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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 04:26 AM
I dont know if these recordings have been around with tapers for years or not, and I dont care, I have never heard them, but listening to this tonight, this studio version is making me smile big, wow

 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 04:43 AM
Haven't picked this up yet, but curious about whether the Hear My Train A Comin isn't the same one that came out on the Jimi Hendrix blues CD.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 06:09 AM
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Haven't picked this up yet, but curious about whether the Hear My Train A Comin isn't the same one that came out on the Jimi Hendrix blues CD.


I haven't listened to that collection in a while, but to the best of my recollection the Train on the blues cd had been previously released....

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"Hear My Train A Comin’": This electric, full-band version is different from the famous 12-string acoustic version that was featured in the 1973 documentary Jimi Hendrix and subsequently on the album Jimi Hendrix: Blues.




 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 06:13 AM
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Haven't picked this up yet, but curious about whether the Hear My Train A Comin isn't the same one that came out on the Jimi Hendrix blues CD.


that version is live. this version is the unedited studio version as far as i know

 

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VALLEYS OF NEPTUNE
Release date: March 2010 (Sony)

Stone Free, Valleys Of Neptune, Bleeding Heart, Hear My Train A Comin', Mr. Bad Luck, Sunshine Of Your Love, Lover Man, Ships Passing Through The Night, Fire, Red House, Lullaby For The Summer, Crying Blue Rain

At last! Apart from the excellent studio material release on Dagger Records, it has been a long wait to see a new Hendrix studio album actually in the shops. 10 years in fact, since the MCA 2000 box set and 12 years since "South Saturn Delta"! This puts an end to the MCA/Universal era, as Experience Hendrix have signed a deal with Sony for a multitude of new releases.

I haven't heard this new album yet but a lot of information about it is circulating. It is already apparent that the album certainly does not feature "fully realised" recordings as the 2009 promotional talk stated. This is along the same lines as "South Saturn Delta" and the 2000 box set in that it brings together more outtakes, demos and rehearsals, but this time concentrating on the early 1969 period as 9 of the 12 tracks date from that period."Mr. Bad Luck" is of course the 1967 proto version of"Look Over Yonder" which had appeared in its original mono form on the "Lifelines" radio show album back in 1990 (but here it unfortunately features 1987 stereo overdubs by Mich and Noel)*."Valleys Of Neptune" was also on "Lifelines" though this version is more "finished" as it is a recent skillful combination of separate takes put together by Eddie Kramer and it works very well (though it still sounds like a rough demo and is not strong enough as a title track or single relaese in my opinion).

"Lullaby For The Summer" has already appeared on bootlegs with inferior sound. It's an interesting instrumental that the band developped as"Dance" before Jimi adapted the basic riff into"Ezy Ryder". The song"Ships Passing Through The Night" is another Kramer composite of rough studio outtakes of The Experience going through an embryonic"Nightbird Flying" (and not the jam of Jimi with unknown musicians that is circulating on bootlegs with a trumpet accompanyment).
"Crying Blue Rain" is also known from an excerpt on bootlegs (also sometimes called"Gypsy Blood") and it is a slow blues theme where Jimi simply mouths"Yeaaah, yeaah,…" over the top. Great to have a much longer version here.

Now for the more familiar songs."Fire" and "Red House" are from the band's rehearsals for the February 1969 Royal Albert Hall concerts (two other songs from these rehearsals were on the MCA box, namely"Hear My Tran A Comin" and "Spanish Castle Magic").
The best track is said to be"Hear My Train A Comin". This is the original recording that Alan Douglas had fiddled with for his controversial "Midnight Lightning" album of 1975.
Yet another studio tryout of "Lover Man" here. There was already a version on "South Saturn Delta" and two on the box set! This one comes from the Chandler tapes again*. It's a good track but surely another song would have added more variety to the successive studio releases.
Billy Cox is on bass for"Bleeding Heart" (this was while Noel was still part of The Experience!) and it is Jimi's funkier adaptation of the Elmore James song (like the much more finished version of "War Heroes "/"South Saturn Delta") and it features Rocky Isaac on drums plus two percussionnists).
Finally Stone Free" is not exactly the same as the version that appeared on the MCA 2000 box set. It dates from May 17, 1969 with Billy Cox on bass this time, but the backing vocals (Andy Fairweather Low and Roger Chapman) are in fact from the version that was on the box set.

