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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 01:29 PM
I appreciate Rowland's efforts to "clean up" the forum, and think having a rating system like this can be a good idea. I know it has helped me to curb my tongue, in some instances, and to at least try to keep a more positive vibe going. But it appears to me the system is being abused. There are some people with ratings that are -10 or -20, for no good reason. jim is as cool a poster as there is here, and look at his ratings. annarose's are about to drop through the floor, and she hasn't posted anything at all but good, friendly stuff. Mike is another example, and that's all these are, of someone who has a low rating that baffles me.

Some might say this has turned into a personality contest, but I think it is more than that. I know there are some posters here who post under multiple screen names, and many of them enjoy disrupting these forums. I imagine they are to account for most of the weird negatives, but there are also 10s of thousands of people signed up here who never post anything. They can ll be thumbing people up and down who they agree or disagree with, but never engage in conversation.

Someone over in the Anything Goes mentioned that on the Mule website, you can only give positive karma, but no negative. So the worst you can be is zero, and no one can take away good karma after you get it. That sounds like a good system to use here. What we have now is not working, and I suspect some people are having their feelings hurt, thinking people here don't like them, when I don't think that is the case.

Any thoughts? Rowland?

[Edited on 3/24/2010 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 01:32 PM

Someone over in the Anything Goes mentioned that on the Mule website, you can only give positive karma, but no negative. So the worst you can be is zero, and no one can take away good karma after you get it. That sounds like a good system to use here.
I agree 100%

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 01:46 PM
Don't change the system! Only a few more points and I will earn a 1/4 oz of shrooms!
 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 01:50 PM
I am the one who posted about the Mule Army site. I got that info from biodtl5 who is one of the moderators over there. I think it makes perfect sense but like I have said, I could really care less. I can see that it is bothering some folks though and that's not cool.

 

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I am the one who posted about the Mule Army site. I got that info from biodtl5 who is one of the moderators over there. I think it makes perfect sense but like I have said, I could really care less. I can see that it is bothering some folks though and that's not cool.


That's my point. Some people are being hurt by it, the way it is now. There is no need for that.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:00 PM
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Someone over in the Anything Goes mentioned that on the Mule website, you can only give positive karma, but no negative. So the worst you can be is zero, and no one can take away good karma after you get it. That sounds like a good system to use here.
I agree 100%


If we have to use this instead of moderation, I totally agree.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:03 PM
I prefer monetary or food awards for good behavior. Karma is too intangible to satisfy my need for instant gratification.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:18 PM


I have a thought..... Maybe if you and your friends weren't constantly harassing people, there would have never been any need for any system to be used in the first place.

It just smacks of hypocrisy to hear you of all people make this point when I asked you repeatedly to stop whipping Derek, and you insisted that it was your right to belittle him for fun. You followed him into the whipping post to harass him, then came back here to start a campaign to have him let back here because you were bored without being able to insult and argue with him.

This is why my contention about you is that you really do have a serious problem of some kind. You in particular are one of the people who refused to let up, and your friends like Woodsdweller, backed you up, and affirmed your right to harass people as much as you like. That was you, and that was your motivation. That post still exists here.
Now, you act like you're looking for a solution to a problem. A problem that you helped to create. That just blows my mind!! I can't figure you out Allen. I think it's becoming more and more obvious as to why.

Today, you did the most inappropriate thing by following me into the AG forum, and harassing me in the Sobriety thread over a situation that didn't involve you at all, and didn't take place over there either. That was so out of line, and to tell you the truth, I thought you had much more class than that.

You tried to insult me by saying I wasn't a man because I have a spiritual leader.
You don't like what my threads are about, or how many I post, or the fact that I bump them up, so you feel like you have the right to harass and insult me.

You admit that you've started, and posted under different accounts and usernames.
You know, people on this site aren't stupid. We can see quite clearly what you and your friends are up to. We see the numbers change on anyone who you and your friends don't like or agree with. You think you can manipulate Rowland, and the forums by lying, and scheming. I don't think you should be put in the playpen, or receive low karma points, I think your accounts should be deleted, and you should be banned from this site permanently.

The lies you tell, the hijacking of threads, the harassment, the multiple accounts, the absolute disrespect you display by doing the things like you did today are all worthy of being banned. I don't know why you think you can get away with the things you do, but I want you to know you're not fooling anyone.

I used to think Otie was the worst of the trolls on this site, but Otie is nowhere near as bad as you. He is abusive, and he has harassed members here, but I honestly couldn't picture Otie stooping to the level you did today.

When I first started complaining about this stuff, there were others who I thought were pretty bad. For example, I thought Jerry and Pete were pretty rough on JPB and DFC, but I haven't seen either one of them say one thing in any way that could be considered harassing recently. In fact, most people have given it a rest, including Otie!! Then there's you. You have distinguished yourself as being the type that refuses to stop harassing people. Believe me, I've been keeping an eye out every day, and I know who has said what.

