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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:46 PM
Presently, I don't use either, but I have used and abused both to a large extent in the past. Annual deaths in America attributed to alcohol are somewhere around 85,000. Annual deaths in America attributed to the use of Marijuana are a whopping 0. That's right, ZERO.

Still, alcohol is the substance of choice by many people of all legal ages. It's legal, and available to anyone over the age of 21, and easily accessible to many people underage as well.

I believe alcohol is the most dangerous substance in society next to tobacco which has an annual death rate in America of somewhere around 435,000.

Prescription drug abuse is another statistic that continues to rise. Annual deaths in America are somewhere around 32,000.

I support the legalization of Marijuana for food, fuel, fiber, and medicine in all 50 states. California is leading the way in the struggle for legalization, and setting a good example of the possibility of realistic Marijuana laws. In November, they will be voting on complete legalization for everyone in the state which will drastically reduce the amount of money wasted on enforcement, and incarceration.

I'm interested to hear thoughts about legalization, as well as Marijuana vs. alcohol.



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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:49 PM
I agree.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:52 PM
Me, too. My son is bi-polar and it's the only "med" that's ever worked very well, and we've tried them all
Just think of the boost to the economy if it became legal.
Another example of our country trying legislate morality.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:58 PM
Its a great tranquilizer, appitite stimulant, and great way to wind down after a stressful day. [natural sleep aid]Wiilie Nelson recommends using a vaporizer to toke gods green gift.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 01:10 PM
Where do we go to vote for you?

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 01:25 PM
Nice thread Mike! Happy 4/20 day!!!!!!

Legalize!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 01:38 PM
MJ is definitly safer...if alchohol and cigaretts are legal...so should skunkweed.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 01:43 PM
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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 02:48 PM
I support legalization

But to think that money will be saved in law enforcement is not absolutely true. There will have to be studies done regarding levels of usuage that are safe in operating of motor vehichles and the enforcement of that. Even though you may not be incarcerated for possesion any longer, you still can be booked and jailed for DUI.

 

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I support legalization

But to think that money will be saved in law enforcement is not absolutely true. There will have to be studies done regarding levels of usuage that are safe in operating of motor vehichles and the enforcement of that. Even though you may not be incarcerated for possesion any longer, you still can be booked and jailed for DUI.


"Law enforcement" money is saved by not having to warehouse (imprison) cannabis users/growers/sellers for long periods (sentences) of time. My own observation is that the cost to imprison is higher than the street value of the bust (typically). I'm not sure what it costs to incarcerate someone, but I'm sure it's $50,000.00 per year or more. If you catch someone with a kilo of skunk (worth maybe $3,000.00?) - It's just not cost effective to put them in prison.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 03:50 PM
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Presently, I don't use either, but I have used and abused both to a large extent in the past. Annual deaths in America attributed to alcohol are somewhere around 85,000. Annual deaths in America attributed to the use of Marijuana are a whopping 0. That's right, ZERO.

Still, alcohol is the substance of choice by many people of all legal ages. It's legal, and available to anyone over the age of 21, and easily accessible to many people underage as well.

I believe alcohol is the most dangerous substance substance in society next to tobacco which has an annual death rate in America of somewhere around 435,000.

Prescription drug abuse is another statistic that continues to rise. Annual deaths in America are somewhere around 32,000.

I support the legalization of Marijuana for food, fuel, fiber, and medicine in all 50 states. California is leading the way in the struggle for legalization, and setting a good example of the possibility of realistic Marijuana laws. In November, they will be voting on complete legalization for everyone in the state which will drastically reduce the amount of money wasted on enforcement, and incarceration.

I'm interested to hear thoughts about legalization, as well as Marijuana vs. alcohol.



I just watched the documentary The Union recently which stated the zero death statistic. I hear the cops are cracking down around here against people by issuing DWS (driving while stoned) citations. If you're going more then 15 miles an hour UNDER the speed limit they'll nail you. A lot of innocent little old ladies are getting caught up in the sting though. Their current strategy is to stake out Dairy Queens and Waffle Houses.
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Presently, I don't use either, but I have used and abused both to a large extent in the past. Annual deaths in America attributed to alcohol are somewhere around 85,000. Annual deaths in America attributed to the use of Marijuana are a whopping 0. That's right, ZERO.

