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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 01:37 PM
Forty two years ago today, 3 college students were killed in Orangeburg, South Carolina as a result of protesting a bowling alley's right not to admit them because they were black. The incident is known as "The Orangeburg Massacre", which happened several months before the Kent State killings.

I remember having several relatives at the school and we were waiting around to see if any of them had been killed or hurt

My daughter just graduated from the neighboring college and I have spent some time around the bowling alley (now closed) and the sight of the shooting.

Just a very traumatic time in my life and the world back then. And one that I will never forget.

God Bless the memory of Henry Smith, Delano Middleton and Samuel Hammond and their families.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 01:44 PM
God bless them indeed. A sad reminder of a sad time. I'm sorry this happened.
I don't quite have the words.....

 
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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 02:05 PM
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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 02:57 PM
bluedad, My mother's boss was in the national gaurd at the time and was sent to Orangeburg. He has said before here i was going into the national gaurd to help pay for college and next thing I knew I was in full combat gear in Orangeburg, not what he ever thought he would be a part of, definitly a sad time in history for our country. God Bless.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 03:12 PM
Civil rights unrest, Viet Nam War, MLK, RFK, student protests, Democratic convention in Chicago, Tet, Nixon, and this. 1968 was a very turbulent and sad year in our history.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 03:30 PM
John, as we both were in Aiken during that time, I remember a family friend, who was a Highway Patrolman in Aiken at the time, borrowing one of my Daddy's shotguns as they were stocking up their cars with extra firepower in case riots started in Aiken the next day. Will always remember that, even at 10 years old.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 04:32 PM
“Yesterday marked the second anniversary of the deaths of three Orangeburg students--shot by policemen. We know that nothing like that will ever happen to us because we are white, we are middle-class, we are cautious liberals and we are at the big university and not at State. But when one or 28 get shot in the night, can others, even though popular or safe at the time, be safe for long?”

The Gamecock
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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 04:33 PM
When it comes to treatment of Native Americans, African Americans, Japanese Americans during WWII, we as a nation have an awful lot in our history to be profoundly ashamed of.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 05:06 PM
List of students wounded that night; all injuries except two or three were to the back and side. Harvey Miller,15 and Ernest Shuler,16-high school students- were returning from a movie and taking a shortcut across Lowman Field. Johnny Bookhart,19 was in his dorm room writing a paper and stepped out on the porch when he was shot. He was 500’ away. Herman Middleton, 17, was a high school student whose mother was a maid at the college.

Herman Boller Jr., 19
Johnny Bookhart, 19
Thompson Braddy, 20
Bobby K. Burton, 22
Ernest Raymond Carson, 17
Robert Lee Davis Jr., 19
Albert Dawson, 18
Bobby Eaddy, 17
Herbert Gadson, 19
Samuel Grant, 19
Samuel Grate, 19
Sam Hammond, 18* ( 1 gunshot wound )
Joseph Hampton, 21
Charles W. Hildebrand, 19
Nathaniel Jenkins, 21
Thomas Kennerly, 21
Joseph Lambright, 21
Richard McPherson, 19
Delano Middleton, 17* ( 7 gunshot wounds )
Harvey Lee Miller, 15
Harold Riley, 20
Cleveland Sellers, 23
Ernest Shuler, 16
Jordan Simmons III, 21
Henry Smith, 18* (5 gunshot wounds )
Ronald Smith, 19
Frankie Thomas, 18
Robert Watson, 19
Robert Lee Williams, 19
Savannah Williams, 19

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[Edited on 2/9/2010 by TanDan]

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 05:33 PM
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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 07:29 PM
I have never heard about this, thanks for the history lesson. It's unbelievable to me that this horrible event occured in the USA. Look how old some of the people involved were?

[Edited on 2/9/2010 by steadyhorse]

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 07:31 PM
I didn't even know about this John. Funny it never got the publicity that Kent State did, but that doesn't exactly surprise me. Sorry to hear about it and the grief you must have gone through.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 09:32 PM
It is interesting to note that on the night of the Orangeburg shootings, MLK was a guest on The Tonight Show.

Four days later, Memphis sanitation workers walked off their jobs to protest work conditions. MLK was asked to come to Memphis and lead a march in support. King went to Memphis.

Two months later RFK was killed.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2010 at 09:09 AM
If the Allman Brothers and Grateful Dead had called for armed violence against the government, I'm sure it would have happened. All it would have taken was a little match and that gasoline would have erupted.
When Columbia University was closed down because of a protest by students against the Vietnam War, the Grateful Dead smuggled their equipment onto the campus in a bread truck and played a free gig.
Back then we had a free press and video games did not exist yet.

 

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If the Allman Brothers and Grateful Dead had called for armed violence against the government, I'm sure it would have happened. All it would have taken was a little match and that gasoline would have erupted.
When Columbia University was closed down because of a protest by students against the Vietnam War, the Grateful Dead smuggled their equipment onto the campus in a bread truck and played a free gig.
Back then we had a free press and video games did not exist yet.


If you speak to my kids and their friends they will claim that our boomer generation has morphed into the most narcissistic/self indulged least politically active segment of society - responsible for the financial meltdown and health care crisis. So go figure

 

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If you speak to my kids and their friends they will claim that our boomer generation has morphed into the most narcissistic/self indulged least politically active segment of society - responsible for the financial meltdown and health care crisis. So go figure

I think there's a lot of truth in what your kids say.

 

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If you speak to my kids and their friends they will claim that our boomer generation has morphed into the most narcissistic/self indulged least politically active segment of society - responsible for the financial meltdown and health care crisis. So go figure

I think there's a lot of truth in what your kids say.


I do sometimes wonder whether our "rebellion" was mostly about the drugs, sex and music and less about the "issues" When I got a hybrid 5 years ago (one of the first) all my friends wanted to know why I did so when they were not yet "cost effective." My 2 older kids were proud as hell of their dad(unfortunately my 14 year old would rather have a Mercedes that got 10 mpg

 

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I do sometimes wonder whether our "rebellion" was mostly about the drugs, sex and music and less about the "issues"


64 - 72 issues

72 - ? sex, drugs, RR

The largest conservative group in my opinion are people today in their 30's, 40's who grew up during the Raygun/Bush I & II era.

20 somethings are getting liberal again, still plenty of us 50s/60s kids who support progressive positions.

We should also mention Jackson State University, Jackson, MS, where on 14 May 1970, two students were killed during anti Vietnam war protests by police.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2010 at 02:33 PM
i remember seeing a small segment about this on the history channel

 

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  posted on 2/9/2010 at 04:07 PM
I'm from SC. Something that is extremely unfortunate and amazing to me is how this event seems to be largely ignored in the state.

I dont recall ever being taught about this incident in school in South Carolina. Sometime over the last couple of years I asked several of my friends, all of whom are college educated if they knew about the Orangeburg Massacare and very few had heard of it. Maybe an isolated case but still...

I mean I know the state isnt proud of it but its hard to believe it isn't more widely acknowledged in the state. Seems like the Kent St shootings are on tv all the time.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2010 at 01:54 PM
I'm bumping this because I saw a documentary on PBS (American Experience) about this last night with accounts of all of it from both sides. The "authorities" really let what could have been a minor incident turn into a fiasco, and people died. Shot in the back, running away.

It started over a bigot and a bowling alley.

This happened very close to Knoxville and is another forgotten chapter of a regrettable time for this country.

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=C111

 

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