It's really interesting to me that you have made sport of harassing people, but you want to make a big deal about me saying to Ann that she knows alot about the Civil War.
I meant that as a compliment, as well as a tongue in cheek joke. You want to get involved and try to make it out that I did or said something really bad. It seems like you're trying so hard to get some dirt on me. If you just kept to yourself, you'd be much better off.

This is a public forum. Somewhere along the line you manifested this idealistic notion that this forum belongs to you and your friends based on how long you've been a member. I'm sorry to inform you that public forums don't work that way.
Every member has the right to post as many threads as they want, as long as they're not writing something malicious, or hateful.

My Buddhist threads are numerous, and I do bump them up often, but that in no way prevents anyone from using the forum, or posting as they wish.
I think my point about you has been proven. Today is a good example of what a SCB meltdown looks like. I think it's almost laughable that you of all people have suggestions about the karma system. Please, do us all a favor and just mind your own business, and keep your harassing, trolling, scheming ways to yourself. I think that alone would be a major contribution to the entire site, not just the Whipping Post.

Peace and happiness to you,
Mike

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:43 PM


Yeah, stay away from mirrors Otie. Isn't this where you start crying about your wife??

"He insulted my wife"!!! No, I said you and your wife aren't doctors, or experts on pulmonary diagnostics. You turn that into me insulting your wife. You're one of these people who creates multiple accounts, and takes part in manipulating the system here, as well as Allen, and you both act like you're innocent. People here know what you both are up to. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know you think you're really slick, but it's very obvious to everyone who brings people's numbers down. I know as a fact I'm not the only one to accuse you of that. Right?

This whole forum would be so much more mellow and peaceful if you and Allen weren't here. You two are a big part of the problem. How many times did you write things about Derek's mother? How many times did you attack people for one reason or another? Then you complain about me. I NEVER attacked anyone who didn't come at me first. NEVER!! If you think otherwise, name the person, and show the thread.

I can easily show your attacks on several people. You're synonymous with attacks, and harassments on people. Most people just let you win because they can't be bothered, I wasn't gonna let you harass me, and I never will, that goes for Allen too.

Both of you need serious help. You've admitted to me that you're in bad health with Diabetes. I assume you're very angry inside, and this is your outlet for your anger.
I can only suggest to you that you treat others as you'd like to be treated.
You can say whatever you want about me, but I go out of my way to be kind, considerate, helpful, supportive, and generous to people on this site, whether I know them personally or not.

I wish you peace and happiness Otie. I know you're not well. I know you have alot of problems, so deep down, I do have pity on you, and I do forgive your trespasses.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:54 PM

I have problems. That's rich coming from a guy who stayed up all night trying to take over a forum. Mike, virtually the entire community is telling you that you are out of line. When will you accept it? Probably never. People who throw tantrums are not good at self-awareness.



Nobody would know better than you Otie. I think you're about the last person who should be talking about self awareness. The entire community isn't telling me anything. Just you, and your troll friends. Why don't you use your multiple accounts to harass me Otie??
Do you just use them to mess with the points??

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:56 PM
So ... anyone who disagrees with your Troll like behavior is a Troll

wow

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 02:59 PM

Are you denying that you have multiple accounts Otie???
Please, don't even try to deny that fact. You've had multiple accounts for years.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:04 PM
I'm still waiting to hear who my other names are, too.

This should be interesting.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:10 PM

No Otie. I've been on this site since '02 or '03. I just never started an account until last year. I never used this site for much more than set lists and poking around.

You cannot deny that you have started several accounts over the years. More than ten.
Let me hear you name them all for everyone. Go!!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:10 PM
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I'm still waiting to hear who my other names are, too.

This should be interesting.


SantaCruzBlows?

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:13 PM
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I'm still waiting to hear who my other names are, too.

This should be interesting.


SantaCruzBlows?


That sounds fitting!!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:14 PM
SantaCruisingSchools?

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:16 PM


LOL!! Maybe SantaCruzerluzer????

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:28 PM


Hmmm.... I guess Otie had to catch a bus. Maybe he's just logged in under one of his assumed identities.

That's OK Otie. You weren't fooling anyone anyway!!!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:32 PM
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LOL!! Maybe SantaCruzerluzer????


I wonder what your leader would think.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:45 PM
Why would anyone here want to have more than one user name???


 

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Wow! ^^^^^^^^ What a load of self-serving crap. Mike, you are guilty of everything you accuse others of doing. I think that's what many people have tried to tell you and you refuse to accept. Your hypocrisy is stunning.


Nail hit firmly on the head.

 

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I am the one who posted about the Mule Army site. I got that info from biodtl5 who is one of the moderators over there. I think it makes perfect sense but like I have said, I could really care less. I can see that it is bothering some folks though and that's not cool.


Get rid of the Islanders pic. and you're karma will get better.


Heh heh.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2010 at 03:55 PM


let's see some photos..... photodude. Got any?? Or is that just a bogus name you came up with on the fly?? Bogus trolls make me laugh!!!

 

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let's see some photos..... photodude. Got any?? Or is that just a bogus name you came up with on the fly?? Bogus trolls make me laugh!!!


Touche.

 

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