Still, alcohol is the substance of choice by many people of all legal ages. It's legal, and available to anyone over the age of 21, and easily accessible to many people underage as well.

I believe alcohol is the most dangerous substance substance in society next to tobacco which has an annual death rate in America of somewhere around 435,000.

Prescription drug abuse is another statistic that continues to rise. Annual deaths in America are somewhere around 32,000.

I support the legalization of Marijuana for food, fuel, fiber, and medicine in all 50 states. California is leading the way in the struggle for legalization, and setting a good example of the possibility of realistic Marijuana laws. In November, they will be voting on complete legalization for everyone in the state which will drastically reduce the amount of money wasted on enforcement, and incarceration.

I'm interested to hear thoughts about legalization, as well as Marijuana vs. alcohol.




I couldn't agree more. And I don't presently use marijuana or alcohol either.

In my experience, MOST (certainly not all) people who have chosen to use marijuana regularly have had less addiction problems than most people I know's reaction to something as simple as sugar.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 04:51 PM
They go good together!
 

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I'm the sober wet blanket here I guess. Anything in moderation is ok by me, but when infrequent use becomes chronic abuse, MJ and Alcohol are no different than any other drug. When you're using substances to alter your perception of reality in order to make life better, it's time to take a harder look at the root cause of wanting to get away from life's problems.
 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 06:24 PM
All I know is if I get a good buzz on alcohol I want to snort some coke
When I get a good buzz on crippie I want to eat and watch tv or listen to music

So I take the weed over the alcohol 99.9% of the time

 

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Presently, I don't use either, but I have used and abused both to a large extent in the past. Annual deaths in America attributed to alcohol are somewhere around 85,000. Annual deaths in America attributed to the use of Marijuana are a whopping 0. That's right, ZERO.

Still, alcohol is the substance of choice by many people of all legal ages. It's legal, and available to anyone over the age of 21, and easily accessible to many people underage as well.

I believe alcohol is the most dangerous substance in society next to tobacco which has an annual death rate in America of somewhere around 435,000.

Prescription drug abuse is another statistic that continues to rise. Annual deaths in America are somewhere around 32,000.

I support the legalization of Marijuana for food, fuel, fiber, and medicine in all 50 states. California is leading the way in the struggle for legalization, and setting a good example of the possibility of realistic Marijuana laws. In November, they will be voting on complete legalization for everyone in the state which will drastically reduce the amount of money wasted on enforcement, and incarceration.

I'm interested to hear thoughts about legalization, as well as Marijuana vs. alcohol.




....All I'm thinking right now is Bill Hicks. You are Bill Hicks reincarnate! Are you familiar with his material? You should be.

He also argued, along the same lines, about gun control. He compared the US & UK on gun ownership, and concluded (essentially) you're safer in the UK...but a threat to society if you're carrying a soccer ball!

If you are new to Billl Hicks, I can try to point you to some links....but man, your argument is so similar... to a man that's been dead for 16+ years now. Spot-on accurate analysis!

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 06:59 PM
I'm not sure why Marijuana should be illegal as it seems no more dangerous and probably a lot less dangerous when used in moderation than liquor.

 

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I like 'em both but think MJ being illegal is a hypocritical joke and fiscally irresponsible b/c of how many peeps are in jail b/c of MJ.

Alcohol has to cause 1,000s of more deaths each yr.

Legalize MJ all day every day, imo.

 

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I support legalization

But to think that money will be saved in law enforcement is not absolutely true. There will have to be studies done regarding levels of usuage that are safe in operating of motor vehichles and the enforcement of that. Even though you may not be incarcerated for possesion any longer, you still can be booked and jailed for DUI.


"Law enforcement" money is saved by not having to warehouse (imprison) cannabis users/growers/sellers for long periods (sentences) of time. My own observation is that the cost to imprison is higher than the street value of the bust (typically). I'm not sure what it costs to incarcerate someone, but I'm sure it's $50,000.00 per year or more. If you catch someone with a kilo of skunk (worth maybe $3,000.00?) - It's just not cost effective to put them in prison.



