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  posted on 10/26/2003 at 10:18 PM
wondering if anyone knoew the time signature for the jam part in Desdemona? is it 9/8? Thanks Confused

 

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  posted on 10/26/2003 at 10:56 PM
3/4...

 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 11:23 AM
It feels like 6/8 to me.

Listen to the Otiel bass line. It repeats on a 6 beat pattern. You could write that in 3/4 but
it feels like a 6/8 shuffle to me.

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 11:34 AM
It is 6/8. Or at least the guitar solo section, is definitely 6/8. I would write the whole thing 6/8, I think... Not that I EVER physically write anything...
 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:05 PM
I see your point about the 6/8, and I think I agree, but I can also hear it in a 3/4...

 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:07 PM
There seems to be a fine line between the two sometimes.
 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:13 PM
I guess it also depends on who's perspective you look at it from... Otiel's bass line is in 6/8, but the drums are in a strict 3/4 and the solos toe the line between both...

 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:19 PM

 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:46 PM
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I see your point about the 6/8, and I think I agree, but I can also hear it in a 3/4...


You ain't counting far enough. Listen to what Butch does with his fills. It's 6/8.

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 12:47 PM
The drums in Dreams and Desdemona are just about the same, and the drums in Dreams are in a 3/4...

 

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 03:15 PM
6/8 means there are six notes to a measure and an eighth note gets one count
A measure would have 6 eighth notes.

3/4 would be three notes to a measure and a quarter note gets one count or beat.
A measure would have 3 quarter notes.

You could notate 6/8 as two measures of 3/4, but if the pattern repeats after
the 6th count it is generally written down in 6/8. this makes more sense to the players
reading the music.

The denominator is less important. You generally use the numerator when counting off
to start a song. And will refer to a song as being in 6, 9, 11. The length of the measure
is much more important than what kind of note represents one count.

A measure is also refered to as a bar, as in a 12 bar blues.

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 03:40 PM
Think of it as the beat of the music...just count the beat. If it's 4/4 time it goes like this: 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4

or, if it's 3/4 time it'll go like this: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3

etc. etc.



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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 03:52 PM
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John, you're clearly an experienced player, but if you're self-taught like me w/ no professional lessons, is it imperative to understand this sort of thing to be able to play right?

That was a fancy way to say, "I have no clue what the f you just said."


Well, I'm mostly self taught on Guitar (with a little help from my friends)

But I studied classical piano and trombone from grade school through college.

You do need to understand time signatures to READ sheet music.

It can't hurt your playing none to learn it either.

I was taught the basics of time signature and notation in third grade
Its not that hard to follow with a good teacher.

Nothing wrong with being self taught, but sometimes lessons
can give your playing a kick.

I'm using Warren's videos to give my slide playing a kick in the ass
at the moment.

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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 04:00 PM
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John, I'm definitely going to get lessons, cause I feel as though I've peaked, and can't teach myself any more, and there's just so much more I need to learn.


Cool. Good luck Brother. Have fun with it.


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  posted on 10/27/2003 at 09:55 PM
That's funny- a lot of reviewers compare that middle section to Dave Brubeck's Take Five- which is in 5/4, right? It's hardly Take 5 if it's in 6/8.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2003 at 12:33 AM
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That's funny- a lot of reviewers compare that middle section to Dave Brubeck's Take Five- which is in 5/4, right? It's hardly Take 5 if it's in 6/8.


You'd believe a critic?

 

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  posted on 10/28/2003 at 11:59 AM
Where did I say I believed anybody?

 

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  posted on 10/28/2003 at 12:05 PM
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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 10:48 AM
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The drums in Dreams and Desdemona are just about the same, and the drums in Dreams are in a 3/4...



In the Guitar Transcription book Dreams is written in 6/8.

but the Piano book has it in 3/4.

I still agree with the guitar transcription, but both are correctly transcribed.

Feels like 6 to me.

got both books this week. Thanks Kid Glove.

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  posted on 8/9/2004 at 11:12 AM
Well it is in 6/8, but....if you think about it there are 6 eighth notes in 3 beats. So 6/8 is like a really fast 3/4.

 

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