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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 08:27 PM
If the ABB really want to expand their fan base and make more money, they to need make moogis FREE. That's right FREE. They should figure out a way to sell advertising before, during, and after the sets to make up for lost revenue.

They would more than make-up for lost revenue in selling more soundboards, t-shirts, downloads, and other merchandise. On top of that, they would reach a much larger customer base and incorporate many more new fans into the ABB family.

Right now they are only preaching to the choir and are only going to reach a limited paying audience for Moogis.

While I think moogis is a grate idea, I just think they have gone about the revenue stream the wrong way.

It's just my opinion, but it might be time to rethink the whole pay per view idea and go a different route.

If Moogis was free with ads, they would increase the fan base and the revenue stream. It would not prevent fans from coming to shows or festivals, in fact, it would increase the attendance as more people would want to see them live.

Just imagine if they had broadcast Wanee for free with ads? How many more people would have watched and had been exposed to new acts and the ABB? I just feel they may be selling themselves short on this one and limiting their exposure.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 08:29 PM
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If the ABB really want to expand their fan base and make more money, they to need make moogis FREE.


Headlong into year 41, I'm not quite so sure audience expansion is a primary goal of The Allman Brothers Band.

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 08:32 PM
"Moogis should be FREE !!!"

take it to the WP..

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 08:45 PM
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Headlong into year 41, I'm not quite so sure audience expansion is a primary goal of The Allman Brothers Band.


It seems to me that all I hear Butch talk about is Moogis making money? Of course they don't want to lose money on it. I just thought if they went a different route, they might get many more viewers, expand the base, and still be able to pay the bills. Kind of a win, win so to speak.

Nice to see you to Bhawk

BTW What's the WP?




[Edited on 4/20/2010 by jerryphilbob]

 

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Headlong into year 41, I'm not quite so sure audience expansion is a primary goal of The Allman Brothers Band.


It seems to me that all I hear Butch talk about is Moogis making money? Of course they don't want to lose money on it. I just thought if they went a different route, they might get many more viewers, expand the base, and still be able to pay the bills. Kind of a win, win so to speak.

Nice to see you to Bhawk

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 09:19 PM
It would really depend on how much you could widen your audience and exposure. Coke bought a tent at Wanee, why not an ad on Moogis? I am sure if you could increase the exposure dramatically, you could sell are kinds of ads.

That is really for Butch. I don't know how much he brings in on subs and what he could bring in on ads. It might not be logistically possible. I just know if it was free with ads, his audience would increase ten fold. Of cousre Butch is in the ABB, so he does make money off the t-shirts, posters, soundboards, etc.

it just seems to me if they really want this thing to take off, they are going to have step out of the box and do something different than they are doing now.

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 09:38 PM
I-Clips is doing Mtn Jam for free plus some other fests.

http://iclips.net/watch/couchtour

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 10:19 PM
I really want moogis, I know I'd really enjoy it.

But I just can't afford it.

Even so, if I were them I wouldn't give it away for free.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 10:34 PM
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I really want moogis, I know I'd really enjoy it.

But I just can't afford it.

Even so, if I were them I wouldn't give it away for free.


"them" is Butch!


So what.

Butch is an original member of the ABB.

Personally, I like public personalities who in this day and age aren't afraid to speak their mind honestly.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 10:38 PM
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I really want moogis, I know I'd really enjoy it.

But I just can't afford it.

Even so, if I were them I wouldn't give it away for free.


Actually he isn't saying to give it away for free with no profits. He is looking at it from another business angle and a sound one at that. The more viewers you have the more you can charge for ads. Lots of dollars out there if you sell it right to companies.

I think it would work if free for those dates only and then a membership for continued viewing is another concept. Not everyone would sign up but the more people view than the higher the membership base. How many people after viewing Clapton at the Beacon would not want to see it again?

One internet leak and viewing increases but then you have technical issues that arise but it could be done.

Free or not. The error is in not selling video of all these shows filmed. The cash is being spent to film so you might as well reward your efforts and increase your profits.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2010 at 11:10 PM
Maybe jpb should give away free hot tubs by selling ad space on the sides.....

 

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Butch is an original member of the ABB.

Personally, I like public personalities who in this day and age aren't afraid to speak their mind honestly.


well then Bitch, I mean Butch is not your man. He talks about doing this for the fans. **** . If he was concerned about the fans, it would get better every year by leaps and bounds. It hasn't.






That makes no sense.

First off, because most fans seem to like it.