Of course money will be saved for not incacerating offenders under current laws. But consider that you are not gonna be scott free to have as much or grow as much as you please. The state is gonna want license fees paid for both possesion and right to sale. Of course that license is for a said amount. Get caught without license and you can still be fined or jailed. They will have to spend money to enforce and regulate whatever guidelines are put into law. For example, training of officers in how to determine if in individual is to high to operate a motor vehicle from smoking marijuana. They will eventually spend more money on regulation and enforcement than they receive from taxation. Also consider that cities and counties are eventually gonna miss the revenue they generate from state subsidies for incarcerating individuals both awaiting trial and those doing county time for misdemeanor ofenses of current marijauna laws. In California, those subsidies are 140 bucks a day. It isn't as cut and dry as it appears on the surface.

The best bet would be to just make it totaly legal and not tax it.

 

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I'm not sure why Marijuana should be illegal as it seems no more dangerous and probably a lot less dangerous when used in moderation than liquor.
It's illegal because of the efforts in the 1930's.....of the alcohol industry!

 

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The bottom line is most sane people would rather deal with a stoned person than a drunk person. I wish everyone could practice moderation all the time but eternal world peace has a better chance of happening.

Cheers to everyone's vices! Enjoy!

 

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The bottom line is most sane people would rather deal with a stoned person than a drunk person. I wish everyone could practice moderation all the time but eternal world peace has a better chance of happening.

Cheers to everyone's vices! Enjoy!


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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 08:28 PM
I almost died from alchohol poisioning as a teenager. I've never heard of someone being found dead with a joint in their mouth.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 08:38 PM
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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 09:05 PM

It's illegal because of the efforts in the 1930's.....of the alcohol industry!


I think it had alot to do with the textile, rubber industries too. There was also a big effort at the time to stem the number of Mexicans coming into America as laborers. There's many reasons why it became illegal but none of which really had anything to do with it being a dangerous drug that was life threatening.

This is what is most ironic to me though. In New Jersey (which is where I live), Marijuana is classified as a schedule 1 drug. That means it has no known medicinal value. It is in the same classification as cocaine, heroin, crystal meth, and every other hard drug.
The ironic thing is that Marijuana was just legalized here for medicinal use, but it's still classified a schedule 1 drug. So how does the law get to play both sides of the coin there? On one hand it's a schedule 1, and has no known medicinal value, and on the other hand, it's legalized for medicinal use by terminally ill patients.

I think the law makers, and the law enforcers have all had more than enough time bullsh*tting the public about this substance, and this issue. They waste millions of dollars chasing down growers, and incarcerating people for simple possession. There are people in all 50 states who are sitting behind bars, and doing long periods of time in prison for nonviolent crimes, most of which are simple possession, and or small time growing for personal use.

The states rake in millions in fines, and they pocket who knows how much in federal funds fighting a drug war that in over 35 years has not come anywhere close to ridding our nation of any drug, much less Marijuana, which is more popular, and available than ever before.

Realistically, police know damned well Marijuana isn't a serious threat in the way of overdose, or severe toxicity. Alcohol is, was, and always will be far more of a danger to those who drink it, and those who have the misfortune of being around anyone drunk behind the wheel.

I do want to make the point that I don't believe that Marijuana is 100% safe.
I think smoking anything is harmful, which is why I encourage eating it, or at least using a vaporizer when smoking it. I think there are responsible ways to enjoy your Marijuana high without endangering yourself, or others. DUI while high on pot should be enforced because it is unsafe, irresponsible, and disrespectful.

We as a people, and a nation are ready for the end of prohibition. The lesson should have been learned back in the 1920's that prohibition only puts money in the hands of organized criminals, which is exactly what has happened with drugs of all kinds.

Please, take a minute to reflect upon those brothers and sisters who are in prison right now for simple possession. Give thanks that it isn't you. It's going to take time, but I think better days are on the horizon for legalization.

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