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  posted on 11/5/2003 at 07:02 PM
I know.......one's a trumpet, the other is a sax, but who do you like better?

I've really gotten into Coltrane(and Miles) recently...I mean HEAVILY into Coltrane!!! I have Derek Trucks(and Duane to an extent) to thank for that. When Derek solos and he gets to the heighth of it, Coltrane comes to mind. The phrasing is so similar, they do that quick, repetitive "thing". I was listening to Mountain Jam off EAP today and during Duane's solo after the drum/bass solo, he does it to. That few minutes after Berry's solo, and into Will the Circle Be Unbroken, has to be Duane's shining moment, maybe his best playing ever.

So who is it Miles or Coltrane? And if you want ,expand on it.....why do you prefer one or the other, what's your favorite album or is it one of the many box sets they have out now, what's your favorite song by them, or favorite group or period by them?

I'm really interested to hear your responses. I'm fascinated with these two greats, and we owe a lot to them. Their playing and improvisational skills were an influence to the original lineup and the current one.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 09:46 PM
come on nobody???



 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 10:19 PM
They are sort of connected "at the hip" these days. Probably b/c after these two, people don't dig in a bit deeper w/ jazz.

Maybe Trane had more "direction"..... like he KNEW what he wanted to do. Doesn't mean it's better though.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 11:21 PM
I love both. I own way more Miles though. That's really a tough call.
 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 11:25 PM
I LOVE TRANE!!! But it has to be Miles. Miles is/was a genius, and Coltrane is only a small part of Miles decades of brilliance. When Miles wrote and scripted tunes, he didn't just create great songs and great albums, often what he was creating was totally new forms of music. The man was truly a visionary. Still to this day long before his time.

I love the bebop era with Miles backing The Bird & Diz! But it's so hard to pick a favorite era, there's Coltrane, Cannonball, Gil Evans, fusion, his foray into the beginnings of funk, and on and on and on. These days I'm really getting into the "Live at the Plugged Nickel" supergroup era with Herbie and Tony Williams. WOW!! Miles just has so much incredible material. A true legend who reinvented himself and his music again and again.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2003 at 11:42 PM
Miles

 

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  posted on 11/8/2003 at 05:46 AM
Not really fair, as I really don't own any 'Trane, but there's something about the fragility of Miles' playing that grabs me - despite the bad-ass muthaf*cka persona that had by the time of his original electric fusion band, there's always a fragility in his playing (there's a wavering, uncertain edge) that speaks of a sensitive soul inside.

The other thing, of course, is how much space & freedom Miles gave the players in his bands - his trumpet is only one of the elements in the sound, free to enter or drop out at will, as & when it was appropriate.

Better get me some 'Trane, I think, to even the balance!

 
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  posted on 11/8/2003 at 09:03 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the "fusion" done by Miles(Bitches Brew) is HIGHLY over-rated? Too over-emphasized. I tend to think he went into that direction b/c he lost his "way" a bit, & he needed a new channel to find that "cool" again. Latter period Miles is a mixed bag.

Coltrane, on the other hand, never strayed from his vision. There is something that is insanely pure about him & his music. Latter period Coltrane is a mixed bag too though, & I really don't "get it."

Probably prefer Trane over Miles... but I also prefer Rahsaan & Dolphy to Trane right now. Trane is more familiar right now, & there are other players that need to be discovered by my end.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2003 at 11:27 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks the "fusion" done by Miles(Bitches Brew) is HIGHLY over-rated? Too over-emphasized. I tend to think he went into that direction b/c he lost his "way" a bit, & he needed a new channel to find that "cool" again. Latter period Miles is a mixed bag.


You are not alone Nick. Miles was such a bandmaster of bringing together musicians in a meld with his earlier bands whereas in the "fusion" stage he kind of let everybody wander and explore places. Cool concept, but I hear to much playing in some of that where you can tell the musicians are doing their own thing and not really listening and playing to each other. Makes the music kind of go off in too many directions for me...

My answer to the original question is Miles & Coltrane together.

 

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  posted on 11/9/2003 at 10:25 AM
Coltrane was and is the Heavyweight Champion of the World!!

 

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  posted on 11/9/2003 at 11:14 AM
Coltrane or Parker?

Diz or Miles?

It is hard enough to compare because of different time periods and styles. Can we at least compare virtuosos of the same instrument?

That said, Miles alledgedly mouthed off to Nancy Reagan at a White House dinner once. I think she was reported to ask him who he was... he said something like "I've redefined music (how ever many) times in my life, who the hell are you?"

I don't know if the story is true, but I'll give Miles the nod anyway.

 

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  posted on 11/9/2003 at 11:21 AM
sure has the feeling of a miles comment.......
and screw those reagan clowns anyway....who they hell were they??
and i sincerely hope it's true..... lmao....

 

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  posted on 11/9/2003 at 12:41 PM
Yea, that Miles comment to Nancy is mentioned in the new biography "So What". It seems to be true, but who knows.


 

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  posted on 11/9/2003 at 08:07 PM
Very good link... they have not given Miles "Special Treatment" yet...

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/coltrane/index.html

 

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Very good link... they have not given Miles "Special Treatment" yet...

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/coltrane/index.html

 

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  posted on 11/10/2003 at 09:36 AM
Miles & Nancy Reagan... it's like an intro to a joke or something. Throw in a rabbi, a priest, a Polish guy, an Italian...

 

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  posted on 11/10/2003 at 10:09 AM
Just ask me which arm I would prefer. Or if I like filet mignon or lobster better....

 

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