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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 05:39 PM
WHY MARTHA COAKLEY LOST...From a Massachusetts' Journalist Perspective.

Beware Pundits Who See a National Trend in What Was a Very Porochial Senate Race.

By Tom Vannah
The Valley Advocate

The national media was self-serving, negligent and utterly stupid in attempting
to inject into the race--before and after the election--two issues THAT WERE NOT
PARTICULARLY RELEVANT ON THE LOCAL LEVEL.

Coakley's loss HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE REFORM AND EVEN
LESS TO DO WITH THE RELATIVE POPULARITY OF BARACK OBAMA. In addition
to the long list of Coakley's failings as a candidate and the shorter list of Brown's
simple charms, anyone deconstructing this race should also look at the lingering
hostility over gay marriage across the state, and at the long running antipathy
within the state Democratic establishment toward former state attorney general
and one-time gubernatorial candidate Scott L. Harshbarger and his proteges,
including former AG and failed guberrnatorial candidate Tom Reilly and, now,
Coakley.

The gay marriage issue should have been obvious to anyone who's ever tuned
in to the Howie Carr Show on WRKO in Boston (and syndicated regionally).
In a state often identified as liberal despite its string of Republican governors
before the election of Deval Patrick, Carr is a coalescing force among many
working class conservatives, the so-called "white ethnics" who traditionally
supported white ethnic Democrats like the Kennedys, but have more often
supported Republicans in the years since Ronald Reagan was president.

Carr continued to stoke the resentment spurred by, among other things, the
advancement of gay rights in Massachusetts, an issue particularly thorny among
Catholic voters. While polling may suggest strong support for gay marriage
in the state, Carr talks to those who believe it was shoved down their throats
by people like Martha Coakley--not just Democrats, but the "moonbat" wing
of the party.

"Vote for Brown if they ignored you when you voted for the death penalty, and
to cut income taxes, and they wouldn't even let you vote on gay marriage," Carr
wrote in his election-day Boston Herald column. Carr's constituency was primed
to animate Brown's insurgent campaign.

The antipathy toward what could be called the Harshbarger wing of the Democratic
party may not be as palpable as it was when the former AG ran for governor.
Harshbarger had made a name for himself as a reformer and "good-government"
type by launching public trust investigations that targeted Democrats like Springfield
Congressman Richard Neal. Despite his popularity among many dissaffected
Democrats, Harshbarger was done in by machine Democrats who painted him as
part of the state's "loony left," to borrow a line from ex-State House Speaker Tom
Finneran. Neal, who has the ability to put many boots on the ground for a
candidate he likes, didn't lift a finger for Harshbarger.

It's apparent that machine pols were not particularly eager to support Coakley.
Neal and fellow Congressmen John Olver, Stephen Lynch, Jim McGovern,
Jim Tierney, Ed Markey and Barney Frank all supported Coakley's
opponent, Congressman Mike Capuano, in the primary. Neal didn't officially
endorse Coakley in the general election until Jan. 8--in a muted endorsement
that came long after Coakley's campaign was in obvious trouble.

About 2.2 million ballots were cast in this race, which was decided by little
more than 100,000 votes. TO USE THE OUTCOME AS ANY INDICATION OF
A BROAD NATIONAL TREND IS FOOLISH AT BEST, AND NEARLY CRIMINAL
WHEN DONE BY THE NATIONAL WAGS WITH NO FEEL FOR THE
COMPLICATED POLITICS OF THE BAYSTATE.

[Edited on 1/28/2010 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 06:34 PM
If someone wants to be elected anywhere they'd better get the sports teams and players right! And that's the truth!

 

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 06:37 PM
I'm glad these are the reasons and not Obama's hard swing to the left, because that could cause problems come November....whew!

Glad we have that figured out.

 

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Obama is NOT Left Wing. Here's why...

Bailing out Banks/Corporations doesn't make you left wing.
Increasing Troops in Afghanistan doesn't make you left wing.
When Obama said he wanted to freeze the budget except for defense spending, that
didn't sound like a left wing president to me, sounds more right wing to me.

[Edited on 1/28/2010 by woodsdweller]

 

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Obama is NOT Left Wing. Here's why...

Bailing out Banks/Corporations doesn't make you left wing.
Increasing Troops in Afghanistan doesn't make you left wing.
When Obama said he wanted to freeze the budget except for defense spending, that
didn't sound like a left wing president to me, sounds more right wing to me.

[Edited on 1/28/2010 by woodsdweller]


To Howard Zinn or other socialists Obama might seem right wing. But within the boundaries of this countries essentially centrist and stable politics, he is very far to the left.

