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  posted on 2/1/2010 at 11:30 PM


[Edited on 1/6/2012 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 2/1/2010 at 11:51 PM
Guess they could join the young republicans instead......or just keep playing Xbox.....

 

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  posted on 2/1/2010 at 11:52 PM
Does it seem funny to anybody else that Saul Alinsky's book is bad, but they mention Atlas Shrugs?

 

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  posted on 2/1/2010 at 11:55 PM
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this sounds voluntary to me. Public schools in the U.S. have been used to push capitalistic propaganda that portrays us as a completely moral and innocent nation without fault since day one. And, that misinformation is not something we volunteer to hear.


Who do you think writes the history books? or rewrites them? Who do you think controls the University's and is the teachers and professors? It's not the right wing? Just sayin'.

[Edited on 2/2/2010 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 2/1/2010 at 11:59 PM
The historians?


Which university - Oral Roberts?

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:03 AM
I can't say it even comes close to enlisting the supreme court to help get a republican elected.....but thanks for playing.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 09:26 AM
How about a little faith in people?

All I really see here is "reading is bad!"

What's next, JPB? Book-burnings?

I've read Mein Kampf. Ugh. What self-pitying drivel. I'm not a Nazi as a result. Read half of The Turner Diaries one day in a comic book store while bored. What an idiotic waste of paper and ink. I'm not a white supremacist as a result. I've perused The Satanic Bible. Anton LaVey cetainly knew how to party, but I'm not a Satanist as a result. I've read things at al-Jazeera. Wow, does the other side of the world look at things differently. I'm not converting to Islam as a result.

However, I've never read Rules For Radicals. As a matter of fact, and quite ironically, if it weren't for right-wingers, I might have made it through life without knowing that book even existed.

Now, fear of books outta the way...

Here's a simple exercise you can employ whenever you see things like this. You can take them at 100% face value, which is your choice. This is an easy choice to make when one is predispositioned to believe what it says.

However, I took the phrase "OFA Spring 2010 National Organizing Internship" and plopped in Google. What came up was this from the OFA website:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/jenniferlopez/gGG5qM

On that blogpost (yes, a phucking blogpost, apparently the revolution will not be televised, it will be blogged!) is provides a link to the Spring Internship Application - Organizing for America Nevada, which is here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGtqMmZkbWxEWWVkbncxbzAyVTc 4a2c6MA

I'd like to know just exactly where on that page it says that one should read "Rules For Radicals."

Here is the homepage for OFA-Nevada:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/nvhome

I'd like to know just exactly where on that page it says that one should read "Rules For Radicals."

Thanks in advance for your reply.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 11:10 AM
Bump for JPB, if he happens to stop back by...

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:04 PM
"Rules For Radicals" is a great book! It should be required reading for every American kid.


Barack Hussein Obama

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:05 PM
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"Rules For Radicals" is a great book! It should be required reading for every American kid.


Barack Hussein Obama

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Whatever that means.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:21 PM
Have we come to the point where no charge is too outrageous to post?

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:24 PM
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"Rules For Radicals" is a great book! It should be required reading for every American kid.


Barack Hussein Obama

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Whatever that means.


Have you read it? When I was a kid I couldn't put it down!

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:44 PM
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this sounds voluntary to me. Public schools in the U.S. have been used to push capitalistic propaganda that portrays us as a completely moral and innocent nation without fault since day one. And, that misinformation is not something we volunteer to hear.


When I went to school I did not receive this capitalistic propaganda. Instead I learned about the history that actually happened warts and all.

 

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"Rules For Radicals" is a great book! It should be required reading for every American kid.


Barack Hussein Obama

mmm mmm mmm!


Whatever that means.


Have you read it? When I was a kid I couldn't put it down!


Nope. Never even seen a copy of it.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:45 PM
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How about a little faith in people?

All I really see here is "reading is bad!"

What's next, JPB? Book-burnings?

I've read Mein Kampf. Ugh. What self-pitying drivel. I'm not a Nazi as a result. Read half of The Turner Diaries one day in a comic book store while bored. What an idiotic waste of paper and ink. I'm not a white supremacist as a result. I've perused The Satanic Bible. Anton LaVey cetainly knew how to party, but I'm not a Satanist as a result. I've read things at al-Jazeera. Wow, does the other side of the world look at things differently. I'm not converting to Islam as a result.

However, I've never read Rules For Radicals. As a matter of fact, and quite ironically, if it weren't for right-wingers, I might have made it through life without knowing that book even existed.

Now, fear of books outta the way...

Here's a simple exercise you can employ whenever you see things like this. You can take them at 100% face value, which is your choice. This is an easy choice to make when one is predispositioned to believe what it says.

However, I took the phrase "OFA Spring 2010 National Organizing Internship" and plopped in Google. What came up was this from the OFA website:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/jenniferlopez/gGG5qM

On that blogpost (yes, a phucking blogpost, apparently the revolution will not be televised, it will be blogged!) is provides a link to the Spring Internship Application - Organizing for America Nevada, which is here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGtqMmZkbWxEWWVkbncxbzAyVTc 4a2c6MA

I'd like to know just exactly where on that page it says that one should read "Rules For Radicals."

