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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:11 PM
RONARLD REAGAN WAS MANY THINGS, BUT MOST UNDENIABLY HE WAS A
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

By Eric Alterman, The Nation

Ronald Reagan was many things, but most undeniably he was a pathological
liar. True, he gave every impression of being an unbelievable moron (which is
why Saturday Night Live could once parody his pathetic excuses for the
Iran-Contra scandal with a skit that depicted Reagan as--get this!--brilliant and
competent). His worshipful, if fanciful biographer Edmund Morris even called him
an "apparent airhead." The President's famous cluelessness was so obvious during
his years in office that his defenders would attempt to deploy it as a defense of his
actions, as if he were a small child or a beloved but screwed up uncle. The
President tended to "build these little words and live in them," noted a senior
adviser. "He makes things up and believes them," explained one of his kids.

Recall that 'ol Dutch frequently made arguments about history based on movies
he half-recalled. He thought he'd liberated concentration camps. He invented
what he called "a verbal message" from the Pope in support of his Central America
policies, news to everyone in Vatican City. In 1985, Reagan one day announced that
the vicious apartheid regime of P.W. Botha had already "eliminated the segregation
that we once had in our own country."

Not only did Reagan make things up, he also forgot some things that most of us
consider pretty important. Morris, for instance, lets us in on the astonshing fact
that the President not only did not know his own Secretary of Housing and Urban
Development--no big whoop, as the guy was, after all, black--but that Mr. Family
Values also failed to recognize his own son (HIS OWN SON!!) while attending his
graduation. If any of us had a parent given to such behavior, we might feel
compelled to look into some sort of institutionalized care, if only for his own
protection.

But another, more significant, little-mentioned tendency of the ex-President was his
fondness for genocidal murderers. I do not use the term "genocide" lightly.

Take Guatemala. That nation's official Historical Clarification Commission charged
its own government with a campaign of "genocide" in murdering roughly
200,000 people, mainly Mayan Indians, during its dictorial reign of terror. The
commission's nine-volume 1999 report singled out the U.S. role in aiding this
"criminal counterinsurgency." The violence in Guatemala reached a gruesome
climax in the early eighties under the dictatorship of the born-again evangelical,
Gen. Efrain Rios Montt. Nine hundred thousand people were forcibly relocated
and entire villages leveled. As army helicopters strafed a caravan of 40,000 unarmed
refugees seeking to escape to Mexico, Reagan chose that moment to congratulate
Rios Montt for his dedication to democracy, adding that he had been getting a
"bum rap" from liberals in Congress and the media. His Adminstration soon
provided as much aid to the killers as Congress would allow.

Reagan showed a similar indulgence toward the terrorists in El Salvador.
The President and his equally immoral advisers consistently behaved as they were
hired public relations agents for the murderers of children, nuns, priests and
peasants. Not long after these killings reached the amazing level of more than 200
per week--in a country with just 5.5 million people--Reagan mused aloud that they
were not the work of "so-called murder squads" on the right, but of "guerilla forces"
who think they "can get away with these violent acts, helping to try and bring down
the government, and the right wing will be blamed for it." In fact, only days later,
Vice President Bush flew to San Salvador to insist that "every murderous act"
committed by "right wing fanatics...poisons the well of friendship between our two
countries," and that "death squad murderers" could cost the killers "the support of
the American people." Didn't Reagan know what Bush knew? Does anyone care?
After the war, the Catholic archdiocese in San Salvador documented the number of
killings on each side. The tally: military and government-assisted death squads, 41,048;
left-wing guerrillas, 776. Reagan was off by almost 5,500 percent.
Liar or moron? You tell me.