 

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I'm glad these are the reasons and not Obama's hard swing to the left, because that could cause problems come November....whew!

Glad we have that figured out.


No, Obama's done. He uses a teleprompter and says "I" a lot. He clearly has to go.


Ok, you guys have convinced me. Continue on the road you are on.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 09:42 PM
No, I'm sure it is because of Obama. That's how I decide who to vote for for the Senate. Whether I like the current president. I'm sure that's what everyone else does, too.

 

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No, I'm sure it is because of Obama. That's how I decide who to vote for for the Senate. Whether I like the current president. I'm sure that's what everyone else does, too.


People do do that. It's why the president's party normally loses seats in the mid term election. We will see in November. But it does not appear Coakley lost because she thought Schilling was a Yankee fan. And that's not giving the voters of Mass. very much credit.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 10:08 PM
Haveing lived in Alabama for a number of years and in Oklahoma before that, I can tell you for certain, blowing a sports reference doesn't help in a bid for election.

 

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Obama is NOT Left Wing. Here's why...

Bailing out Banks/Corporations doesn't make you left wing.
Increasing Troops in Afghanistan doesn't make you left wing.
When Obama said he wanted to freeze the budget except for defense spending, that
didn't sound like a left wing president to me, sounds more right wing to me.

[Edited on 1/28/2010 by woodsdweller]


To Howard Zinn or other socialists Obama might seem right wing. But within the boundaries of this countries essentially centrist and stable politics, he is very far to the left.



"This country's essentially centrist and stable politics"....hmm.....interesting.

Did you actually go to all 50 states and confirm from every single registered
voter (from all 50 states) that they all consider themselves "centrist"?

Good God.

I'm very surprised that you voted for Obama seeing how you consider him "far to the left."
I think you would've been happier with McCain.

 

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I'm glad these are the reasons and not Obama's hard swing to the left, because that could cause problems come November....whew!

Glad we have that figured out.


"Hard swing to the left?" You're kidding, right? If not, please provide some examples of how he's "swung to the left." Thanks in advance....

 

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  posted on 1/29/2010 at 09:17 AM
Aside from Curt Schilling, saying that there are no terrorists in Afghanistan...also not a good move.
 

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  posted on 1/29/2010 at 09:59 AM
I don't recall the numbers, but exit polls that night suggested voters considered the national impact of the election among other factors. Gay marriage, Curt Schilling, the death penalty and taxes either weren't questioned or not cited by voters.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2010 at 01:14 PM
A Senate seat held by a Kennedy for 50 years. A seat that guaranteed the Progressives a super majority in the Senate. The Health Care Reform bill essentially on the line. This election was about alot more than just a local election. It impacted the whole United States with just that one little seat. The Progressives can try to marginalize it, but it was a huge defeat for them. On top of that, Obama campaigning for her did absolutely nothing. Should the Progressives be worried? Of course. Every democrat up for re-election looked at this campaign and is going to rething every vote they make. They have been served notice that no seat is safe and put the Republicans on the offensive while sending the Progressives on the defensive.

Just one election? I don't think so.

The POTUS has no coattails.

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Bailing out Banks/Corporations doesn't make you left wing.
Increasing Troops in Afghanistan doesn't make you left wing.
When Obama said he wanted to freeze the budget except for defense spending


So why are the left wingers so supportive of Obama when they hated Bush? I agree. There has been no change in DC. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

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Obama is NOT Left Wing. Here's why...

Bailing out Banks/Corporations doesn't make you left wing.
Increasing Troops in Afghanistan doesn't make you left wing.
When Obama said he wanted to freeze the budget except for defense spending, that
didn't sound like a left wing president to me, sounds more right wing to me.

[Edited on 1/28/2010 by woodsdweller]


To Howard Zinn or other socialists Obama might seem right wing. But within the boundaries of this countries essentially centrist and stable politics, he is very far to the left.



"This country's essentially centrist and stable politics"....hmm.....interesting.

Did you actually go to all 50 states and confirm from every single registered
voter (from all 50 states) that they all consider themselves "centrist"?

Good God.

I'm very surprised that you voted for Obama seeing how you consider him "far to the left."
I think you would've been happier with McCain.