But you're saying he doesn't care because it doesn't get better by leaps and bounds?

The man can want it all he wants but if the technology and the funds aren't there what can he do?

It's not a perfect world. I guess fans are left with a choice (this is the USA, right?)---buy it or not. Nobody forces you either way.

And why do you seem to have these pent up feelings toward an original ABB member? I thought you didn't like the current line up and only liked the originals.

I'm grateful for Butch and all the originals for starting this whole thing. The music off the ABB has entertained me for about 20 years now.

Wether or not one of them get's mad at another band or can't get moogis as perfect as some would like doesn't matter to me.

Just an opinion,

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 07:37 AM
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Actually he isn't saying to give it away for free with no profits. He is looking at it from another business angle and a sound one at that. The more viewers you have the more you can charge for ads. Lots of dollars out there if you sell it right to companies.


+1

The only way the pay per view concept is going to be really profitable is if you have a HUGE niche audience to draw into it. The ABB doesn't have that kind of audience. Moogis is going have to take this thing to bands like Dave Matthews who have the audience that can draw the big numbers or change their way of getting revenue. Moogis might have to be one time shows with different bands, but I just don't see people continually wanting to do the pay per view thing over and over again. After two years of Moogis and the ABB, I am probably done purchasing it. We won't be getting the line-up that we had during the 40th Anniversary and the novelty is starting to wear off.

If Butch wants this to be profitable, and he does, they are going to have to do something different. That's all I am saying. It is basically the difference between Network TV and Pay per view. They don't run pay per view on events that aren't huge because the revenue just isn't there.

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Maybe jpb should give away free hot tubs by selling ad space on the sides.....


As for ads on Hot tubs ??? There might be limited exposure for that? Maybe if bathing suits were optional it could be done?

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 08:22 AM
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I really want moogis, I know I'd really enjoy it.

But I just can't afford it.

Even so, if I were them I wouldn't give it away for free.


WHAT !

But you said if it's on the internet it should be free

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 08:23 AM
It's very difficult to make money on internet ventures selling advertising. You need to have HUGE viewership to sell ads. Moogis would never come close to covering it's costs in this manner. I have no doubt that the cost is as low as possible at this point.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 09:37 AM
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well then Bitch, I mean Butch is not your man. He talks about doing this for the fans. **** . If he was concerned about the fans, it would get better every year by leaps and bounds. It hasn't.


That's pretty harsh there Jerry. Are you sure you don't want to be on the IHATETHEALLMANBROTHERSBAND.Com site? I don't think Butch had any real expectations of hitting the financial motherlode with Moogis. Perhaps if he builds it up and sells it to a big company he could, but I do believe that this is for the faithful who can't get to the shows. The cost is reasonable for what it is. There is something special about knowing that the show you are watching is happening live, right now. I don't have it, but a friend of mine does, and I've been lucky enough to see two UP shows, and Saturdays Wanee. I sat there with a smile on my face Saturday night for two and a half hours. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. Thanks Butch

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 09:54 AM
Moogis is fine just the way it is and I do not mind forking out the money to subscribe to it.
 

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well then Bitch, I mean Butch is not your man. He talks about doing this for the fans. **** . If he was concerned about the fans, it would get better every year by leaps and bounds. It hasn't.


That's pretty harsh there Jerry. Are you sure you don't want to be on the IHATETHEALLMANBROTHERSBAND.Com site? I don't think Butch had any real expectations of hitting the financial motherlode with Moogis. Perhaps if he builds it up and sells it to a big company he could, but I do believe that this is for the faithful who can't get to the shows. The cost is reasonable for what it is. There is something special about knowing that the show you are watching is happening live, right now. I don't have it, but a friend of mine does, and I've been lucky enough to see two UP shows, and Saturdays Wanee. I sat there with a smile on my face Saturday night for two and a half hours. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. Thanks Butch


So let me get this straight. The guy who always posts anti socialist/wealth sharing messages in the Whipping Post wants Butch to give away for free the product he developed and brought to market and not make any money on it. Too funny.

 

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well then Bitch, I mean Butch is not your man. He talks about doing this for the fans. **** . If he was concerned about the fans, it would get better every year by leaps and bounds. It hasn't.


