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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 06:08 AM
Charlie O posted this in his thread about the vibe not being the same:

"Moogis was the answer this run...great music (Derek has raised the bar again) and my own reserved parking space, private bathroom with no lines, cold cheap big beers and shots of good whiskey (and the only one spilling drinks on me is ME!!)... and two minutes after the PA plays Little Martha I'm passed out on the sofa or on my way to bed... all that toll, gas, parking and beer money safely tucked back inside my wallet!"

This is a great summary of why this year, maybe some people stayed home for some shows, or, altogether. I wonder how much Moogis is cannibalizing the actual show?

In addition to the economy, I see two other factors, familiarity - going to multiple shows every year lessens the impact and a 40th anniversary hangover. Having been at the 2nd Clapton show, and the following night, I know whatever I see this Friday night is going to be great, but in context, not historic.

In some sense, I think the band has become a victim of its own success - to its new outlet Moogis, and its past greatness.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 06:29 AM
For me, Moogis gets me that much more pumped up about getting to the show. I believe the primary reason for the decrease in ticket sales is the combination of the hike in the price of the tickets and the downturn of the economy, and is exactly why I only attended one show this year.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 07:30 AM
I had this exact discussion with a friend at the UP on Tuesday night, and I disagree on the principle that Moogis would hurt ticket sales. Don't get me wrong but Moogis is awesome, but no substitute for attending a show.

During a normal 3 week run I've attended approx. 5 shows a year, last year I made it to 10 for obvious reasons. This year I'll make 4.

The culprit this year are ticket prices and the economy. Now I love The Beacon, or at least the pre-Dolan Beacon, but it is "The Run" that makes this special. Anyone who claims that the UP or the neighborhood is the issue is just plain silly. The ABB could hold their run in a sewage plant and it would still be special. I know people that are obsessive fans of other bands that are in awe of what we have come to take for granted.

Moogis, at least at this point, is no replacement for going to a show, but it sure takes the sting out of not going to every night!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 07:34 AM
I agree with both points, but at the end of the day there is nothing like being there. Heading out in the morning tomorrow for the Friday show and will be watching Moogis tonight and Sat. The venue and the ticket prices have a lot to do with the attendence this year. In general most hate and fear change. Also, last years's run was of epic proportions, nothing they did the rest of the year came close to those shows and as you say, they are a victim of their won success. That being said, see y'all Friday night!!!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 07:51 AM
the united palace is the problem no one wants to travel up town . as much as i hate the beacon now that dolan took it over it was very easy to get to and the subway ride was 5 minutes from midtown . the problem this year is that the united palace is so far up town the subway ride alone is 30 to 40 minutes from penn station . the neighborhood isn't that bad but people think it is and they will not travel there . i know 30 people that travel to these shows ever march and they aren't coming because of where the theater is . this year i think moogis hurt the band since most people are staying home to watch it instead of traveling to the show . the ticket prices also killed alot of people but the price are pretty much the same as last year so i really don't think that stopped people from going . it all comes down to location of the shows if they booked the nokia ever show would be sold out even if they did 20 nights . it is much easier for people to get to . there are places to hang out and have drinks there are good places to eat and the people that work in the city would beable to make the shows right from work . where the theater is now you have to travel all the way up town and if your train is at 12:18am or so there is no way your going to make it there from all the way up town if it was at the beacon or somewhere closer then it would make it real easy to get to the shows and home from the shows ..as for me i have to drive in ever night since the train thing just doesn't work for me if i used the train i wouldn't be getting home untill 2am or later by driving in i am home by 12:30 . anyway thats my 2 cents on the whole thing .
 
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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 08:03 AM
Joe - the trip uptown is a bitch, no doubt!
 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 08:24 AM
From my view, I think moogis provides a good back up plan, but don't see it as a primary factor people wouldn't attend shows. For me, NYC has tended to be an every other year type trip so I knew last year pretty much I wouldn't be doing this year's run. The availability of moogis really just made that decision a little easier to swallow.

I talked to one forum member at the Please Call Home showing last year and I believe they had not gone to a Beacon show, but was instead watching them all on moogis and this year I have read where that person has gone to United Palace. Just one example where the opposite of what you think might be happening with some this year.