Pundits casually credit Reagan with inspiring Moscow's capitulation in the Cold War,
via his obsession with Star Wars. But as Frances Fitzgerald demonstrated in her book,
"Way Out There in the Blue: Reagan and Star Wars and the End of the Cold War",
the historical record does not even remotely support this wishfully ignorant thesis.
Similarly, in Matthew Evangelista's book, "Unarmed Forces", we discover the key role
played by transnational forces in convincing Gorbachev & Co. to shut down the arms
race in spite--not because--of the belligerence emanating from Reagan and his men.

Lou Cannon's book, "President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime" ignores Guatemala
and bends over backward to be generous to his subject's odd belief structure. But as
Herbert Mitgang observed of Cannon's 1990 edition, "simply by being fair," the book
proved "a devastating account of Ronald Reagan's presidency."

Despite Cannon's solid historical reconstruction and Edmund Morris's nutty nonfiction
novel, the key question about Reagan remains not only unanswered by unasked.
It is just this: How did this childlike fantasist and friend of genocide convince a nation
of reasonably intelligent God-fearing and generally decent citizens to avert its eyes
from the heart of darkness that beat beneath Ronald Reagan's congenial smile?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:45 PM
First of all, though some people don't want to accept it, Reagan had dementia most of his presidency. Anyone familiar with Alzheimers knows the people suffering from the disease is able to function a previous levels and since he was an actor, he remembered how to read a speech long after he could remember he was actually the president. He also cooperated with Senator Joe McCarthy.


Ronald Reagan

Reagan was one of 41 people working in Hollywood who became known as "friendly witnesses". Reagan's support of McCarthyism enabled him to continue working in Hollywood.

 

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First of all, though some people don't want to accept it, Reagan had dementia most of his presidency. Anyone familiar with Alzheimers knows the people suffering from the disease is able to function a previous levels and since he was an actor, he remembered how to read a speech long after he could remember he was actually the president. He also cooperated with Senator Joe McCarthy.


Ronald Reagan

Reagan was one of 41 people working in Hollywood who became known as "friendly witnesses". Reagan's support of McCarthyism enabled him to continue working in Hollywood.




Thanks Gina...OMG.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:49 PM
You just called me Gina? Have you ever delt with someone who had Alzheimers?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:50 PM
Anyone who believes the crap they publish in The Nation is pathologically gullible. Except for Frank W. Lewis's cryptic crossword puzzles (and he's not as good as Fraser Simpson or Henry Hook -- look 'em up on Amazon) the ragazine should be published as rolls of perforated squares.

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:52 PM
Did or did not Reagan lie about arms for hostages?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 10:58 PM
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You just called me Gina? Have you ever delt with someone who had Alzheimers?


Yes, my dead mother, any other questions?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 11:02 PM


[Edited on 2/12/2010 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 2/11/2010 at 11:37 PM
The article only begins to scratch the surface of Reagan's lies. Actually everything he ever said was a lie unless you would prefer to call it acting. But to call the American people "reasonably intelligent" is as far off the mark as Reagan's statements. Americans ate up the morning in America crap. They have the intelligence and perceptiveness of grade school children.
 

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You just called me Gina? Have you ever delt with someone who had Alzheimers?


Yes, my dead mother, any other questions?


Johnny's father had it for eight years and before he died, Johnny's mother had it for another nine years and she lived with us for all but eight of them. Layer by layer she lost her memory until near the end she was a young woman in the thirties. I watched the same thing happen to Reagan and saw the same look she had in his eyes when he thought no one was looking. An illustration of his impairment was when Nancy started standing beside him and coaching him with answers. If you were around your mother a lot, I know you understand what I'm talking about.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 12:27 AM
Man, I love liberal bullsh*t and Reagan player hatin'. The fact is, while he wasn't perfect and even I didn't agree with all he did, with the release of the book of his letters and the seperate book of his diary, he wasn't dumb by any means and he knew exactly what he believed in and why. Compare that to the modern day liberal who hasn't got a clue in what he or she believes in and why, and there you go. 'Secrets Aghan prisons? Never went for it until Obama did it.' 'Warrantless cell phone tracking?? Never went for it until Obama did it.' Pathetic. I'll take the words of Lech Walesa and Natan Sharansky about President Reagan over some whining liberal puke any day of the week.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 01:01 AM
Too funny. Just as I thought. Any thread bearing Reagan's name draws Fletch in like a magnet.
I knew you'd respond. You're getting too predictable, Fletchie Boy!