This album could almost have been titled "The 1969 sessions" and it should really have deen put out on Dagger Records for experienced collectors (no pun intended). Still, younger fans will perhaps find this interesting and realise that even in more relaxed situations, Jimi could really put some hot music down on tape. I thought that by this stage Experience hendrix would have got round to releasing some of the long overdue tracks such as "Easy Blues","Calling All Devil's Children", or "Peace In Mississippi" (that song is being used as single "b-side" but I would have preferred to see it on this album, in place of "Lover Man" for example).

*Some of these tracks ("Sunshine Of Your Love", "Lover Man", "Crying Blue Rain" and "Mr Bad Luck") are known to collectors from "The Chandler Tapes" and they circulated on the bootleg "Studio Haze" among others. Chas had called up Mitch and Noel in 1987 to add new rhythm tracks to the tapes that had been found at Olympic Studios. The original unretouched tapes have never been heard (apart from "Mr Bad Luck" which was on "Lifelines").



Here are the tracks in their chronolgical order:

Mr. Bad Luck - May 5, 1967 + 1987 overdubs.

Sunshine Of Your Love - February 16, 1969 + 1987 overdubs.
Lover Man - February 16, 1969 + 1987 overdubs.
Crying Blue Rain - February 16, 1969 + 1987 overdubs.
Fire - February 17, 1969
Red House - February 17, 1969

Lullaby For The Summer - April 7, 1969
Hear My Train A Comin' - April 7, 1969
Stone Free - April 7, 9, 14, May 17,1969
Ships Passing Through The Night - April 14, 1969 - 2009 composite
Bleeding Heart - April 24, 1969

Valleys Of Neptune - September 23, 1969 (+May 15, 1970) - 2009 composite



> An MP3 "Deluxe" version of the album is announced on iTunes with two bonus tracks : "Trashman" and "Slow Version" (both previously on Dagger's "Hear My Music").

THE COVER
Quite a nice dreamy montage of Jimi over his own illustration of a Neptune landscape.. - 7/10

 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 09:46 AM
Love "Crying Blue Rain"- has somewhat of a naked Catfish Blues meets a deconstructed Hear My Train kind of vibe to it

My good buddy Chain (thanks!) sent me this link to where you cam hear the full cuts from the entire album, not just 30 second teasers...

http://www.ktrh.com/main.html

scroll towarsds the bottom of the page to the KTRH Spotlioght Banner to open the player...

enjoy!

 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 05:53 PM
GREAT cd !!!!!

 

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  posted on 3/10/2010 at 07:08 PM
I am pleasantly surprised by how much I'm enjoying this Beyond Hendrix completists, anyone who is even a medium-sized Hendrix freak should get this right away.

Among other things, let me chime in on the Target bonus tracks--They ROCK! "Trash Man" is just 7 minutes of Jimi soloing, absolutely in the zone, kicking ass and taking names. That tone! WOW! Where has this track been hiding for the last 40 years?

My one complaint is that some of these songs are already well-known to Hendrix fans under other names, so you might not be getting as many "new" songs as you think. "Mr. Bad Luck" is the song widely known as "Look Over Yonder," and I imagine most serious Hendrix fans have heard it. Likewise, "Lullaby For The Summer" is basically a slightly different version of "Ezy Rider," and "Ships Passing Through The Night" is an early version of "Night Bird Flying." It seems that some of these songs "evolved" into other songs that we all know and love.

However, to end on an up note, a lot of my Hendrix bootlegs just became obsolete The sound quality on this is excellent, with fiery "live in the studio" jams on songs like "Sunshine of Your Love" and "Hear My Train A-Comin'" that can stand up to any live version, but are much better recordings. "Valleys of Neptune" is great, I love Jimi's sci-fi prophet side This version of "Bleeding Heart" is super-funky, and totally different from any other version I've ever heard. "Stone Free" has some new/different chords and a slightly different structure from what I'm used to hearing live. "Lover Man" is at a slower tempo than usual, not as frantic, more of a laid-back funk groove.