Here is the homepage for OFA-Nevada:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/nvhome

I'd like to know just exactly where on that page it says that one should read "Rules For Radicals."

Thanks in advance for your reply.


You're going to find the following hard to believe but I am going to support your above statement as follows:

When I was in 10th grade I wrote a report on the Communist Manifesto which I read for social studies. It obviously did not make me a Marxist.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 12:57 PM
I agree.....I read everything I can....I like to know what's out there, otherwise how will I know what's going on?

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 01:17 PM
On the other hand, it is one thing to be given something like the Communist Manifesto and asked to think critically about it and another to be TOLD that certain things are correct or not correct. The latter IS propaganda and DOES happen. We have all seen the anectdotes. So the answer is yes, read everything but understand what you are reading and don't give students political indoctrination.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 02:26 PM
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"Rules For Radicals" is a great book! It should be required reading for every American kid.


Barack Hussein Obama

mmm mmm mmm!


Whatever that means.


Have you read it? When I was a kid I couldn't put it down!


Actually the question is have YOU read it? Since you are sitting here knocking it, dont take the word of wackadoodle Newsbusters or those other idiots at Free Republic. Have the balls to actually pick it up and read it yourself. I promise, you wont become a 'radical' and you might actually learn something. Books and reading are not bad no matter how much the Right hates the concept. At the very least, read Bhawks post. Excellent.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 02:28 PM
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Thanks in advance for your reply.


What? JPB got taken in again by Rightwing propaganda and lies? No way!

Here is a clue for JPB and the others here that believe this tripe: If the claim is outrageous, its probably bullshiat.

Have a great day.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 02:32 PM
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On the other hand, it is one thing to be given something like the Communist Manifesto and asked to think critically about it and another to be TOLD that certain things are correct or not correct.9/quote]

So, where is Obama doing this?

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The latter IS propaganda and DOES happen. We have all seen the anectdotes. So the answer is yes, read everything but understand what you are reading and don't give students political indoctrination.


LOL... what exactly is 'political indoctrination' to you? Meanwhile, almost anything can be considered political if its twisted enough. How about we encourage students to read whatever they want as long as they read? And no, I havent missed the point of a member of the Right trying to lecture us on propaganda and indoctrination. You apparently have missed the point entirely...or that some propaganda and political indoctrination is ok as long as you agree with it.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 02:45 PM
Assuming this group is recommending that the interns read the book, then that "recommendation" is not to stimulate their intellectual curiosity, it's an implicit endorsement of the philosophy.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 04:49 PM
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On the other hand, it is one thing to be given something like the Communist Manifesto and asked to think critically about it and another to be TOLD that certain things are correct or not correct.9/quote]

So, where is Obama doing this?

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The latter IS propaganda and DOES happen. We have all seen the anectdotes. So the answer is yes, read everything but understand what you are reading and don't give students political indoctrination.


LOL... what exactly is 'political indoctrination' to you? Meanwhile, almost anything can be considered political if its twisted enough. How about we encourage students to read whatever they want as long as they read? And no, I havent missed the point of a member of the Right trying to lecture us on propaganda and indoctrination. You apparently have missed the point entirely...or that some propaganda and political indoctrination is ok as long as you agree with it.


The right can do it too. For example in the past students were taught that the Indians were bad and the whites good in that battle. That would be propaganda of the right. I agree that a good teacher lets students think for themselves but you know and I know that that is frequently not the case.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 05:04 PM
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On the other hand, it is one thing to be given something like the Communist Manifesto and asked to think critically about it and another to be TOLD that certain things are correct or not correct. The latter IS propaganda and DOES happen. We have all seen the anectdotes. So the answer is yes, read everything but understand what you are reading and don't give students political indoctrination.


That's exactly how I felt about mandatory Bible reading in the school. I don't want someone else's intrepretation of the Bible....I'll figure it out myself.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 06:18 PM
I read "Steal This Book".

I've never stolen a book.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2010 at 07:17 PM
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Assuming this group is recommending that the interns read the book, then that "recommendation" is not to stimulate their intellectual curiosity, it's an implicit endorsement of the philosophy.


So when I took a class on Soviet History in college, I was supposed to assume that all the reading material was philosophically endorsed by the History department?

This is just anti-intellectual hogwash. People are free to take their recommendation and read the book, or not read the book. Either way they are completely free to reach their own conclusions.


Sorry, anti-intellectual I'm not...There is a big difference between reading something as part of a course of study and reading it because a group you're applying to join recommends that you do. Of course they're free to reach their own conclusions, you don't need to state the obvious, but the message is clear, "This is how we think."

Regardless, is it your opinion that the internship program is, or is not endorsing the philosophy of the book? You used some fancy words, but never really said.

 

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