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 01:09 AM
As a matter of fact, even liberal Massachusetts went for Reagan during his 1984 re-election landlside, so thank your friends for me.

 

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Man, I love liberal bullsh*t and Reagan player hatin'. The fact is, while he wasn't perfect and even I didn't agree with all he did, with the release of the book of his letters and the seperate book of his diary, he wasn't dumb by any means and he knew exactly what he believed in and why. Compare that to the modern day liberal who hasn't got a clue in what he or she believes in and why, and there you go. 'Secrets Aghan prisons? Never went for it until Obama did it.' 'Warrantless cell phone tracking?? Never went for it until Obama did it.' Pathetic. I'll take the words of Lech Walesa and Natan Sharansky about President Reagan over some whining liberal puke any day of the week.


One thing I've noticed is how you slap labels on everyone.....what exactly should we be calling you? Do you even know what you believe or do you just know what you don't think everyone else should believe? How's it feel out there twisting in that bunch of hot air?

 

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ps.....sorry we said anything bad about Reagan that you had to read. I know it really hurts to know some of us don't think he's Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny all rolled into one.

 

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As a matter of fact, even liberal Massachusetts went for Reagan during his 1984 re-election landlside, so thank your friends for me.


And I'd like to thank your nearby neighbors in Minnesota for NOT voting for him in 1984.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 02:10 AM

This guy Otie is such a joke!! He tries to throw insults at people, but he never has any real points of view. What do you know about Reagan Otie? You're a know nothing douche.
Let's see you make an intelligent statement without insulting or attacking someone.
Every time you write something, it's always the same crap. Just insults and put downs.

 

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This guy Otie is such a joke!! He tries to throw insults at people, but he never has any real points of view. What do you know about Reagan Otie? You're a know nothing douche.
Let's see you make an intelligent statement without insulting or attacking someone.
Every time you write something, it's always the same crap. Just insults and put downs.



Otie's a good guy, Mike.

 

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Who are you quoting here Woodsdweller??

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 06:59 AM
I think it was pretty obvious Reagan was suffering from dementia at least the last couple years of his second term. His cabinet was totally out of control and riddled with scandal after scandal and he was for the most part hidden from the public eye. My main beef with him was cutting federal programs for the mentally ill. Not a real Christian thing to do from a guy who claimed to be all for Christianity.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 08:14 AM
Pathological liar? No.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 10:24 AM
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The article only begins to scratch the surface of Reagan's lies. Actually everything he ever said was a lie unless you would prefer to call it acting. But to call the American people "reasonably intelligent" is as far off the mark as Reagan's statements. Americans ate up the morning in America crap. They have the intelligence and perceptiveness of grade school children.


Sadly, you're so right. Americans are idiots.....

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The article only begins to scratch the surface of Reagan's lies. Actually everything he ever said was a lie unless you would prefer to call it acting. But to call the American people "reasonably intelligent" is as far off the mark as Reagan's statements. Americans ate up the morning in America crap. They have the intelligence and perceptiveness of grade school children.


Sadly, you're so right. Americans are idiots.....

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  posted on 2/12/2010 at 10:48 AM
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The article only begins to scratch the surface of Reagan's lies. Actually everything he ever said was a lie unless you would prefer to call it acting. But to call the American people "reasonably intelligent" is as far off the mark as Reagan's statements. Americans ate up the morning in America crap. They have the intelligence and perceptiveness of grade school children.
I'm always 'intrigued' by blanket statements and generalizations like this. 'They'? Are you an American lp58?

 

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