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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 02:25 PM
I was reading the section on Derek in the wiki last night and came across this quote from Butch.
" Butch Trucks said in 2009, "My nephew is just scary. I have played with a lot of really good guitar players. And with every one of them, I start figuring out what they are going to do ... even with Duane. There are certain patterns they play that lead to something else and you kind of get used to what they are going to do. After all the years of playing with Derek, I still don't have the faintest idea of what he is going to do. Every time he starts off his solo in 'In Memory of Elizabeth Reed', he comes from a different direction. He never does the same thing twice."[22]

One of the many things that amazes me about Derek is that I don't hear any repeated riffs in his solos. OK, he was teasing Little Martha and So What during MFT early in 09, but other than that, his solos seem entirely new each night. Even Duane and Dickey in 70 and 71 had favorite riffs they repeated almost every time - examples would be Stormy Monday, Liz Reed, and YDLM.
Anyone else hear the same thing?

 
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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 12:35 AM
Yea that's why I love to download as many shows as I can from the archive. Every show is different, for the most part. Derek definitely has a pretty huge bag of tricks to pull from. One thing I love about Derek's playing is he can play a classical Indian lick during a Soul tune or a Blues song and totally get away with it. He has gotten to a point with his playing that it seems he almost has total freedom to do whatever he wants and find a way to make it work.

I've heard enough shows to tell you that I have definitely heard him play certain parts of a solo more than once....(You can't expect that to literally ever happen, If he likes the way it sounds he will hopefully use it on more than one occasion)...But, he is always constantly trying to play them differently the third and fourth time

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 02:37 PM
Derek does have his own distinctive licks, yes. There are only so many notes on the guitar and so many ways to play in each key or on each song. I think Butch might've been saying something more general about Derek approaching solos in different ways, building up tension and releasing it at different points and in different ways instead of following a general template.

It's worth pointing out that Derek has been playing guitar for about 20 years now, which is a lot more experience than Duane and Dickey had when the Allmans got together. So as far as designing an approach to a solo goes, he has an edge there.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 05:13 PM
well, I've been listening to AFE since 73 and know every note backwards and forwards 9like many of us here).

I guess this means I need to listen to even more Derek.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2010 at 05:07 PM
as a huge dt fan,i agree 99% with butch. but derek plays one like that is his lick in alomost every song that he plays in the studio and live. he can't hel[ it. it's ingrained in him and he plays it all most unconsciously.

anyone else know what i'm talking about?

 

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  posted on 1/27/2010 at 10:29 PM
I hear certain strategies Derek employs. He LOVEs to completely slow a jam down when it's his turn to solo. Sometimes I enjoy his new twist, sometimes I wish he'd kept with the flow, but he always ends up taking it someplace cool.

A lick I have heard him employ many times is a dissonant bumping-up of a phrase, a three-note ascending lick he will move up chromatically and in a jerky fashion, pushing the beat a bit to add to the urgent and disruptive feel before releasing the tension. He likes to use that in the jazzy jams.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2010 at 11:17 PM
He definatelly use riffs/phrasing that are very farmiliar to all of us. Noone can play things completely different every time out, but I think he almost always uses these riffs as a spring board to go off into uncharted territory. Derek is the most fabulous giutar player that I've heard in a very , very long time. His solos are absolutely mind blowing. He MAY be the best guitar player that I've ever heard.

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 03:34 PM
there are definitely certain patterns. what I have not heard is repeating an entire phrase. For example, in 71 just about every Liz Reed that I've heard Duane played the same (or very similar) trill (I'm not a guitar player so don't know the technical term, but I think you all know the part I mean) - and also the part where he mellows out is very similar. He started the 2nd chorus of Stormy Monday in about the same way (and use the same phrase for Outskirts). YDLM both Duane and Dickey played parts the same way a lot. I don't hear this kind of "repition", for lack of a better word, from Derek.
This comment, by no means, is meant as a knock on Duane or Dickey, just an observation on Dereks playing, which seems to blow my mind more and more all the time.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2010 at 11:35 PM
Its hard to compare Duane and Derek because Duane's career was cut so short and Derek probably would not have bought that guitar at the garage sale without's Duane's insanely creative career. Derek loves playing the same songs a lot to get a lot of different solos out of them and get things just right. It is harder to take on a multitude of songs in a year of touring than to perfect the one's you love to play with.

Butch has mentioned before that the Allman's were playing a group of tunes a bunch so you they could really hit that note when Duane was playing. Its not practice, its perfecting the artform. Derek seems to buy into that. Derek as been able to do more experimenting with the solos in the tunes he loves because he's lived longer. I think Duane would have gone there too. Actually, I think he is right now watching Derek go and helping him a bit

 

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  posted on 2/5/2010 at 11:06 AM
Derek is the most mezmerizing guitarist i have ever heard. His tone is unique. And while he has a certain vibe a style, i agree with Butch...its always new and different.
 
 


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