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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 09:37 PM
My home page has a MLK Day story that says King was killed by James Earl Ray.
Ray was found not quilty in a civil trail in Memphis brought by the King family.
The U.S. gov't was convicted of the muder. The news was reported that evening and the media has never mentioned it again. Welcome to "1984, the Reality."

 
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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 09:49 PM
What?! Care to give us some sources for these assertions? I will say a civil trial never decides guilt.
 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 09:52 PM
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Murder is not tried in a civil court. Ray pleaded guilty to the murder forgoing a criminal trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray


James Earl Ray (March 10, 1928–April 23, 1998) confessed to the assassination of American civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on April 4, 1968, in Memphis, Tennessee, and pled guilty in legal proceedings, forgoing a jury trial. A habitual criminal, Ray was sentenced to 99 years in prison. Later he recanted his confession and unsuccessfully tried to gain a trial. He died in prison of hepatitis C.
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There was a posthumously held trial held in Memphis in which the govt was found guilty. I don't know anymore than that except that oit was a real trial. Has all information about it been destroyed?








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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 10:16 PM
All I've found on Google refers to a mock HBO trial held while Ray was living. This was a real govt trial, held posthumously in Memphis. It was reported briefly on the evening network newscasts. Now it appears to be "down the memory hole" as "1984" put it.
 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 10:26 PM
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All I've found on Google refers to a mock HBO trial held while Ray was living. This was a real govt trial, held posthumously in Memphis. It was reported briefly on the evening network newscasts. Now it appears to be "down the memory hole" as "1984" put it.


HBO did a movie on how a trial might have gone. It was fiction. You cannot legally try a person after they have died.


Would that result be reported on the NBC news as a court room verdict? I doubt it.
It was a real trial, the type I don't know and can't seem to find out.

[Edited on 1/19/2010 by lespaul58]

 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 10:35 PM
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All I've found on Google refers to a mock HBO trial held while Ray was living. This was a real govt trial, held posthumously in Memphis. It was reported briefly on the evening network newscasts. Now it appears to be "down the memory hole" as "1984" put it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.

Allegations of conspiracy
Ray's lawyers maintained he was a scapegoat similar to the way that alleged John F. Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald is seen by conspiracy theorists.[129] One of the claims used to support this assertion is that Ray's confession was given under pressure, and he had been threatened with the death penalty.[124][130] Ray was a thief and burglar, but he had no record of committing violent crimes with a weapon.[127]

Those suspecting a conspiracy in the assassination point out the two separate ballistics tests conducted on the Remington Gamemaster recovered by police had neither conclusively proved Ray had been the killer nor that it had even been the murder weapon.[124][131] Moreover, witnesses surrounding King at the moment of his death say the shot came from another location, from behind thick shrubbery near the rooming house – which had been inexplicably cut away in the days following the assassination – and not from the rooming house window.[132]

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In 1997, King's son Dexter Scott King met with Ray, and publicly supported Ray's efforts to obtain a new trial.[133] Two years later, Coretta Scott King, King's widow, along with the rest of King's family, won a wrongful death claim against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators". Jowers claimed to have received $100,000 to arrange King's assassination. The jury of six whites and six blacks found Jowers guilty and that government agencies were party to the assassination.[134] William F. Pepper represented the King family in the trial.[135] King biographer David Garrow disagrees with William F. Pepper's claims that the government killed King.[136] He is supported by author Gerald Posner who has researched and written about the assassination.[137]

In 2000, the United States Department of Justice completed the investigation about Jowers' claims but did not find evidence to support allegations about conspiracy. The investigation report recommended no further investigation unless some new reliable facts are presented.[138] The New York Times reported a church minister, Rev. Ronald Denton Wilson, claimed his father, Henry Clay Wilson—not James Earl Ray—assassinated Martin Luther King, Jr. He stated, "It wasn't a racist thing; he thought Martin Luther King was connected with communism, and he wanted to get him out of the way."[139]

King's friend and colleague, James Bevel, disputed the argument that Ray acted alone, stating, "There is no way a ten-cent white boy could develop a plan to kill a million-dollar black man."[140] In 2004, Jesse Jackson, who was with King at the time of his death, noted:

The fact is there were saboteurs to disrupt the march. And within our own organization, we found a very key person who was on the government payroll. So infiltration within, saboteurs from without and the press attacks. …I will never believe that James Earl Ray had the motive, the money and the mobility to have done it himself. Our government was very involved in setting the stage for and I think the escape route for James Earl Ray.[141]

 

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All I've found on Google refers to a mock HBO trial held while Ray was living. This was a real govt trial, held posthumously in Memphis. It was reported briefly on the evening network newscasts. Now it appears to be "down the memory hole" as "1984" put it.


HBO did a movie on how a trial might have gone. It was fiction. You cannot legally try a person after they have died.


Would that result be reported on the NBC news as a court room verdict? I doubt it.



Let's see a link. So far you can't find anything, I can't find anything, but you know it is true. Once again, you can't try a dead person because he cannot defend himself. I'd give you some examples of that, but you would probably start calling them government conspiracies.


The only links I can find refer to the HBO show. I don't know if Ray was on trial or what the details are. I watched it on Court TV and it was reported on the NETWORK news. I saw that to. I was watching to see if they'd report it. I don't know the year but it was shortly afdter Ray died. The govt was found guilty. A bar owner testified that there was an army platoon on the roof of his building all day.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 10:53 PM
J Edgar Hoover wanted King dead, he tried to blackmail him into committing suicide by sending sex tapes to his wife.

that failed, so the assassination of King was planned.