All in all, nothing really groundbreaking, and if you're a serious Hendrix freak you have probably heard most of these songs, in one form or another. Still, there are enough nuggets of righteous Jimi mojo voodoo on this to justify the 9.99, and then some.

 
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  posted on 3/11/2010 at 06:56 PM
Even amidst the frenzy around the New York shows, this thread deserves better than languishing on Page 4.

This CD is a lot better than I thought it would be, and if you at all interested in Hendrix, you should get in the car, drive to Target, and buy it. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

 
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Even amidst the frenzy around the New York shows, this thread deserves better than languishing on Page 4.

This CD is a lot better than I thought it would be, and if you at all interested in Hendrix, you should get in the car, drive to Target, and buy it. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
I am listening to this right now. Havn't made it to Red House yet. So far I like it a lot. Really enjoyed Lover Man. Kind of on the fence still about Hear My Train A Comin','cause I really like the accoustic version.

 

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Haven't picked this up yet, but curious about whether the Hear My Train A Comin isn't the same one that came out on the Jimi Hendrix blues CD.


that version is live. this version is the unedited studio version as far as i know


That is correct. The one from Blues is live from Berkeley and the one on VON is a studio version.

None of the tracks on VON have been previously released commercially, I believe.

 

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BTW, the 4 reissues w/DVDs (AYE, Axis, Electric Ladyland, and First Rays of the New Rising Sun) are fantastic as well....check out my review of Are You Experienced on amazon.com. They sound absolutely fantastic and you can buy 2 Hendrix CDs at Target at 9.98 each and get a $5 gift card. Pretty good deal.

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Haven't picked this up yet, but curious about whether the Hear My Train A Comin isn't the same one that came out on the Jimi Hendrix blues CD.


that version is live. this version is the unedited studio version as far as i know


That is correct. The one from Blues is live from Berkeley and the one on VON is a studio version.

None of the tracks on VON have been previously released commercially, I believe.


a few of the tunes are on out of print albums that were authorized by the hendrix family but the songs were edited and not from original masters of the tracks so the sound quality was weak

 

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I got all 5 at target for 41 bucks. You can buy two sets of two and use the gift cards for the last one. Great deal and fantastic music. The two target bonus tracks were available on Experience Hendrix's Dagger Records release "Hear My Music." For those not familiar, it a label that puts out bootleg quality (or better) releases. The are official albums but not available in stores; only through the website or Experience Hendrix print catalogs. Eddie Kramer is usually involved in making them sound as good as possible. I have them all and have been more than pleased with the quality.

http://www.authentichendrix.com/pgi-CUSTOMLISTPRODUCTS7?4,Dagger%20Records, 2,90,=,0002,|,157,=,0002,|,158,=,0002,|,159,=,0002,|,160,=,0002

 

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How long are the mini-documentaries on the new discs? Also, is the sound any different than the last time they re-mastered them back in the early 2000's?
 

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Even amidst the frenzy around the New York shows, this thread deserves better than languishing on Page 4.

This CD is a lot better than I thought it would be, and if you at all interested in Hendrix, you should get in the car, drive to Target, and buy it. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
I am listening to this right now. Havn't made it to Red House yet. So far I like it a lot. Really enjoyed Lover Man. Kind of on the fence still about Hear My Train A Comin','cause I really like the accoustic version.


I know a lot of people who love that acoustic version. But, whenever I play the Blues album, I skip it. Every time. Don't know why, but I can't get into it. I loved the electric version at the end of the Blues album, but to me (and I haven't heard the new album yet), the definitive version of the song is the first version on the BBC album. It's perfect.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2010 at 10:55 AM
You should try some of the Dagger stuff at Experience Hendrix.

Doesn't have the Douglas overdubs or cutting and pasting.