That's pretty harsh there Jerry. Are you sure you don't want to be on the IHATETHEALLMANBROTHERSBAND.Com site? I don't think Butch had any real expectations of hitting the financial motherlode with Moogis. Perhaps if he builds it up and sells it to a big company he could, but I do believe that this is for the faithful who can't get to the shows. The cost is reasonable for what it is. There is something special about knowing that the show you are watching is happening live, right now. I don't have it, but a friend of mine does, and I've been lucky enough to see two UP shows, and Saturdays Wanee. I sat there with a smile on my face Saturday night for two and a half hours. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. Thanks Butch


So let me get this straight. The guy who always posts anti socialist/wealth sharing messages in the Whipping Post wants Butch to give away for free the product he developed and brought to market and not make any money on it. Too funny.


That's not what he stated. He stated he thinks it should be free to subscribers and revenue should be generated through advertising. I think that is impossible, however.

 

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well then Bitch, I mean Butch is not your man. He talks about doing this for the fans. **** . If he was concerned about the fans, it would get better every year by leaps and bounds. It hasn't.


That's pretty harsh there Jerry. Are you sure you don't want to be on the IHATETHEALLMANBROTHERSBAND.Com site? I don't think Butch had any real expectations of hitting the financial motherlode with Moogis. Perhaps if he builds it up and sells it to a big company he could, but I do believe that this is for the faithful who can't get to the shows. The cost is reasonable for what it is. There is something special about knowing that the show you are watching is happening live, right now. I don't have it, but a friend of mine does, and I've been lucky enough to see two UP shows, and Saturdays Wanee. I sat there with a smile on my face Saturday night for two and a half hours. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. Thanks Butch


So let me get this straight. The guy who always posts anti socialist/wealth sharing messages in the Whipping Post wants Butch to give away for free the product he developed and brought to market and not make any money on it. Too funny.


That's not what he stated. He stated he thinks it should be free to subscribers and revenue should be generated through advertising. I think that is impossible, however.


Touche, I just thought I'd stir things up with innaccurate references like he always does.

[Edited on 4/20/2010 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:08 PM
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I really want moogis, I know I'd really enjoy it.

But I just can't afford it.

Even so, if I were them I wouldn't give it away for free.


WHAT !

But you said if it's on the internet it should be free



Nice try, but that's not what I said.

I said I'd pay for something if it blew me away--if it was something that really stood out (I'm paraphrasing here). You're talking about that thread where you said that people who use sites like google image or hulu were basically like thieves, right? Folks trying to get something for nothing?

I'll admit to using google image, youtube, hulu, limewire, pandora, network TV sites (the networks put all their shows online for free!), and other free sites every single day.

I also read the morning paper for free online.

Moogis to me seems to be something that I would spend money on because it offers a great product that I simply can't get elsewhere. Truth is though that in this case it just costs too much for me. No big deal--we all can't afford everything we want.

That being said I don't think they are charging too much. I'd bet that they're not making much, if anything, at all from moogis.

I wish the band the best of luck with moogis, but I feel that as the ABB slows down and goes into semi-retirement moogis will die out.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 12:53 PM
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That's not what he stated. He stated he thinks it should be free to subscribers and revenue should be generated through advertising. I think that is impossible, however."
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Hmmm, free to subscribers? isn't this a contradiction in terms?

I think satelite TV should be free!!!!!!!!!!!


 

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  posted on 4/20/2010 at 01:12 PM
I think Moogis was a great idea, worth paying for and given some time will be even better. I thank Butch for having the vision. So what if the guys finally start making some money? Nobody works for free, I'm sure they'd all like to retire comfortably and provide for their families, just as we all would. What's with the "should be free" stuff? Groceries aren't free, cars aren't free, why should our entertainment be free?
Stop whining. Sounds to me like you just don't like Butch and don't want him to make any money. I think Butch and all the band members have earned every cent they can get.

 

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I have no problem paying a yearly subscription to Moogis but I don't want to get hit with extra charges every time they are gonna stream something. IMO the original $150.00 we payed to join should have covered all things Moogis for one year. Maybe they bump it up to $200.00 for the year next year but don't then ask me for anything extra. One subscription price should cover everything they show and or stream for the year.

 

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I have no problem paying a yearly subscription to Moogis but I don't want to get hit with extra charges every time they are gonna stream something. IMO the original $150.00 we payed to join should have covered all things Moogis for one year. Maybe they bump it up to $200.00 for the year next year but don't then ask me for anything extra. One subscription price should cover everything they show and or stream for the year.

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While I was sorry they dropped some NY shows, I knew I was paying for them only and $25 for Wanee was dirt cheap. You've got to know they/Butch are not making any money on this yet.

 

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