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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 05:52 AM
Coming to a town near you! The "Green Police". A very funny ad that made me laugh, then it kinda made me want to cry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq58zS4_jvM


George Carlin, more global warming fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

Global Warming? Bring it on! Too funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L8bRNs_bZE

Global Warming/Climate Change DEBUNKED !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqwxKOQYcsc

I guess we did such a great job with Global Cooling that it turned into Global Warming?


If they say it over and over enough times, eventually you will start to believe it!

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What does believing in something make people idiots and suckers? Personally I think we all should try to leave this planet as clean or cleaner than we found it. I wonder if the very people mocking those of us who try to take care of this planet are the ones who don't think twice about throwing their garbage out their car windows.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 01:13 PM
Excellent point.....I forgot for a minute who started this thread....thank you for bringing me back to my senses.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 01:23 PM
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Go find a meaningful political or economic post either of them has made. Bring your lunch, it will take a lot of time.
Better make it dinner. Three courses and leave room for desert.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 02:04 PM
And a good movie to pass the time afterward.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2010 at 03:43 PM
I recycle and do what I can.

What I am not for is people controlling others and making millions off of the "green" tag. I am not a believer of global warming or climate change.

The earth heats and cools. It's not rocket science, well, I guess that it will be NASA's only job now that we aren't going back to space anytime soon, so I guess it is rocket science? Brilliant.

The earth was cooling in the 70's and now it's warming! SHOCKING !!!





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I am not a believer of global warming or climate change.

The earth heats and cools.


Do you understand that those two statements contradict each other?

They don't really contradict. There are normal cycles of heating and cooling, but "climate change" suggests a shift in the mean of these cycles and he does not believe the shift exists.

 

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I am not a believer of global warming or climate change.

The earth heats and cools.


Do you understand that those two statements contradict each other?

They don't really contradict. There are normal cycles of heating and cooling, but "climate change" suggests a shift in the mean of these cycles and he does not believe the shift exists.



Actually, no, it is climate change. Climate change is always occurring. What is being argued is the role of humans in the current change that is going on. jpb, who appears to live in a vacuum, denies that any change is going on, but says the earth heats and cools. Just another example of his ... well, you decide for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change



Climate change is a change in the statistical distribution of weather over periods of time that range from decades to millions of years. It can be a change in the average weather or a change in the distribution of weather events around an average (for example, greater or fewer extreme weather events). Climate change may be limited to a specific region, or may occur across the whole Earth. It can be caused by recurring, often cyclical climate patterns such as El Niño-Southern Oscillation, or come in the form of more singular events such as the Dust Bowl.

Fair enough. I'll revise my comment to say "global warming" (as opposed to "climate change") suggests a shift in the mean of long term temperature cycles.

 

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Humans don't have a role in climate change or global warming. Unless you count the hot air coming out of Oties and Al Gores mouths .

 

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  posted on 2/14/2010 at 12:52 AM
I didn't know whether to laugh or shake my head at that commercial. No doubt there are people that wouldn't mind living in a society like that, maybe even some people on this board? I have incandescent light bulbs stockpiled, come and get me.


 

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  posted on 2/14/2010 at 09:29 AM
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Humans don't have a role in climate change or global warming. Unless you count the hot air coming out of Oties and Al Gores mouths .


I read this as "humans have no impact whatsoever on the environment." I don't see how any thinking person can believe that.

Screw Belize, JPB. I hear there's some great real estate at Love Canal. Cheap.

 

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If I want to move somewhere cheap, I will move to Vegas.

As for climate change/global warming. I am thinking, that is why I don't believe in it. If you want to believe that nonesense, go ahead. I choose not to.

 

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You have to be a real chump to fall for that global warming crap. It is scary how easy it is to fool people. It is usually easiest to fool the ones who think they are the smartest. Just dangle something cutting edge in front of their noses and they are yours.


I think in some cases it's not as much BELIEVING in something, but HATING something else --- like the big oil companies, for example.

 

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If I want to move somewhere cheap, I will move to Vegas.

As for climate change/global warming. I am thinking, that is why I don't believe in it. If you want to believe that nonesense, go ahead. I choose not to.