1. First of all, what a cop out it is to say did I actually confirm from every single registered voter. Obviously I did not do that nor do pollsters nor do any of the pundits. They base things on polls and on voting patters.,

2. I did not say every single person is centrist. Obviously that is not true. Instead I said what is plain and simply fact. On the broad spectrum of left/right, the United States of America is and has always been a centrist country. The majority of voters in this country have an essentially centrist perspective. Polls and voting patterns have demonstrated this for the last century. My point, which stands, is that Obama would be regarded as a centrist or even right wing by someone like Howard Zinn. That is because Howard Zinn was a socialist. Anyone who believes in free enterprise as we know it is right of the true socialists like Howard Zinn.

3. Like most centrist independents, I lean towards the candidate I consider the best and closest to the most important views I believe in. I do not automatically subscribe these views to either the Democratic or Republican party. I voted for Obama because I thought he would govern more pragmatically than he has, because I have never particularly cared for John McCain and because I thought a 73 year old president with Sarah Palin as VP would be unwise.

4. This country does not elect socialists. Our most left wing president of modern times before Obama is probably either FDR or LBJ. Both were believers in the capitalist system. I believe Obama believes in it as well.

 

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I don't recall the numbers, but exit polls that night suggested voters considered the national impact of the election among other factors. Gay marriage, Curt Schilling, the death penalty and taxes either weren't questioned or not cited by voters.


Maybe, but it is still the voters of one state deciding one Senate seat. No singular state speaks for the rest of the country, no matter what anyone thinks.


Again, it's a canary in a coal mine. And the people in Washington are smart enough to know it which is why Health Care is not going to pass in it's current form right now.

 

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She lost because America is not a progressive minded nation.And their sick & tired of Obama's agenda.Folk's across this land are starting to see crystal clear of where Hussein is wanting to take this country,and they don't want it.
Hopefully Osama & Obama will be room-mates in a cave one day.

 

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I think I had an epiphany the other day.....the right wing is pro war machine and big business and they fight programs and policies that help people. The left is more concerned about the individual than the corporations or war machine and they fight against both. Perhaps the founding fathers knew what they were doing in limiting the president to two terms. That way neither party can stay in power too long. As strongly as people are against Obama, I was equally as adamant in my disapproval with Bush.

 

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She lost because America is not a progressive minded nation.And their sick & tired of Obama's agenda.Folk's across this land are starting to see crystal clear of where Hussein is wanting to take this country,and they don't want it.
Hopefully Osama & Obama will be room-mates in a cave one day.
America not progressive minded? Are you saying that Americans are stupid and backwards thinking and not concerned with their futures? What exactly do you mean by that statement, Luke? Thankfully, 'progressive minded' or not, I think the majority of American's do at least have enough intelligence to recognize the difference between the 2 men you're sticking in 'a cave' together (and are intelligent enough to know what each of those mens names actually are and not imply that a similarity in sound of a name automatically signals a similarity in mindset and/or what lives within a person).

[Edited on 1/29/2010 by lolasdeb]

 

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She lost because she was arrogant and thought she had the election in the bag. When was the last time Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator ? 1972 !! She ran a lousy campaign. She got beat. And now there is spin that there was gender bias. PLEASE !!!!
 

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From what little I know about the whole election, I have to agree with RickyM.

 

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She lost because she was arrogant and thought she had the election in the bag. When was the last time Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator ? 1972 !! She ran a lousy campaign. She got beat. And now there is spin that there was gender bias. PLEASE !!!!


You're right, there prolly wasn't gender bias, she, by all accounts, ran a bad campaign. She didn't react quickly enough when the polls starting turning away from her.
And it appears the polls spun away from her as national stories broke that painted the democrats in a bad light.

 

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I think I had an epiphany the other day.....the right wing is pro war machine and big business and they fight programs and policies that help people. The left is more concerned about the individual than the corporations or war machine and they fight against both. Perhaps the founding fathers knew what they were doing in limiting the president to two terms. That way neither party can stay in power too long. As strongly as people are against Obama, I was equally as adamant in my disapproval with Bush.


Really. You had this epiphany the other day? Because it's all you've been writing in these threads for as long as I've been around here. I think it's a load of bunk on both ends. My view is that people in power seek to stay in power and will use whatever means is available to do so. Powerful people who are "left wing" couldn't give a crap about anyone but themselves (with certain exceptions of course) The same is true of the "right wing"

 

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She lost because she was arrogant and thought she had the election in the bag. When was the last time Massachusetts elected a Republican Senator ? 1972 !! She ran a lousy campaign. She got beat. And now there is spin that there was gender bias. PLEASE !!!!


You're right, there prolly wasn't gender bias, she, by all accounts, ran a bad campaign. She didn't react quickly enough when the polls starting turning away from her.
And it appears the polls spun away from her as national stories broke that painted the democrats in a bad light.


This probably is as close to the truth as there is.

 

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