I really just see moogis as maybe only a minor factor in the lack of ticket sales, I think there are other primary reasons which have all been stated and discussed.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 08:42 AM
I definetly think it's ticket prices more than anything else. They NEED to be lower next year!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 09:23 AM
I hope Moogis expands one day and add more bands and venues to their list. To me, they have invested way to much money in it to do just the UP shows. Maybe Macon, Wanee, Alabama shows. If not, thats ok with me too, maybe add a couple venues in the Atlanta area, they have a great core of smaller bands that would probably love to be involved with it.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 11:49 AM
I like Moogis but it is no substitute for being in the building.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 12:20 PM
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I definetly think it's ticket prices more than anything else. They NEED to be lower next year!
This and people are afriad to go "uptown"

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 02:40 PM
I don't think Moogis really affected ticket sales. It was all about price for us this year.
We usually do three shows and buy extras for the kids, the neighbors and friends. Some pay us back, some don't. If I could've gotten decent seats for $75, I would have gone to at least one more show this year.
Thankfully there's Moogis, so the party's at our house. No bathroom line, cheap drinks, hot hors d'ouevres and pretty short trip from the couch to the bedroom.
I thought the theater was pretty nice and the sound was good. We were in the 11th row, Gregg's side, but my friend who was under the balcony said the sound sucked. I've found the same to be true at the Beacon but there's a lot less seats under the balcony there.
I had no problem with the area but due to time constraints we chose to eat at Penn. There are some decent places to eat at Penn but I did miss O'Hurleys. We got home after 3am last Friday morning because we missed the 12:11 out of Penn and had to wait for the 1:11. It is a haul on the subway but not enough to warrant all the bitchin' about going "all the way uptown". I'd do it again if I could.
The comments Gregg's been making say it all anyway. Some how I think next year's run will be back at the Beacon.

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 07:38 PM
I think Moogis is a backup plan for many people that didn't make the trip to NYC this year, including my wife and I. Kind of a let's see what happens @ the UP, and I'll watch at home.

I think if there wasn't Moogis, there would've been less empty seats. From the set lists I've seen, this has been quite the run this year though.

Only real problem for us is the cost. Hard to justify when one of you lost your job.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2010 at 08:58 PM
I personally think the impact of moogis, isolated, is very very very little.

Now, on the flipside, I suspect moogis sales ticked up VERY noticeably once people saw those $500/$325/$225 tix...THAT is the key problem, and was just an incredibly f**king stupid move. Layer on the hike up to the Palace and there you have it.

So, are more people watching it on moogis? Yes. But it's a result of other factors, and not a result of people thinking "oh wow, moogis, let's give that a shot"! (IMO)

They go back to the Beacon next year and it will be like '10 never happened.... (assumes the absence of another really f**king stupid move on ticket pricing, I think they've learned their lesson)

 

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  posted on 3/19/2010 at 08:02 AM
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Now, on the flipside, I suspect moogis sales ticked up VERY noticeably once people saw those $500/$325/$225 tix...THAT is the key problem, and was just an incredibly f**king stupid move. Layer on the hike up to the Palace and there you have it.


I thought those "package" ticket prices were ridiculous.
Do they do that anywhere else for other shows in other areas? Or is it only in New York that they gouge the fans?
Last year at the Beacon, the first ten rows in the orchestra were $150 and the rest were $100.
This year at the UP, the majority of tix in the orchestra were $150.
$150 is a bit chunky when you want to go to mutiple shows.

 

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For me there is a bit of a hangover from last year....I'm working from a tight budget this winter and even let my Moogis subscription lapse. I thought Moogis was awesome last year, seeing all of the 40th anniversary shows at home here in Buffalo was a special treat. I even got down to the Beacon for the show in which J. Herring guested. But, I wouldn't have been able to spend the $$ this year even at the old prices......

The live show is special, but last year from the balcony, while watching people argue with security, and straining to ignore talking drunks, etc., I'd be lying if I didn't find myself missing the Moogis a bit

I lived in NYC for over 12 years and went to the Beacon almost every year, sometimes twice or three times. It was a great run! But I've seen the band nearly 25 times since 1994 and went all out last year with the Moogis and the trip back to New York, but just had to step out of it this year. I enjoy watching the set-list here and checking out the you-tube clips, but I have to leave it at that....and that's cool. I've had my fun

As far as the UP/uptown thing goes: I think the UP is a great theatre, I caught Van there before leaving NYC and really enjoyed the atmosphere. The neighborhood is fine, and if I still lived in the metro area, I would have no problem traveling there to see the ABB. But when you live locally, you just go home after the show (or after seeing the musicians leave out the side door). For all of those people that come in from out of town for the NYC shows, I can't imagine the fact that they are being performed uptown a few miles being that big of a deterrent......but clearly some feel that way. The late night trains can be a drag for sure, but it's still worth it! But New Yorkers are funny that way Most fans around the country are excited when they get the ABB to put any venue in their area on the tour plan, I guess everybody got spoiled with the Beacon fixed experience for so many years. I know there was a lot tied up in that experience for those who travel in from out of town to meet friends, etc...not just the venue.

I'm sure I'll get out to another show at some point, but last year was so big, I'm content to leave it there for now....and catch the Mule or DTB or others at smaller affordable shows or even the free seasonal shows we get around Buffalo.

 

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  posted on 3/19/2010 at 09:41 AM
For me it is all about the economy and ticket prices. I am earning about 25% less this year
and just can't justify the trip into the city.

 
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  posted on 3/19/2010 at 09:46 AM
For me, it is strictly economy and ticket prices.

Don't care where it is, if I had the money I'd go.