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You have to be a real chump to fall for that global warming crap. It is scary how easy it is to fool people. It is usually easiest to fool the ones who think they are the smartest. Just dangle something cutting edge in front of their noses and they are yours.

I notice that plenty of people around here give you a hard time but many of your posts are right on the money. I think they just get annoyed because you know more than they do. I don't agree with everything you say but I have learned plenty from your posts.


Did anyone see that story about speed skating in Holland dusing the Olympics broadcast? They talked about how speed skaing is a huge sport over there. They also talked about this 120 mile race they have on the frozen canals every winter. I mean the 120 mile race they used to have. It hasn't been run since 1997 because the canals haven't frozen completely since then. But of course, global warming is a myth...

Actually the chemicals that have been dumped in the canals have lowered the freezing point.

 

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If I want to move somewhere cheap, I will move to Vegas.

As for climate change/global warming. I am thinking, that is why I don't believe in it. If you want to believe that nonesense, go ahead. I choose not to.

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You have to be a real chump to fall for that global warming crap. It is scary how easy it is to fool people. It is usually easiest to fool the ones who think they are the smartest. Just dangle something cutting edge in front of their noses and they are yours.

I notice that plenty of people around here give you a hard time but many of your posts are right on the money. I think they just get annoyed because you know more than they do. I don't agree with everything you say but I have learned plenty from your posts.


Did anyone see that story about speed skating in Holland dusing the Olympics broadcast? They talked about how speed skaing is a huge sport over there. They also talked about this 120 mile race they have on the frozen canals every winter. I mean the 120 mile race they used to have. It hasn't been run since 1997 because the canals haven't frozen completely since then. But of course, global warming is a myth...

Actually the chemicals that have been dumped in the canals have lowered the freezing point.


Actually the report said it hasn't been cold enough.

True. It hasn't been cold enough to freeze the polluted canals.

 

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Looks to me like we're both right.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5091H020090110

Dutch take to skates as cold snap freezes canals
Sat, Jan 10 2009
By Reed Stevenson

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch strapped on skates and flocked to icy canals this weekend as freezing temperatures afforded an increasingly rare chance to skate across their flat country.

After more than a week of cold, an estimated 2.3 million skaters, out of a population of 16 million, have taken to frozen canals and lakes, according to a poll released ahead of the weekend.

That number is expected to double if Queen Beatrix decides to don her skates as well.

"The number of opportunities you have to skate in the Dutch winter is decreasing," said Jochem van de Laarschot, who usually speaks on behalf of Dutch food retailer Ahold but took a half a day off last week to skate.

"Once the opportunity comes up you have to get your skates out and jump on the ice," he said.

Warmer global temperatures have led to less natural ice forming in the low-lying Netherlands, where the topography of interconnected waterways makes it an ideal winter skating playground. Speed skating is the national sport.The situation has been further complicated by the lowering of the freezing point of the canal waters due to pollution.

Anticipation is growing for the "Elfstedentocht" or "11 Cities Tour," a national event where speed skaters race along a 200-km (120-mile) course beginning and ending in the northern city of Leeuwarden.

This year marks the 100th year since the race began and if held, the tour would be the first in over a decade.

Because of the thousands of skaters -- both professional and amateur -- participating in the marathon, nearly all of the ice along the route must be at least 15-cm (6-inches) thick.

Dutch newspapers track the thickness of ice daily and feature detailed maps pointing people to long stretches where ice skating is allowed.

Skates are sold out in stores after many who thought that ice would never return to the Netherlands threw their rusty blades away or simply lost them.

Several canals in the capital Amsterdam have frozen over but the ice is not yet thick enough to deliver the rare treat of skating across the city's frozen waterways.

Hospitals have reinforced staff to deal with an influx of skaters with wrist and hip injuries and at least one man died after falling through thin ice.

(Reporting by Reed Stevenson; editing by Michael Roddy)

 

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The point I was trying to make is that global warming is a fact, whether people want to believe it or not.

