to. But, so be it. I love his playing, I love all the different iterations of Clapton the musician . . . there's one for everry mood.

And, for crying out loud, he made what I think is the greatest freaking album of all time, of any genre, with the Layla album. It's simply a masterpiece.

I could go on for 1,000 pages about my appreciation for Clapton, but I obviously won't

But, I will say one more thing. I firmly believe that Eric Clapton is the reason that I've never even tried drugs in my life. I read a biography of his in my early teens, just as I was really getting into his music, and I can still remember my reaction when I read about the depths of his heroin addiction. That was really my first introduction to drugs -- good or bad. So, for me, there never was any "glamor" or "party" side to drugs. Just the fear of god of going through what I read EC went through. I'm not a risk averse person at all, and love to party, and have a pretty addictive personality. I am damn sure I would've at least dabbled in drugs if not for my first knowledge of drugs being scared sh*tless of turning into EC. So, in a roundabout, quite indirect way, I've got some apreciation for EC from that too.

But man, his playing just MOVES me.

His solo on Presence of the Lord from the D&D Fillmore album, is to me, the best electric guitar solo I've ever heard. Just beautiful.

Oh, and his take on Don't Think Twice It's Alright, from the Dylan show, is simply INCENDIARY. I was in college when I heard it, and at the time thought that Eric had either lost it, or wasn't interested in playing anymore. That song showed me that I was wrong. His playing was EPIC. His solos are awesome, but what really gets me on that ture are the fills he plays during the verse, perfect and tasty.

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 02:46 PM
Not only does EC play some truly scorching guitar on "Don't Think Twice" from the BobDylanFest, he SINGS the heck out of it! Wow!

That song is what the "From the Cradle" tour show that I saw was like. With each song, Clapton would get a little more into it and play with more gusto and really belt out the words, and the crowd was feeding it back to him, and thus he would give the next song a little more, and the crowd would give HIM more, so HE would get hotter, and....it was one of those peak audience/ performer interaction/ synergy shows. I felt that feeling at a few Grateful Dead shows, but Clapton at MSG in 1994 was the most I have ever felt such a thing.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 02:46 PM
I've been an Eric Clapton fan since the early '90s. His music (especially Layla) inspired me to start playing guitar. I've seen him a bunch of times in concert (including 4 times w/Derek) and next month I'm going to the Crossroads Festival

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:03 PM
I am a Big EC fan, have all the recordings issued. Some import compilations also.

The first EC record I got was a "At His Best" (on Polydor) 2 LPs
comprised of stuff from Layla, Blind Faith and his first Solo Record.
At the same Time I got "The Story of Cream "
(2 Lps- german pressing) This was about 72-73

Played the Heck out of those 4 discs and really became a huge fan of EC.
Duane's Playing on Layla led me to the ABB, that and hearing Filmore East
at one of those Basement Circles (like on That 70s Show) in the mid 70s

The fire on the Cream session remains my favorite stuff from EC.
Following his solo career I Mostly agree with Lono ,(except I really dig "There's One in Every Crowd")
won't repeat that rant here.

"EC was Here" is my favorite of the Live Albums. I really dig the version of "Presence of the Lord"on it.
The jam on "Key to the Highway" is very good.

I think 'No Reason to Cry" is another very good record. The songs are really strong. Not a bad cut on it.


Slowhand was a big commercial success with Three Hit Singles , but had some filler material that
wasn't as strong as the songs on "No Reason to Cry"

The Booze was showing by now, with many drunken live performances including one where he
laid on the floor and played.
And it showed on "Backless" even 2 Bob Dylan songs couldn't save it. A disappointment commercially
after the success of "Slowhand"

The 80s were not a good time for EC records, None of them are worth getting off the shelf today.
But as a loyal fan I bought them all hoping for something worthy of his Talent.

He did have some success with a few singles, Rock n Roll Heart.,Forever Man,
His collaboration with Robbie Robertson on "it's in the way that you use it" hit #1 on the singles chart.

For me the best thing from the 80s was "Old Love" from Journeyman, co-written with Robert Cray

Not a lot of good stuff in the 80s.

He broke out of the slump in 92 with MTV Unplugged Project and record. Unplugged was
his biggest success. 10x Platinum. I love this record. "old love" remains one of my favorite
tracks with the amazing Piano solo from Chuck Leavell. That still gives me chills.
One of the great moments in Rock.

going back to his blues roots with "From the Cradle" was a good move and a return to form.
And his best selling studio album since "Slowhand" (both went triple platinum)

Pilgrim didn't do as well, his own stuff wasn't as good as the covers on "From the Cradle"

Riding with the King was a fun record also. The interplay of EC and BB is great.

Reptile is another "Pilgrim" not much in the way of good material.

Then "Me and Mr Johnson" like from the Cradle, is EC back on form covering Robert Johnson.
This is what EC does best. IMO.

"Back Home" is hit and Miss, Mostly forgettable, but I love the cover of George Harrison's
"Love comes to everyone" - one of my favorite songs by George.

I like the JJ Cale collaboration "Road to Escondido" , special for several reasons
Derek Trucks appears and it is also the final recordings with Billy Preston, to whom
the record is dedicated.