 

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  posted on 3/19/2010 at 11:44 PM
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I definetly think it's ticket prices more than anything else. They NEED to be lower next year!


I think the ticket prices are too high for most people, then there are the other costs involved with NYC; even locals have train, dinner costs or driving with bridge/tunnel tolls and possibly parking costs and dinner plus the commute time.

It does not matter where you live on Long Island it will take at least 1 hr. to get into NY on the train. I've never understood that since some places may be 20 miles closer to NY than others but no matter where you are it is at least an hour travel time. It's like they just slow the trains down.

Then you always have an additional ride by subway, cab or bus and okay that's only like $4 for mass transit (except cab would be more) but it still takes time just to get to that, it's at least 10 minutes getting off the train and walking fast to a subway, so round trip that is 20 minutes.

Since may also be in part of the rush hour (which is many hours not just one) it just becomes a logistical pain in the butt for people. So you add all that plus high ticket prices and people just say, no. In the south, if you can drive a half hour to a venue, park and grab something to eat and go in to the show, well that's fine, but NY is different.

For those coming from out of town, they make a vacation out of it, but the hotel costs are usually not reasonable. There are bargains (you can get some for $120-150 a night, but by and large you are looking at $250-325 with the reason being hey it's New York). So if you factor in all the costs, time involved, people just say it's too much for them.

While the band is taking a little break in 2010, what abbout 2011, will they still do some of their regular shows, like Jones Beach, PNC, Buffalo, Saratoga, Massachusetts, Vermont or Rhode Island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Ohio. They oughta play Nashville, Georgia, Florida, Virginia (cause it's more than a 7 hr. ride for those folks to come up here to NY), and Red Rocks, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Utah, Texas. You have to be fair to people all over and play shows that they can get to, not just expect everyone to come to NY since it is expensive (no direct cheapo commuter flights from most places). Nobody expects a grueling schedule but people do want shows in their area.

 

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  posted on 3/19/2010 at 11:54 PM
P.S. To the original question, no Moogis does not hurt ticket sales. Moogis is something people who cannot get to the shows for whatever their reasons are, will benefit from. I do not think anyone sits there thinking, well it is cheaper to just do Moogis so we won't do any of the shows. It's not like that.

People make an independent decision based on many factors if they can do the shows or not (ie. can they get any time off from work so if they get home late, it is not so painful getting up to go to work the day after the show; personal stuff in their lives, do they have to be somewhere else on the show days? Can they get from those places to the shows in the time frames with constraints in their lives? Some people have kids and need somebody to watch them etc. etc. ). You'd probably be amazed at how many things people have to do in a day up here in NY.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2010 at 06:43 PM
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P.S. To the original question, no Moogis does not hurt ticket sales. Moogis is something people who cannot get to the shows for whatever their reasons are, will benefit from. I do not think anyone sits there thinking, well it is cheaper to just do Moogis so we won't do any of the shows. It's not like that.

People make an independent decision based on many factors if they can do the shows or not (ie. can they get any time off from work so if they get home late, it is not so painful getting up to go to work the day after the show; personal stuff in their lives, do they have to be somewhere else on the show days? Can they get from those places to the shows in the time frames with constraints in their lives? Some people have kids and need somebody to watch them etc. etc. ). You'd probably be amazed at how many things people have to do in a day up here in NY.




Actually, it does factor into the equation greatly. 150 for Moogis vs many hundreds to make the trip to NYC, plus the extra hassle to go WAY uptown with nothing familiar. Especially when money is tight due to my Wife losing her job. Making the trip was out of the question for us this year.

I for one hope they go back to the Beacon next year, regardless of who owns the facility.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2010 at 06:47 PM
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Actually, it does factor into the equation greatly.


Shep, are you saying if not for Moogis you would have attended some shows?

 

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  posted on 3/20/2010 at 06:55 PM
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Actually, it does factor into the equation greatly.


Shep, are you saying if not for Moogis you would have attended some shows?


We basically couldn't afford to make the trip this year, and with the extra hassle of going much farther uptown, with no familarity of the area it wasn't going to happen.

If they would've been at the Beacon, we probably would've found a way to get there, even if it was just for the day. I guess it boils down to money this time around. We've only seen them a few years @ the Beacon, and love the area around there as well as the close proximity to many NYC landmarks that are an easy walk/cab ride from 75th st.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2010 at 06:57 PM
I should've also said that the ticket prices are way out of line as well. Need to come back to earth a little bit.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2010 at 09:39 AM
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Last year at the Beacon, the first ten rows in the orchestra were $150 and the rest were $100.
This year at the UP, the majority of tix in the orchestra were $150.
$150 is a bit chunky when you want to go to mutiple shows.



...and $150 for upstairs tickets -- ANY upstairs tickets -- is ludicrous. It's an entirely different experience upstairs. Completely different vibe. A dear and generous friend bought my Lower Loge ticket last night, and I was shocked that its face value was $150. Just shocked.

 

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