Hehehe...OK, I'll admit it, I was just effing with you. The Daytona 500 has been red flagged for hours due to a pot hole. They're showing cross-country skiing on the Olympics...nothing more boring than that. It's been a slow day on the WP, so I figured what the hell, I'll try to start something while downloading some NMAS off archive.org. I don't really know a damn thing about the canals, or global warming for that matter.

 

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The point I was trying to make is that global warming is a fact, whether people want to believe it or not.

Hehehe...OK, I'll admit it, I was just effing with you. The Daytona 500 has been red flagged for hours due to a pot hole. They're showing cross-country skiing on the Olympics...nothing more boring than that. It's been a slow day on the WP, so I figured what the hell, I'll try to start something while downloading some NMAS off archive.org. I don't really know a damn thing about the canals, or global warming for that matter.


That was a pretty good stab at it.

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A Rare Deep Freeze Warms the Dutch Soul
By JOHN TAGLIABUE
NIEUWERKERK AAN DEN IJSSEL, the Netherlands — For the first time in 12 years, the Netherlands’ canals froze this month, bringing the Dutch, who like their tulips in neat rows, a heady mix of pandemonium and euphoria.

Hundreds of thousands of skaters, their cheeks as red as apples in the subzero temperatures, took to the ice, and hospital wards were filled with dozens of people with fractured arms, sprained ankles and broken legs.

Train engineers were ordered to go slowly to avoid hitting skaters who clambered over railway tracks to get from one frozen canal to another. Even the minister of defense, an avid skater, fell and broke his wrist. His ministry announced that the national defense remained in safe hands, even if one of them was in a cast.

In the 19th century, when Hans Brinker, the hero of the novel in which he tries to win a pair of silver skates, coasted along Holland’s ice, the canals froze almost every year. But water pollution and climate change have made this so rare that today a boy of 15, Brinker’s age, may never have seen a frozen canal, or at least remember one. Until, that is, this year.

“For us, it’s in our genes,” said Gus Gustafsson, 68, a retired insurance executive, explaining why he and his wife rushed out to buy new skates and take to the ice under a cloudless blue sky. “It was like a frenzy that came over people, including lots of kids, like my granddaughter, who is 5.” With thousands of others, they skated northeast toward Utrecht, then toward the cheese capital, Gouda.

With an influx of immigrants, the country has been struggling to maintain what it considers its Dutch soul, and Mr. Gustafsson was one of many here who thought the skating experience enabled the Dutch to reconnect with their identity. “There were only Dutch people on the ice,” he went on. “I saw no people of Arab descent.”

But André Bonthuis, who has been mayor in this town of 23,000 people for the past 20 years, said he saw Indonesians and Moroccans, among other newcomers to the Netherlands, on the ice. “It’s rather new for people from Morocco,” he said. But he agreed there was something very Dutch about canal skating, which is depicted in paintings by Dutch masters as early as the 17th century.

“Water is our friend, and 10 percent of our area is water,” he said. “From the oldest days, in very little villages, people could skate to each other.”

Mr. Bonthuis, 59, said he skated with friends recently but also spent a lot of time just skating meditatively alone, leaning slightly forward, arms crossed behind the back. “It’s nice to skate when there is a beautiful view of the fields,” he said. “You see a lot of people skating alone.”

Asked whether the skating frenzy had an economic impact, or perhaps had helped the Dutch forget the downturn, he replied: “Everybody took days off.” He added: “A lot of Dutch canceled ski holidays, so that hurt the economy, at least in the ski resorts.”

But over at Haitsma, a big hardware and skating supply store, Henk Haitsma, 62, the owner, was not complaining. His shelves were swept clean. “I sold 3,000 to 4,000 pairs of skates in the last 10 days,” he said. In that time frame he would have sold several hundred in other years.

The Dutch, famed for their champion speed skaters, like to go first class on the ice. The most expensive pair Mr. Haitsma sells, fancy skates with hinged blades, retails for $1,190. Other expensive models have removable linings that are put in a microwave oven, then pulled over the skater’s foot, where they shrink to the perfect size. Many of the store’s skates have removable blades, enabling skaters to walk off the ice without damaging their blades.

Monique Matze says she just hopes skaters stay off the railroad tracks. She is the spokeswoman for ProRail, which operates the Dutch railway tracks, and she was troubled by the numbers of skaters crossing the rails, many wearing bulky skates.