Loyd Jowers got $100,000 to plan it. James Earl Ray was the patsy.

The King Family sued Jowers and won in Civil Court.

Ray was pressured into a confession, which he later recanted.

There is no doubt in my mind that Hoover had King Killed.

He was obsessed that King was working for the World Wide Communists conspiracy

even while wearing woman's clothing.



 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 10:55 PM
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...even while wearing woman's clothing.
JE was such a paranoid, twisted freak.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 11:02 PM
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J Edgar Hoover wanted King dead, he tried to blackmail him into committing suicide by sending sex tapes to his wife.

that failed, so the assassination of King was planned.

Loyd Jowers got $100,000 to plan it. James Earl Ray was the patsy.

The King Family sued Jowers and won in Civil Court.

Ray was pressured into a confession, which he later recanted.

There is no doubt in my mind that Hoover had King Killed.

He was obsessed that King was working for the World Wide Communists conspiracy

even while wearing woman's clothing.






Maybe that's the trial I watched. Thanks. It's on Wik. Otie.

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 11:11 PM
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You guys need to learn the difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial. You also need to learn that after pleading guilty to a crime and being sentenced, the presumption of innocent goes away. To recant and get a new trial, you have to produce evidence of innocence, something Ray could not do.


Still the trial found him not guilty. It was a legal proceeding. It should count for something. Do you think it's right for the media to ignore the verdict?

 

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You guys need to learn the difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial. You also need to learn that after pleading guilty to a crime and being sentenced, the presumption of innocent goes away. To recant and get a new trial, you have to produce evidence of innocence, something Ray could not do.


Still the trial found him not guilty. It was a legal proceeding. It should count for something. Do you think it's right for the media to ignore the verdict?


Let me try this again.

James Earl Ray was never tried for the murder of Martin Luther King. A civil trial does not determine guilt for a crime. He pleaded guilty, went to prison and died. On the books, he is guilty of the murder of King.


But since it's a political killing should the media ignore a court finding of such magnitude?

 

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You guys need to learn the difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial. You also need to learn that after pleading guilty to a crime and being sentenced, the presumption of innocent goes away. To recant and get a new trial, you have to produce evidence of innocence, something Ray could not do.


Damn those pesky facts.

Wasn't that a bush quote?

This is: "The fact that (Gore) relies on facts - says things that are not factual - are going to undermine his campaign." George W Bush, New York Times 4th March 2000


 

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  posted on 1/18/2010 at 11:24 PM
I guess this means that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy and the government planned his murder like we thought all along?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 12:00 AM
I still don't understand what's trying to be said here. Someone admitted to the crime and went to prison, someone else was sued in a civil trial and was found to be culpable.....so, what exactly should the media be reporting? As I said....if we're going to do that, let's go back to Oswald....now there was a real conspiracy.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 01:44 AM
Who ordered the initial wire taps on Michael King?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 04:02 AM
Don't tell me your going to bring RFK into this. Wiretapping and assassination are two quite different things IMO. Who is Micheal King anyway?

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 08:29 AM
BTW, I would use great caution using Wikipedia as any serious source. It's easily manipulated. Not an unadulterated source of fact by any means.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 08:46 AM
It was aliens. Area 51 has the proof. Mark it down.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 08:47 AM
United States Attorney General Robert F Kennedy issued the wiretap on Michael King (alias Martin Luther) reason un-American activity and numerous visits to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 09:06 AM
Based on the previews, you guys shouldn't watch Bones this week.......

 

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Let me try this again.

James Earl Ray was never tried for the murder of Martin Luther King. A civil trial does not determine guilt for a crime. He pleaded guilty, went to prison and died. On the books, he is guilty of the murder of King.


on the books yes

lots of innocent folks get convicted and go to jail, He was not a smart man and
was pressured into confessing with threats of the electric chair

I think the King Family civil trial against Jowers casts even more doubt of his guilt,more than Ray's recanting his confession.

add to that Hoover's obsession, the fact that the ballistics from his weapon don't match.

Plenty of reasonable doubt in my mind.

 

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Let me try this again.

James Earl Ray was never tried for the murder of Martin Luther King. A civil trial does not determine guilt for a crime. He pleaded guilty, went to prison and died. On the books, he is guilty of the murder of King.


on the books yes

lots of innocent folks get convicted and go to jail, He was not a smart man and
was pressured into confessing with threats of the electric chair

I think the King Family civil trial against Jowers casts even more doubt of his guilt,more than Ray's recanting his confession.

add to that Hoover's obsession, the fact that the ballistics from his weapon don't match.

Plenty of reasonable doubt in my mind.




Let's try this one more time. He pleaded guilty. He tried to recant but had no evidence to overturn his plea. The gun used was traced to him. You are right. he wasn't smart. But he is guilty, by both the evidence and his own word.


No

The ballistics from the gun did not match.

his word was recanted. There was not much evidence other than his confession.

he was a patsy.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 01:03 PM
The fact that Jowers confessed to setting up the killing combined with Ray's recanting of his confession
should have gotten him a new trial IMO

but The Justice Dept didn't want to open that can of worms.


 

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  posted on 1/19/2010 at 01:14 PM
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The fact that Jowers confessed to setting up the killing combined with Ray's recanting of his confession should have gotten him a new trial IMO


That's not even close to enough for getting a new trial.

 

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