Takes care of some of the stuff on those albums

 

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  posted on 3/12/2010 at 11:19 AM
I have all of the Dagger records studio stuff, but some of the live stuff they sell is low quality bootleg material.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2010 at 11:55 AM
Midnight Lightning and Crash landing both have studio musicians over-dubbed. many of the songs had Mitch, Noel & Billy wiped off completely. Some have backing vocalists added. The more recent releases have Jimi and his original contributors along with production by Eddie Kramer - Jimi's right-hand (left-hand?) man in the studio.

CRASH LANDING:

1. Message To Love - Jimi - Guitar & Vocal; Billy Cox - Bass; Buddy Miles - Drums & Voices; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion

2. Somewhere Over The Rainbow - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums

3. Crash Landing - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion; Linda November, Vivian Cherry, Barbara Massey - voices

4. Come Down Hard On Me - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums

5. Peace in Mississippi - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion

6. With The Power - Jimi - Guitar & Vocal; Billy Cox - Bass; Buddy Miles - Drums & Voices; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion

7. Stone Free Again - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion

8. Captain Coconut - Jimi - guitar, Billy cox - bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - slinky

MIDNIGHT LIGHTNING:

1. Trashman - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums

2. Midnight Lightning - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion; Lance Quinn - guitar; Maeretha Stewart, Hilda Harris, Vivian cherry - voices

3. Hear My Train A Coming - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - shaker; Mitch Mitchell - drums

4. Gypsy Boy - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion; Lance Quinn - guitar; Maeretha Stewart, Hilda Harris, Vivian cherry - voices

5. Blue Suede Shoes - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums

6. Machine Gun - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; Lance Quinn - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums

7. Once I Had A Woman - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion; Lance Quinn - guitar; Maeretha Stewart, Hilda Harris, Vivian cherry - voices; Buddy lucas - harmonica

8. Beginnings - Jimi Guitar & Vocals; jeff Mironov - guitar; Bob Babbit - Bass; Alan Schwartzberg - drums; Jimmy Maeulen - Percussion

There's more of this bullsh!t on 1995's "Voodoo Soup." Thankfully the Hendrix family put an end to that crapola once they got the rights to Jimi's music. Any song overlap from then to now does not mean they are the same versions. Anything on Experience Hendrix has been done with the tracks original musicians.

The albums "Loose Ends" and "War Heroes" have the original recordings and players. Mitch Mitchell was involved in the production of "War Heroes." "Loose Ends" was never officially released in the US because Warner Brothers thought the material wasn't very good.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2010 at 12:11 PM
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that's why it's not really commercially available and on the Dagger label.

 

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How long are the mini-documentaries on the new discs? Also, is the sound any different than the last time they re-mastered them back in the early 2000's?


So far I've only watched the AYE DVD and it is about 25 minutes long, but very cool. There are interviews with Chas Chandler, Mitch and Noel, all of which I haven't seen before. There's also extensive interviews with Eddie Kramer and he isolates different tracks like Tom Dowd did with Layla on his DVD, which really gives you a unique perspective on the recording process.

As far as whether the remasters/mixes are new or not, I have the previous 1997 Experience Henrdix remasters as well. So far all I've listened to is part of AYE, which to me sounds like a HUGE improvement in sound, a few tunes off Axis, which isn't as dramatic, but still an upgrade, and First Rays, which sounds about the same. If you check the review in amazon I wrote for Are You Experienced, I raved about the sound and then there was another reviewer whose only purpose seemed to refute the fact that the sound was better...he went into great detail about how he A/B'ed AYE with this massively expensive system with the '97 remasters and he was adamant there was no improvment. He went as far as to call those of us who thought the sound was better delusional idiots....funny thing is, I don't think the guy is even a Hendrix fan. I just think he wants to be RIGHT....he even went as far as to contact Experience Hendrix and they told that yes, the Sony Legacy reissues had been remastered but that the improvement in sound is negilible. Whatever. To me they also sound remixed. And better. At those prices I think they are worth picking up just for the DVDs and the previously unreleased photos in the booklets.

 

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