“When our tracks run over water and people want to get from one side to the other, they just climb over,” she said. There had been no accidents, she said, but she added: “This weekend there were a lot, lot of skaters, and we had no means to facilitate crossings, so the only thing we could do was to caution them.”

There may have been no railway accidents, but there were plenty of other mishaps. The defense minister, Eimert Van Middelkoop, “fell on a rough spot on the ice,” according to a statement by the ministry. This week he was back at his desk, with his arm in a cast.

“He’s over 60; he shouldn’t have been skating,” said Henk Van Engelenburg, a retired architect, with a laugh. Mr. Van Engelenburg, 74, who makes his home in a restored 17th century windmill, said his wife, who loved to skate, had a problem hip. “She cried because she couldn’t skate,” he said. But his 6-year-old grandson was on the ice, pushing a chair to avoid falling, the traditional Dutch way of teaching children to skate.

By this week, the rain and clouds of the usual Dutch winter were back. Weather experts said that the cold snap that brought the ice earlier in the month was caused by cold air that came rolling in from the east, across Germany and into the Netherlands. It was “favorable weather for skating,” said Harry Geurts, a spokesman for the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute, in nearby De Bilt. “Lots of sun, little wind, really incredible.”

Mr. Geurts said he did not skate. “I just like to walk in the woods,” he said. “When you have freezing fog, it’s fantastic.”

Oddly, though, the cold swept across only the southern Netherlands and not the north. That mattered because this year is the 100th anniversary of the first race across frozen canals through 11 cities in the north, and it has been repeated every year in the past century when there has been ice.

Will there be another cold snap to freeze the canals of the 11 cities tour? “Not in the coming weeks,” Mr. Geurts said. “At the earliest, in February.”





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But water pollution and climate change have made this so rare that today a boy of 15, Brinker’s age, may never have seen a frozen canal, or at least remember one. Until, that is, this year.

Hey! I'm smarter than I thought!

I shouldn't have been so quick to fess up.

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The point I was trying to make is that global warming is a fact, whether people want to believe it or not.


Ah, the great Otie has spoke. Case closed. LOL.

The only thing that is a fact is that the earth heats and the earth cools.

The debate is, does man affect the climate and temperature? The man making millions off the masses, Mr. Gore, says it does. Some scientist agree (the ones on his payroll), while other scientist are not so fast to agree. The debate will continue. You can choose to believe the propaganda or you can choose to question what they are spoon feeding you and making millions off of.

I am not saying it isn't real, I am just saying that I am not "sold" on the idea either. The debate will go on for another day and the final word has not been written yet.

Global warming/Climate Change to me is like some kind religion that the followers are "all in" on and the naysayers are to be shunned like they worship the devil.

 

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When I think of global warming questions abound.

What is the balance between sacrifice and cost? Is there a point of diminishing returns? If we go all in to stop global warming what are we giving up on the other end? Economic prosperity? The productivity and wealth of our nation or people? The lifestyle of our people? Our freedoms? At what point do we reach a point that spending "x" to fight global warming has a negative financial and/or economic impact on our country, our way of life? And how much can we do, are we willing to do, in order to make meaningful change, and what is meaningful change?

What was the carbon footprint of the Daytona 500 today compared to the economic impact the event?

Is it right to mandate how people live their lives and what products they must use in their daily affairs in the name of fighting climate change - something that happens on its own naturally and historically, something that in the whole scheme of things would very likely happen without man's existence. Only the timetable in which it happens, the extent of man's role in the natural process is in question. So how far do we take the fight against a naturally occurring process and at what cost, what end result is an acceptable end?

I want to keep the decision making authority on the products I want to buy and use and how much energy I want to use depending on availability and cost. I buy and drink beverages in plastic bottles. I recycle those bottles. I own and drive 4x4 and SUVs. Our family also owns a 4 cyl car for transportation when it is more practical. I buy made in the USA incandescent bulbs over Chinese made CFLs. We don't leave lights on unnecessarily. We burn oil to heat our home and to make that oil and our dollar go as far as possible, we put plastic on our windows and additional weatherstriping around our doors to help reduce our oil consumption. Our AC usage is a balance between comfort and economical electric bills. These are decisions I and everyone else is free to make. Please do not have government tell me how to live my life in order to save the world, assuming that is even possible.