Lately I have been watching the EC/Winwood live from the Garden DVD. This is a wonderful project
on of my favorite DVDS. A great Idea having EC pick out the Winwood songs and vice versa.
An incredible performance all arround.


good idea Lono. !







 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:12 PM
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his biggest success. 10x Platinum. I love this record. "old love" remains one of my favorite
tracks with the amazing Piano solo from Chuck Leavell. That still gives me chills.
One of the great moments in Rock.


Agree re: That piano solo. I'll say this too, Old Love from 24 Nights is one of my all-time favorite EC songs. Really brings out the pain in that sad song. And, he "hits the note" on that song too. I haven't listened to it in a couple years, so I can't remember where it is in the song. But, as some point, he just plays one, SEARING note, and holds it for a while, and it's perfection. I remember many many nights laying in my room in college, and just listening to that 2d disk from the album over and over and over and over memorizing it note for note, and Old Love would hit me every. single. time.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:16 PM
I've been a Clapton fan since his Mayall day's....I guess i've seen him live more than any other artist....one of the thing's i think is really interesting is how good a singer he's become.His vocal's,IMO,are some of the best....

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:26 PM
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I've been a Clapton fan since his Mayall day's....I guess i've seen him live more than any other artist....one of the thing's i think is really interesting is how good a singer he's become.His vocal's,IMO,are some of the best....


I totally agree

Thank God ., Delaney and Bonnie encouraged him to sing

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:26 PM
No "non-appreciation" yet, awesome.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:30 PM
How can you not appreciate and respect EC. He is soooooo good, end of story.
 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:31 PM
I guess I'm out here in "lone wolf" when it comes to EC's 80s stuff. I liked it then, I still like it. "Tangled In Love", "Tearing Us Apart", the CD bonus track "Grand Illusion", love that stuff....even the track that was bounced from Behind The Sun that ended up as the "Forever Man" B-side, "Too Bad" was great!

While I liked the Unplugged album...it always seemed incomplete to me due to that first MTV airing of the show, they showed more songs that what eventually came out on both the CD & DVD. The tunes "Circus" & "Broken Hearted" eventually showed up on Pilgrim but their omission from the eventual releases of Unplugged has bothered me all these years (I know, "get over it" )


Pilgrim took me a bit to get into, pretty "dark", but then it WAS his first studio album of his own after Conor's death, so was pretty much to be expected. The middle of the album stood out for me..."One Chance", "Circus", "Going Down Slow", "Fall Like Rain" & the Dylan cover, "Born In Time".

And, I thought Reptile was one of his best albums through & through since Layla....I thought it was "filler-less".

I think what gave me more appreciation of the studio albums was hearing the material live on each album's subsequent tour. The Pilgrim tunes seemed to take on a new life in the live setting...as did the tunes from Reptile and even on the much earlier album Journeyman.

I even liked his techno album Retail Therapy, released under his pseudonym "T.D.F.".


I like Back Home as well, but after hearing it, I DO see why he took the left turn and made the Mr Johnson album(s) the priority, even though the blues tunes were initially just the jams in between takes for the Back Home album. Totally agree with spacemonkey regarding his Harrison cover...and also like the Vince Gill cover, "One Day".

In regards to the album & a half of Robert Johnson material, even though I think it was perfect for Clapton to do, his releases came a couple of years after Peter Green had already released two albums of all Robert Johnson tunes...I actually preferred the Peter Green interpretations a bit more than Clapton's.

 
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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 04:35 PM
Loved him in Cream when he was stretching out and finding new hieghts... did not care that much for his work after some was good but never had the power of Cream ..

 

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Another guitar player here who has immense respect for EC's music, his guitar playing, his (terribly underrated) singing and, yes, his song writing. I think most people who disrespect him don't understand and probably don't really appreciate the electric guitar.

I guess I first was exposed to his work with Cream. BTW, their reunion DVD is a must for Clapton fans. He is on his game, as he is on the Tribute to George Harrison. Very focused and into the sets. He is a guy who obviously listened to BB and Freddie King over and over until he could channel every note.

He seems to be in a good place right now and seems to play with people he really likes, when he wants, and plays stuff he wants to play. He has paid his dues and battled his demons. He deserves the peace he has found. And, as all Duane Allman fans know, a happy man can make good music, no?

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 05:47 PM
"E.C. Was Here"

forgot about that. Very Good live album. I think most of it is on the
Crossroads 2 box (another Very cool live set)!

The very first compilation I got by EC was called "Backtrackin"

that was a very nice over view up to the early 80's

 

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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 05:55 PM
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"E.C. Was Here"

forgot about that. Very Good live album. I think most of it is on the
Crossroads 2 box (another Very cool live set)!

The very first compilation I got by EC was called "Backtrackin"

that was a very nice over view up to the early 80's




I always had a little "hometown pride" for EC Was Here since most of it was recorded at the Long Beach Arena (at shows I attended)....and subsequently disc 1 of the Crossroads 2 set, as well.

 
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  posted on 5/14/2010 at 06:14 PM
I'm in the appreciation camp as well. Not all of his stuff of course. I gonna see him again next week! Yeehah. It's a Clapton-Winwood show and i'm really looking forward to it. Love the MSG dvd. Saw him during the Journeyman Tour, The From The Cradle Tour
and a few years ago with Derek Trucks. One of my favorite concerts in recent years.

 

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