 

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I'm not sure there will be no action. I am concerned about handing over even a sliver of our sovereignty to some kind of international climate group, or having international law placed upon us related to carbon emissions. In any event I want the decisions that will effect our country to be made by our representatives, whether I agree with them or not, i want our elected reps determining our countries fate.

But then the decisions and legislation that do effect our lives coming out of Washington: how about the types of cars and trucks we can buy, the entire decision making process on that isn't solely in the hands of the auto companies. Or the concept of taxing mileage driven as a way to reduce fuel usage as driving distances gets more expensive. Or something like proposing higher registration fees or taxes for less fuel efficient vehicles when you go down to the BMV. Something like 50% of my electricity is generated by coal. Mandating energy companies to use less coal and more "green" sources will make my energy more expensive, will I be forced to use less based on what I can afford because of this mandate? What was the exact language in the 2008 Energy Bill, phasing out incandescent light bulbs in favor of CFLs? Taking away consumer choice of buying an American made product to force them to buy foreign made product, almost seems par for the course in light of the one sided trade agreements our legislators enter into.

I'd like auto companies to build the cars and trucks they determine their customers want without government steering them in a certain direction for political purposes.

I'd like to drive wherever, whenever I want based on a more natural supply/demand fuel price equation. Not a tax structure that makes traveling more expensive based on mileage driven.

The registration for my 1979 CJ7 should be the same cost as the comparably sized 2005 Jeep Wrangler, not discriminated against because of age or fuel efficiency. I'll determine if it is affordable to drive a less fuel efficient vehicle without the government trying to persuade me with taxes and fees.

I want our energy companies to utilize a natural resource in our ground to produce energy as cheaply as possible. Silly me to hear Obama on the campaign trail, I thought he was a supporter of coal too. I don't want a push towards more alternative sources at the expense of more cost efficient sources which make my electric bill go up. I think all energy sources should be utilized, that includes fossil fuels and green sources, if we have coal, let's use it.

And damn it, I want to buy made in the USA light bulbs!

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If I want to move somewhere cheap, I will move to Vegas.

As for climate change/global warming. I am thinking, that is why I don't believe in it. If you want to believe that nonesense, go ahead. I choose not to.


You totally missed the point I was making.

You have assumed (probably because of my political stances) that I am "all in" on the climate issue. I am not. You won't find any post here from me, ever, that has me supporting or doubting the whole deal. I still feel, as I have always felt, that the issue is polarized on a political basis due to the extreme dislike that many have of Al Gore and liberals in general. On that premise, the issue is nearly worthless to discuss, purely IMO.

However, as goes to my last post, I think the notion that man has no impact on the environment whatsoever is silly. Tell you what, what do you think would happen if we abolished the EPA and any and all international rules regarding what gets pumped into the air, what gets buried in the ground and what gets dumped into streams, rivers and oceans. Do you think that the Earth can take it? No long term effects on anything?

As to whether or not I'm a "thinking person," that's pretty rich coming from a guy that believes everything he wants to believe about consipiracies and the like at pure face value.

 

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[qoute]You have assumed (probably because of my political stances) that I am "all in" on the climate issue. I am not. You won't find any post here from me, ever, that has me supporting or doubting the whole deal. I still feel, as I have always felt, that the issue is polarized on a political basis due to the extreme dislike that many have of Al Gore and liberals in general. On that premise, the issue is nearly worthless to discuss, purely IMO.


I will agree with you on that. . I am strictly talking about global warming/climate change. Not the environment in general. So yes, I missed your point there. I don't think man has any effect on climate change/global warming. Of course, that is just my opinion.

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  posted on 2/15/2010 at 01:11 PM
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I will agree with you on that. . I am strictly talking about global warming/climate change. Not the environment in general. So yes, I missed your point there. I don't think man has any effect on climate change/global warming. Of course, that is just my opinion.


Fair enough.

 

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